Butthurt guy whines about Canada's warship names

[PDH]

You'll notice I purposely started out limiting my discussion to the Great Plains.  I know things were different in Colorado, Utah, and the Pacific Northwest.

And you are defining the Great Plains as Wyoming and Montana, Western Nebraska and the Western Dakotas?  Really that limits things a bit...

[Admiral Yi]

I'm defining the Great Plains by both the presence of untillable prairie grass and the orbit of the horse-riding, buffalo hunting Plains tribes.

[PDH]

I'm defining this evening as beer drinking starting....now!

[sbr]

 

[The Brain]

I'm defining this evening as beer drinking starting....now!

Yi went to great plains to explain this to you. Don't be an ass.

[viper37]

I am so tired of naming ships lame garbage like some US politician or some Canadian pansy.  We have ships finally named after goddamn battles we should be grateful.

HMCS Justin Trudeau.
HMCS Gilles Duceppe.

Cool names, I think.   

[Malthus]

I guess we'll never know, since the US lost a number of battles and thus was unable to win the war.  Because of this, a Canadian guys would write 200 years later that Americans shouldn't be butthurt over the naming of Canadian ships after these battles, even though no Americans seem to be raging about that.  Ultimately, the War of 1812 will primarily be remembered by Canadians as the deliverance that allows us socialized medicine, and by the Americans not at all, except for people who are like to argue that they didn't really lose.

Neil nails it.

The Americans--well, the 1 in 1000 who actually know anything about the war of 1812 - are just mad at the Brit/Canuck side for giving back Detroit. 

[grumbler]

I guess we'll never know, since the US lost a number of battles and thus was unable to win the war.  Because of this, a Canadian guys would write 200 years later that Americans shouldn't be butthurt over the naming of Canadian ships after these battles, even though no Americans seem to be raging about that.  Ultimately, the War of 1812 will primarily be remembered by Canadians as the deliverance that allows us socialized medicine, and by the Americans not at all, except for people who are like to argue that they didn't really lose.

Neil nails it.

The Americans--well, the 1 in 1000 who actually know anything about the war of 1812 - are just mad at the Brit/Canuck side for giving back Detroit. 

Yep.  The only real outcome of the war was to allow Canadians to delude themselves that they "won a war" against the US, and so could thus claim to be a nation.  The fact that the nation is based on a lie doesn't make it less a nation (see: the US), and if the Canadians want to believe the lie that the US lost the war, I say they are welcome to their national myths.  No one else really cares, and they care a lot, so let it be so.

[Malthus]

I guess we'll never know, since the US lost a number of battles and thus was unable to win the war.  Because of this, a Canadian guys would write 200 years later that Americans shouldn't be butthurt over the naming of Canadian ships after these battles, even though no Americans seem to be raging about that.  Ultimately, the War of 1812 will primarily be remembered by Canadians as the deliverance that allows us socialized medicine, and by the Americans not at all, except for people who are like to argue that they didn't really lose.

Neil nails it.

The Americans--well, the 1 in 1000 who actually know anything about the war of 1812 - are just mad at the Brit/Canuck side for giving back Detroit. 

Yep.  The only real outcome of the war was to allow Canadians to delude themselves that they "won a war" against the US, and so could thus claim to be a nation.  The fact that the nation is based on a lie doesn't make it less a nation (see: the US), and if the Canadians want to believe the lie that the US lost the war, I say they are welcome to their national myths.  No one else really cares, and they care a lot, so let it be so.

Sooo ... I take it you agree about Detroit? 

[crazy canuck]

I guess we'll never know, since the US lost a number of battles and thus was unable to win the war.  Because of this, a Canadian guys would write 200 years later that Americans shouldn't be butthurt over the naming of Canadian ships after these battles, even though no Americans seem to be raging about that.  Ultimately, the War of 1812 will primarily be remembered by Canadians as the deliverance that allows us socialized medicine, and by the Americans not at all, except for people who are like to argue that they didn't really lose.

Neil nails it.

The Americans--well, the 1 in 1000 who actually know anything about the war of 1812 - are just mad at the Brit/Canuck side for giving back Detroit. 

Yep.  The only real outcome of the war was to allow Canadians to delude themselves that they "won a war" against the US, and so could thus claim to be a nation.  The fact that the nation is based on a lie doesn't make it less a nation (see: the US), and if the Canadians want to believe the lie that the US lost the war, I say they are welcome to their national myths.  No one else really cares, and they care a lot, so let it be so.

I dont really care that you dont understand the signficance of the war of 1812.  As Malthus stated, most Americans dont.  But despite your lack of understanding and your dripping sarcasm you are somewhat close to the truth.  Canadians do not believe they won a war against the US.  We do, however, believe that the war was signficant to the later formation of Canada for a couple of reasons.

First, if the Americans had succeeded with their planned invasion there might not have been a Canada  - at least in the form we now know it.  It may well have been restricted to Maritime provinces to protect the main thing the British really cared about, their naval base at Halifax.

Second, the spectre of the American threat was later used as an argument for the formation of Canada to better fend off the barbarians.  Variants of the American threat argument are used to this day.  Although we dont worry too much about a military threat we do constantly remind ourselves that we want to be like Americans.  Health care is a good example.  The biggest insult one Canadian can give to another Canadian is that they want American style X. 

[Jacob]

It's a good thing no nations were conquered on the way to the Pacific.

There's a big distinction between "winning" the West and "conquering" it. The distinction may be lost on the various nations that inhabited the territory prior to it being won, but that's an insignificant detail.

[Sophie Scholl]

Have any of the Canadians read 1812: War with America?  I found it quite interesting and a welcome change to the usual American narrative of things.  http://www.amazon.com/1812-War-America-Jon-Latimer/dp/0674034775/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388742162&sr=8-1&keywords=1812+war+with+america

[Brazen]

After a few too many complimentary refreshments at a press reception, I once asked a Royal Navy Commodore why all our destroyers had such gay names. It was before I became a defence specialist, I hasten to add! And they really don't, except that the Admiral Duncan is a famous gay pub in Soho notoriously targeted by a nail bomber in 1999.

[Malthus]

Have any of the Canadians read 1812: War with America?  I found it quite interesting and a welcome change to the usual American narrative of things.  http://www.amazon.com/1812-War-America-Jon-Latimer/dp/0674034775/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388742162&sr=8-1&keywords=1812+war+with+america

I haven't read it, but it looks interesting.

The usual US/Canuck trolling aside, it's an interesting conflict which, in spite of the local connections here, isn't well studied or understood.

[garbon]

What parts do you think need more clarity?