How long should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get behind bars?

Started by merithyn, July 10, 2013, 02:40:01 PM

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Assuming he's found guilty *coughs*, how long should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get?

American - Death penalty
American - Life w/o parole
American - Life with possibility of parole
American - > 30 years, but not life
American - < 30 years
ROTW - Death penalty
ROTW - Life w/o parole
ROTW - Life with possibility of parole
ROTW - > 30 years, but not life
ROTW - < 30 years
Other - Share with the class, please
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Razgovory

#60
July 10, 2013, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2013, 10:09:36 PM
My problem with Life w/o parole is that it could change 30 years from now.

Also, if western society collapse, he might become free and organize a militia in Montana called CUT - Church Universal and Triumphant and conquer Idaho and the Dakotas. His militiamen could will be the best heavy cavalry in the plains charging screaming "Cut, Cut, Cut!"

So could the Death penalty.  We outlawed the death penalty once and everyone on death row was put in for life w/o parole.  When the Death penalty was reinstated those people who previously had a death sentence and were now in for life were not put back on death row.
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Siege

#61
July 10, 2013, 10:46:19 PM
Nobody got the reference form the S.M. Stirling series, The Change.



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#62
July 10, 2013, 11:28:10 PM
ROTW - life w.o. parole. Because he deliberately tried to murder random civilians for the purpose of harming society. Why not the death penalty? (which I am not against) 1. It is cheaper to keep him in prison for life than it is to execute him. 2. It is a worse punishment which specifically denies him shaheed-hood. 3. It avoids sympathy for murderous terrorist scum. 4. The issue ends there rather than dragging out on appeal. 5. There are worse crimes out there and the death penalty does need to be reserved for the worst of the worst rather than the merely evil; if you execute too often the death penalty loses it's shock value on society and our enemies.
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
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katmai

#63
July 10, 2013, 11:30:44 PM
Lock em up, throw away the key.
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#64
July 10, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Life in front of a firing squad.
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Razgovory

#65
July 10, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2013, 10:46:19 PM
Nobody got the reference form the S.M. Stirling series, The Change.

That's because it was an extremely shitting book.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#66
July 11, 2013, 12:30:03 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2013, 10:09:36 PM
My problem with Life w/o parole is that it could change 30 years from now.

Also, if western society collapse, he might become free and organize a militia in Montana called CUT - Church Universal and Triumphant and conquer Idaho and the Dakotas. His militiamen could will be the best heavy cavalry in the plains charging screaming "Cut, Cut, Cut!"

Unlikely the Montana militiamen will take their orders from a Turk.
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#67
July 11, 2013, 12:43:20 AM
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#68
July 11, 2013, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2013, 05:26:37 PM
Cost of holding multiple appeals.
Actually, I think it might be that the trial itself is so much more expensive if you're seeking death than if you're "just" trying to get life without parole. In this case, though, the trial is probably already going to cost a fortune, so there might not be any real cost-savings to seeking only life without parole.
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#69
July 11, 2013, 06:59:21 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2013, 10:09:36 PM
My problem with Life w/o parole is that it could change 30 years from now.

Also, if western society collapse, he might become free and organize a militia in Montana called CUT - Church Universal and Triumphant and conquer Idaho and the Dakotas. His militiamen could will be the best heavy cavalry in the plains charging screaming "Cut, Cut, Cut!"



He'll be old by then, and cut off from medicine will not survive.
PDH!

CountDeMoney

#70
July 11, 2013, 07:59:36 AM
It's guys like this that give Ted Kaczynski a bad name.

KRonn

#71
July 11, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
Reading the local papers and news this little monster was in court yesterday and there were a number of supporters! Wearing t-shirts with his picture, women fawning over him, or what ever else. They're infatuated with him or something.
Then Some saying there's no evidence! If there was any more evidence the police would have to build another vault to contain it all! One woman quoted in the paper came from Washington State to support him. I guess she's enjoying her vacation or something.
Bunch of hosers supporting this monster. I can't understand that, at, all.

merithyn

#72
July 11, 2013, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: KRonn on July 11, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
Reading the local papers and news this little monster was in court yesterday and there were a number of supporters! Wearing t-shirts with his picture, women fawning over him, or what ever else. They're infatuated with him or something.
Then Some saying there's no evidence! If there was any more evidence the police would have to build another vault to contain it all! One woman quoted in the paper came from Washington State to support him. I guess she's enjoying her vacation or something.
Bunch of hosers supporting this monster. I can't understand that, at, all.

I'd guess that it's denial. It's hard to look at that sweet-looking child and think "monster". I'm having a hard time with it, and I know that he is one. I keep trying to come up with reasons why he would do it that aren't his fault, anything to explain away his decisions.

The facts are, however, that he actively participated in mass murder and terror. Yes, he's young, but not so young as to not understand what his choices were. He deserves to be punished for his crimes no matter how young or how sweet he looks.
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derspiess

#73
July 11, 2013, 09:50:23 AM
Sweet-looking?
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Ed Anger

#74
July 11, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 09:50:23 AM
Sweet-looking?

That messed up hair look makes the ladies swoon.
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