Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Caliga]

It's not a legitimate claim if you gave it away.

I think there is.  It was given away by Soviet Union, not Mother Russia!

[alfred russel]

Did not Russia pull the exact same shit with Kosovo? They landed paratroopers at the airport there, didn't they? And basically the way to deal with them was to ignore them and bomb the shit out of Serbia regardless?

General Clark had another way to deal with them. I'd call his plan Operation Jack Ripper. Like in the movie it was undone by a British officer.

[Valmy]

So Ukraine was dumb for giving up its huge nuke arsenal in exchange for the guarantee?  That won't play well with the opponents of nuclear proliferation.

It is not that simple.  Some sort of deal will be worked out.  We are not going to drop in the Marines to hold every inch of Ukrainian soil is all I am saying.

[alfred russel]

So Ukraine was dumb for giving up its huge nuke arsenal in exchange for the guarantee?  That won't play well with the opponents of nuclear proliferation.

I guess we need to go to war with Russia then. Not only will that boost the cause of nuclear non proliferation, but if our first strike is successful, we will actually roll back Russia as a nuclear power.

[Ed Anger]

Still working on my RV for the post nuclear American roads.

[PJL]

Looks like things are shaping up for another Crimean war, with outside powers getting involved, again!   

We're not going to get involved, unless Russian armies threaten Constantinople again...

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Just your average militia type there.  Your common Crimean probably has all that kit just lying around the house.

An AK-74M with Picatinny rails and a red/green dot sight?

[derspiess]

Just your average militia type there.  Your common Crimean probably has all that kit just lying around the house.

An AK-74M with Picatinny rails and a red/green dot sight?

I was kidding.  He's obviously Russian armed forces.

[Neil]

Let's say the worst happens, some radio station in Russia gets attacked, and Russia responds militarily.  What are the odds that US and Britain will go back on their 1994 treaty to guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine?

We are not going to seriously oppose Russians, beyond our compulsive need to piss them off as much as possible.  At the end of the day the Russians still have nukes.  The Ukraine should not be counting on NATO troops to die for them.

So Ukraine was dumb for giving up its huge nuke arsenal in exchange for the guarantee?  That won't play well with the opponents of nuclear proliferation.

The opponents of nuclear proliferation are living in a dream land.  The simple fact of the matter is that the western nuclear powers will do absolutely nothing for anybody who is going to be invaded by China and Russia.  The only solution for places like the Ukraine or Japan is to build nuclear weapons.

[Razgovory]

It's not a legitimate claim if you gave it away.

I think there is.  It was given away by Soviet Union, not Mother Russia!

Actually it was given away by the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

[Tamas]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10668357/Russia-admits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html


"to protect the Black Sea fleet"

[Valmy]

That makes no sense...they have a perfectly fine base they could have troops defending their Black Sea Fleet with.  Probably setting up to seize the province if it comes to that, the airport would be an important piece of infrastructure to control in that context.

[derspiess]

From what I've read, Russia is still not owning up to their airport shenanigans.

[Razgovory]

Looks like the Russians came after all.

[crazy canuck]

The West is going to have to make a decision about this fairly quickly I would think