Your Preferred Solution to the Crimean Crisis?

[Barrister]

Because I'm trying to make it a quid pro quo - give Russia some incentive to withdraw.  And Yuschenko did sign a lease extension and we should stand for the principle that countries should live up to their agreements (like the Budapest Treaty).

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have some Ukranian roots?

I feel for you.

I must admit when all this started, I started reading up on the whole Ukraine-Russia thing.
Yuschenko and whoever else that seems to have held political power are basically backed by some oligarchs, and the common man as per usual is shafted with little or no lube. It certainly makes the EU look like a paragon of democratic virtue.

Don't put much sympathy for me.  I have always identified and celebrated my Ukrainian heritage, but I'm 5th generation Canadian.  I wasn't one of the ones fighting and dying at Independence Square.

I used to have a big Ukrainian flag up on my wall in my room in the late 80s/early 90s.  When they declared independence in 1991 I rigged up a flagpole to hang outside in celebration.  Unfortunately, little has gone right  with the country since then.  Even the Orange Revolution, which had so much hope, fizzled out.

I hope this does launch a rebirth for the country, since after all Ukraine is Not Yet Dead (the name of the national anthem).  But obviously Putin very much hopes it isn't, and is doing what he can to prevent it.

[Beenherebefore]

Don't put much sympathy for me.  I have always identified and celebrated my Ukrainian heritage, but I'm 5th generation Canadian.  I wasn't one of the ones fighting and dying at Independence Square.

I used to have a big Ukrainian flag up on my wall in my room in the late 80s/early 90s.  When they declared independence in 1991 I rigged up a flagpole to hang outside in celebration.  Unfortunately, little has gone right  with the country since then.  Even the Orange Revolution, which had so much hope, fizzled out.

I hope this does launch a rebirth for the country, since after all Ukraine is Not Yet Dead (the name of the national anthem).  But obviously Putin very much hopes it isn't, and is doing what he can to prevent it.

A lot of the former Soviet republics have basically experienced more assraping after 1991. This time it's "Anal Creampies 56 - Family Matters".

[Valmy]

but I'm 5th generation Canadian.

Damn.  When did you ancestors immigrate?  1870?

[Barrister]

but I'm 5th generation Canadian.

Damn.  When did you ancestors immigrate?  1870?

1900 or so.

[Admiral Yi]

Did they all marry at age 12?

[crazy canuck]

but I'm 5th generation Canadian.

Damn.  When did you ancestors immigrate?  1870?

1900 or so.

That is more like 3rd generation  - 4th at the outside.

[Barrister]

Perhaps I'm mistaken on either count.  I don't have a detailed genealogy or history on my dad's side.

[Savonarola]

but I'm 5th generation Canadian.

Damn.  When did you ancestors immigrate?  1870?

1900 or so.

That is more like 3rd generation  - 4th at the outside.

It could easily be the fifth:

Great Great Grandfather Barrister Boy emigrates to Canada in 1900 at age 25 the first generation
Great Grandfather Barrister Boy is born the year of his parents arrival the second
Grandfather Barrister Boy is born in 1925, the third generation
Father Barrister Boy is born in 1950, the fourth generation
Barrister Boy is born in 1975 the fifth.

[The Brain]

Trashy.

[Barrister]

I'm definitely 4th generation - my grandparents were born in Canada.

Plus, immigration from Ukraine to the prairies started as early as 1891.

[Admiral Yi]

It could easily be the fifth:

Great Great Grandfather Barrister Boy emigrates to Canada in 1900 at age 25 the first generation
Great Grandfather Barrister Boy is born the year of his parents arrival the second
Grandfather Barrister Boy is born in 1925, the third generation
Father Barrister Boy is born in 1950, the fourth generation
Barrister Boy is born in 1975 the fifth.

Not easily.  It would require that every generation of Beeb's ancestors produced the next generation by age 25.

[Barrister]

It could easily be the fifth:

Great Great Grandfather Barrister Boy emigrates to Canada in 1900 at age 25 the first generation
Great Grandfather Barrister Boy is born the year of his parents arrival the second
Grandfather Barrister Boy is born in 1925, the third generation
Father Barrister Boy is born in 1950, the fourth generation
Barrister Boy is born in 1975 the fifth.

Not easily.  It would require that every generation of Beeb's ancestors produced the next generation by age 25.

We're talking about poor ukrainian immigrants in the early 20th century.  My dad did have me when he was 26, and he took the crazy step of going out and getting a college diploma first.  Plus, I think my dad's family was ukrainian catholic, so maybe no rubbers.  My dad had 4 siblings before my grandmother died (and as I mentioned, another half sibling as a wartime love child).

[Savonarola]

It could easily be the fifth:

Great Great Grandfather Barrister Boy emigrates to Canada in 1900 at age 25 the first generation
Great Grandfather Barrister Boy is born the year of his parents arrival the second
Grandfather Barrister Boy is born in 1925, the third generation
Father Barrister Boy is born in 1950, the fourth generation
Barrister Boy is born in 1975 the fifth.

Not easily.  It would require that every generation of Beeb's ancestors produced the next generation by age 25.

No, it necessitates that the mean age of reproduction was 25.  If Grandfather Barrister Boy was born when his father was 18, he could have been 32 when Father Barrister Boy was born.

[Beenherebefore]

This has been helpful to the Ukrainians yearning for liberty.

Mind you, they're 67th generation Ukrainians.

[Admiral Yi]

No, it necessitates that the mean age of reproduction was 25.  If Grandfather Barrister Boy was born when his father was 18, he could have been 32 when Father Barrister Boy was born.

Kay.