What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

Due process is kinda important.

Masked dudes with no warrants grabbing folks off the street ain't it.

You sure a warrant is needed for deportation?

[Admiral Yi]

I think that applies very well to the Palestinian visa holders who got deported for speech, not at all for this one, unless there's more to this story I'm not aware of.

There's the Newark mayor who was detained by ICE and the Wisconsin judge who was detained and now suspended from her job. There seems to be steady stream of stories of citizens being wrongfully detained, combined with Trumps stated desire to deport million+ people, the stated desire to avoid any kind of due process, and Stephen Miller's on the record statements about suspending Habeas Corpus.

Seems to me it's trending in the wrong direction.

I haven't read up on on Newark mayor.  The Wisconsin judge is guilty as sin.

[Zoupa]

I think that applies very well to the Palestinian visa holders who got deported for speech, not at all for this one, unless there's more to this story I'm not aware of.

There's the Newark mayor who was detained by ICE and the Wisconsin judge who was detained and now suspended from her job. There seems to be steady stream of stories of citizens being wrongfully detained, combined with Trumps stated desire to deport million+ people, the stated desire to avoid any kind of due process, and Stephen Miller's on the record statements about suspending Habeas Corpus.

Seems to me it's trending in the wrong direction.

I haven't read up on on Newark mayor.  The Wisconsin judge is guilty as sin.

The judge (Hannah Dugan) is not "guilty as sin". Minsky had a whole, detailed post on what happened.

[Zoupa]

Due process is kinda important.

Masked dudes with no warrants grabbing folks off the street ain't it.

You sure a warrant is needed for deportation?

They already arrested and deported the wrong folks numerous times. At some point, one of these masked "agents" are going to get shot/killed busting through the wrong door.

Disregarding the morality (and legality) of it all for a moment, these methods are simply stupid and needlessly violent/confrontational.

[Zoupa]

I think that applies very well to the Palestinian visa holders who got deported for speech, not at all for this one, unless there's more to this story I'm not aware of.

There's the Newark mayor who was detained by ICE and the Wisconsin judge who was detained and now suspended from her job. There seems to be steady stream of stories of citizens being wrongfully detained, combined with Trumps stated desire to deport million+ people, the stated desire to avoid any kind of due process, and Stephen Miller's on the record statements about suspending Habeas Corpus.

Seems to me it's trending in the wrong direction.

I haven't read up on on Newark mayor.  The Wisconsin judge is guilty as sin.

Found it. Copy pasting below.

We don't have all the facts, but on the face of it she certainly seemed to be assisting his attempt to evade arrest. It does not make a lot of sense; if they have a warrant, they'll still (and did) arrest him later

The second sentence is correct - it doesn't make a lot of sense.
That's because the there is no evidence the judge attempted to assist an evasion of arrest - based on the government's own affidavit.

A typical urban state courthouse is a busy place during courtroom hours. The courthouse usually has a nice spacious lobby area.  But the upper floor courtrooms - Dugan was on the 6th floor - are usually off of relatively narrow corridors.  According to the government affidavit, ICE sent a team of six agents to camp out in the corridor in front of Judge Dugan's chambers.  Six agents for one man known to be unarmed and not dangerous.

Judge Dugan runs a misdemeanor part, so during court session, her courtroom is likely to be filled with all sorts of people coming in and out - including not only defendants and their lawyers, but witnesses, translators, victims, and family members of all of the above.  All of them come through the public entrance to the courtroom which means that day they all pass by a phalanx of armed ICE agents.  That's a serious concern because - for example - witnesses in criminal cases are sometimes not entirely law abiding citizens themselves, and could easily be scared off by a large law enforcement presence camped out in front of a courtroom.  That explains Judge Dugan's annoyance.

There are two entrances to Judge Dugan's courtroom.  Both enter from the same place - the public corridor.  Both exit out into the same place - the courtroom.  One is the general public entrance; the other is for jurors and leads into the jury room antechamber, which in turn has an egress out into the courtroom.  The reason for two entrances is that so in a jury chamber, jurors will be separate from lawyers and parties as they enter the courtroom. 

According to the government's affidavit, Judge Dugan had Flores-Ruiz exit out the jury exit. There is an obvious reason for her to do that.  She was running an active courtroom and did not want ICE to conduct an arrest right in front of the public entrance where others were coming in and out.  Sending him the jury entrance would mean at least a few yards of separation of the arrest from the public entrance.

The government's claim that she intended to assist evasion by sending out the jury entrance is absurd.  The jury entrance leads out to exactly the same corridor, where the judge knew ICE was waiting.  And indeed, the government affidavit admits the ICE agents saw him going out the door.  It then says an ICE agent got on the elevator with Flores-Ruiz.

If the judge wanted to help Flores-Ruiz evade, she wouldn't have sent out the jury room.  She would have taken him into chambers in the back, because there is usually a private entrance for the judge that does not lead to the public corridor.  She didn't do that.

The only obstruction that happened that day was by a six-man team of ICE agents wasting federal taxpayer money by putting on a show and disrupting business in a state courthouse.  Separation of powers goes two ways.  The judiciary cannot intrude on proper executive functions.  But the executive should not be conducting show piece enforcement operations in state courthouses.