Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Jacob]

That's totally awesome.

I know

[derspiess]

Never heard Putin pronounced that way before. That other one was feistier and prettier.

I think that comes some regional (northeast US?) dialect.  I know a girl from Rochester, NY who does that whenever there's a "t" in the middle of a word like that-- she has a cousin who lives in "Day'in" (Dayton).  Also heard it from people who were from Pennsylvania.

[derspiess]

That's totally awesome.

I know

Almost sounds too good to be true.

[Liep]

That's totally awesome.

I know

See if you can find Per Dalgårds "Putin og Ruslands ukontrollable demokrati", it's good and positive reading (in that he concludes Putin won't win the next election, either by losing or unrest making him step down).

[Admiral Yi]

I think that comes some regional (northeast US?) dialect.  I know a girl from Rochester, NY who does that whenever there's a "t" in the middle of a word like that-- she has a cousin who lives in "Day'in" (Dayton).  Also heard it from people who were from Pennsylvania.

I was thinking Long Island or Jersey, but you're closer to the action.

I've definitely heard it before.

[DGuller]

RT anchor quits during live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg

I was actually just thinking yesterday about American journalists working for RT.  Surely they would have to realize that even if they're the most amoral human beings, that they're still signing death warrants for their careers by working for a foreign-owned propaganda channel, and disseminating obvious lies.

[Jacob]

That's totally awesome.

I know

Almost sounds too good to be true.

Yeah, it does. But it seems a wacky thing to just make up, so I chose to tentatively believe it until I'm shown evidence to the contrary.

[Queequeg]

TBH the upside of Russians having paternalistic feelings for you is that I don't think a lot of Russians gleefully want to kill Ukrainians in the same way they might want to kill Chechens or, um, possibly, Crimean Tatars.  Even the worst Russian nationalist would probably prefer to save their Slavic brothers from Popery, Sodomy and Democracy. 

[Viking]

Actually Puff, I think the moral equivalency argument rests on the assumption that judgement is subjective, and if your counterparties have engaged in a similar act in the past, they have in effect passed positive judgement on it.

The failing of the moral equivalency argument in this particular case is that nothing bad was being done to the residents of Crimea, or Russian speakers anywhere in Ukraine.  Or anyone at all for that matter.

That's beside the point. The moral equivalency defense isn't a defense or a justification of the position the apologist is supporting. It's not even an argument that the supposedly immoral or wrong act should be considered moral or right. It always boils down to the assertion that "since X did this I should be able to do it too".

[derspiess]

Lol delusional much?

[Admiral Yi]

That's beside the point. The moral equivalency defense isn't a defense or a justification of the position the apologist is supporting. It's not even an argument that the supposedly immoral or wrong act should be considered moral or right. It always boils down to the assertion that "since X did this I should be able to do it too".

Well sure.  But as I pointed out in my previous post, there is some logic to it.

[Queequeg]

Lol delusional much?

LOL.  Moldova, too.

[garbon]

RT anchor quits during live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg

Pretty cool. Hope she can avoid a mysterious polonium poisoning.

Would they waste time on a minor reporter in the US?

[Viking]

RT anchor quits during live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg

Pretty cool. Hope she can avoid a mysterious polonium poisoning.

Would they waste time on a minor reporter in the US?

This was probably he job application for a job with a non-propaganda outfit... or fox...

[Siege]

Right now you want to focus on giving them simple tools that have an immediate impact.  Russian designed AA and AT is crap compared to what we have.  Russian designed AT and AA make it slightly more risky for Russian helicopters and tanks to operate.  Ours make it suicidal for them to operate.  That's a huge difference in capability.

Quite right. The Javelin can take out any armored vehicle within (is the max range classified?) x meters. It comes with a BST (basic skills trainer), a FTT (field tactical trainer), and a MSR (missile simulation round). Training Ukrainians to use it will be easy. I learned in one day, and I am not very intelligent. So easy a caveman can do it.


On the other hand, if we give them TOWs (tube-launched, optically-tracked, wire-guided) we can give them a relatively old technology, with the old TAS (tactical acquisition system) instead of the new ITAS (improved). It have a degraded performance compared to our newer stuff, but it is very effective against Russian tanks. We need to get rid of all the old crap anyway, since we got now the wireless TOWs. I mean, we can always shoot the wire-guided ones in training, but if we need to give something to the Ukrainians to stop the evil empire, lets give them TOWs instead of javelins.