Social Security and ACA

[Ideologue]

Of course, the Democratic candidates can still count on my vote in November.

[Admiral Yi]

   Yeah, the kind of socialism where the other pays is a lot more fun.

[Ideologue]

Socialism is a lot more palatable when the people being redistributed from have their basic needs met first.

[CountDeMoney]

Looked it up.  It's greater.  And, yes, actually, 1% of my income is no joke.  That's like $350-500.  That's like half a week's work.  For what?  I didn't even get anything out of it; I just helped pay for fucking Boomers' Viagra and cancer medications.

And my nieces will help pay for your Reese's Peanut Butter Diabetes, so it's a push, Captain Nutrition.

[Ideologue]

I really haven't eaten a Reese's cup in like three or four months.

Been a lot of ramen lately, actually.  Turns out it's kind of delicious.

[Ideologue]

Well, also a lot of chocolate chip cookies.  If I'm being honest, although I have no idea why I'd do that.

Specifically, I have no idea why I'd do that on the insurance forms that ask if I'm a smoker.  I assume they test for that?

[CountDeMoney]

I don't want to hear you bitch about having to pitch in to help cover somebody else's health, when somebody's going to have to be on the hook when your shitty ass single guy diet catches up to you.

It's about the social contract, so then how about getting with the program and jump on the team and come on in for the big win, bitch.

[Ideologue]

CdM had a job, job-provided insurance, a house and an Asian woman in his crawlspace for like twenty-five years, and now he wants me to pay for his dotage.  Right, I'm way selfish.

[CountDeMoney]

Mind your elders, whippersnapper.

[Ideologue]

Don't trust anyone over 30 40.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm still really, really worried about being able to afford the mandated insurance and/or the penalty.  It's such fucking bullshit.

What say you to that, Joan, you party hack?

Don't complain to me, I wanted single payer like everyone else in the OECD.

[Ideologue]

N.B. the "party hack" thing is just a joke I've been using lately.

[alfred russel]

I posted (in more condensed form) similar thoughts as a response to Valmy's thoughts that the obamacare was a failure.

The theoretical beauty is that the guy with cancer will vigorously support Obamacare as he will understand he needs it, but the younger healthy guy may not realize the system is making him pay more (he may want affordable insurance, but if you aren't an actuary it is hard to know how affordable it can be).

[alfred russel]

You can look at that as a transfer from the young and healthy to the old and sick, or you can look at as a forward payment - everyone who is currently young and healthy is hoping to reach old and in need of more medical care.

Actually, that isn't so valid, imo. Medicare already exists--if you reach old age in good health, you were already going to be covered. If we confine this to the effects of the ACA, high risk population groups are more likely to win, and low risk population groups lose.

[Maximus]

I don't want to hear you bitch about having to pitch in to help cover somebody else's health, when somebody's going to have to be on the hook when your shitty ass single guy diet catches up to you.

It's about the social contract, so then how about getting with the program and jump on the team and come on in for the big win, bitch.

Not to mention the smoking.