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What will China look like in 30 years?

Started by Queequeg, November 16, 2013, 02:02:06 PM

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What will the People's Republic of China look like in 30 years?

Glass, Precambrian-level microbe activity flourishing despite background radiation (Neil and CDM option).
4 (11.8%)
Neo-Maoist hellhole, Bo Xilai style.
1 (2.9%)
Splintered, competing, independent or semi-independent states and factions.
1 (2.9%)
Similar, CPC dominated, but deep in to middle-income trap.  Declining growth, elite capture of wealth.
12 (35.3%)
Similar, CPC dominated.  Continued growth, instability, Communist Party dominance.
4 (11.8%)
Similar, CPC dominated but more Singapore-ish.  Increasing role of inclusive institutions, relative political liberalism.
5 (14.7%)
End of one-party rule, union with Taiwan, continued growth and prosperity and something resembling Liberal Democracy.
1 (2.9%)
Full-on Liberal Democracy, autonomy for ethnic enclaves, massive Environmental clean-up, lions and lambs partying together.
0 (0%)
Massive China-dominated East Asia Empire, not recognizably authoritarian, basically Yellow Peril nightmare bullshit.
5 (14.7%)
Other
0 (0%)
Jaron
1 (2.9%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Josquius

Its in for a rough patch with its population troubles, it will get old before it gets rich.
The CCP breaking their promise to make people rich could mean their downfall. Doubt it'll be to be replaced by a lovely democracy however. Russia looks most likely.
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CountDeMoney

China's going to have much bigger problems than what the CCP  or their artificial  economy will look like.

Quote"...China will face a growing number of young men who will never marry due to the country's one-child policy, which has resulted in a reported birth ratio of almost 120 boys for every 100 girls...By 2030, projections suggest that more than 25% of Chinese men in their late 30s will never have married. The coming marriage squeeze will likely be even more acute in the Chinese countryside, since the poor, uneducated and rural population will be more likely to lose out in the competition for brides."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-problem-of-too-many-single-men/

China has a long and extremely bloody history of violent and prolonged peasant revolts and civil wars over the centuries that have fundamentally affected dynastic politics, some of which were predicated by droughts, floods and other natural disasters. 

You think the Yuan and Ming dynasties had problems with civil wars over natural disasters?  Just wait until you have a shitload of peasants that can't find a date.

Ed Anger

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Josquius

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 16, 2013, 09:13:45 PM

You think the Yuan and Ming dynasties had problems with civil wars over natural disasters?  Just wait until you have a shitload of peasants that can't find a date.

I don't think it'll go that far. Its already a big problem for poor men from the countryside to find someone. The crime rate is higher as a result but generally they just mope on with their lives and keep trying.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Tyr on November 16, 2013, 09:20:21 PM
I don't think it'll go that far. Its already a big problem for poor men from the countryside to find someone. The crime rate is higher as a result but generally they just mope on with their lives and keep trying.

The same can be said for rubes in Kansas, but never underestimate the impact not getting laid can do for a society, particularly in the numbers they're projecting, please see: Islam, lack of coed ice cream socials in

Camerus

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 16, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
China's going to have much bigger problems than what the CCP  or their artificial  economy will look like.

Quote"...China will face a growing number of young men who will never marry due to the country's one-child policy, which has resulted in a reported birth ratio of almost 120 boys for every 100 girls...By 2030, projections suggest that more than 25% of Chinese men in their late 30s will never have married. The coming marriage squeeze will likely be even more acute in the Chinese countryside, since the poor, uneducated and rural population will be more likely to lose out in the competition for brides."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-problem-of-too-many-single-men/

China has a long and extremely bloody history of violent and prolonged peasant revolts and civil wars over the centuries that have fundamentally affected dynastic politics, some of which were predicated by droughts, floods and other natural disasters. 

You think the Yuan and Ming dynasties had problems with civil wars over natural disasters?  Just wait until you have a shitload of peasants that can't find a date.

It may not be as bad as all that.  There are tons of undocumented girls born in the countryside, and there are whores everywhere in the cities.

CountDeMoney

I really wish you people would stop pissing on my Chinapocalypse parade.

fhdz

I saw in the paper today that China is reversing its 1-child policy and closing down "re-education" labor camps.
and the horse you rode in on

CountDeMoney


Phillip V

Fertile women from other other countries can be imported.

CountDeMoney

Oh yeah, because Chinese history has so many great episodes of ethnic harmony.

Camerus

#26
Honestly, the one child policy is a bit of a myth anyway.  There are so many exceptions and ways to get around it (including paying a pretty insignificant fine).  I've met tons of people born after '81 with siblings, including one girl who has 8 of them.   :lol:

Ideologue

The worst thing about it is that it's destroying the only thing the PRC offers the world other than depressed wages and despair, which is the phenotype of its women.
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Jacob

Coasting along with option 4, a thoroughly corrupt steady state basically; though 30 years being quite a while there is always the possibility of some sort of calamity throwing things off track. I'd say the most likely potential causes of triggering an actual breakdown are:

1 - a power transition getting out of hand with two powerful cliques at odds and refusing to back down.

2 - some sort of foreign policy miscalculation spiraling out of control. It could be over some stupid island, North Korea, a terrorist attack, Taiwan, or something else; but it'd be some sort of tough foreign policy stance for domestic consumption triggering a cycle of nationalist driven escalation.

3 - any kind of domestic grievance trigging the popular imagination; there are so many. Maybe the various security services can keep a lid on things the next thirty years, but it's far from given.

... of course, it could even be a combination of things. But if nothing like that happens, option 4.

Jacob

Quote from: Ideologue on November 16, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
The worst thing about it is that it's destroying the only thing the PRC offers the world other than depressed wages and despair, which is the phenotype of its women.

There are plenty of them left, don't worry.

Apparently Vietnam has way more women than men. You should look into that.