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Started by Barrister, June 21, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 21, 2022, 11:52:53 AMGreenwald as been terrible for a long time. News 11 million years ago.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 22, 2022, 12:35:18 PMI am not sure why anyone is surprised that within large organizations there are bad apples who do not treat everyone as they should. I am also not surprised that left leaning organizations are not immune from this.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2022, 09:16:04 PMI didn't read the opening post, the news story that went with it, or the the following posts; can I still dismiss it?
Quote from: Valmy on June 23, 2022, 08:54:57 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on June 22, 2022, 12:35:18 PMI am not sure why anyone is surprised that within large organizations there are bad apples who do not treat everyone as they should. I am also not surprised that left leaning organizations are not immune from this.Even when it is increasingly systemic across virtually all of them? This kind of dysfunction is fucking the United States huge at a critical time when not only have an opportunity to effect real change but when the right wing is particularly dangerous and powerful. I am really fed up with it, it has been something that has been slowly moving forward for years, and right now it is getting in the way of some of my most cherished issues: reproductive rights, climate change, and energy. We have made so much progress and to see so many of our activist allied organizations ripping themselves apart by infighting is really tiresome. (Well ok the progress is in the climate change and energy parts, not nearly enough but way more than I thought realistic 15 years ago when I started this journey and incredible when you consider the strength of the groups arrayed against us. The reproductive rights situation is a shitshow.)I think I commented on here a decade ago when I had more time for activist about how frustrated I was with feminist groups for reproductive rights issues and environmentalist groups for climate change and energy issues and how shitty they were for allies because they just fought amongst themselves and called each other out constantly and never did anything. We are all trying to take the next step and they are already fighting over the hundredth step and being really theoretical when concrete practical issues were what was needed. And it only seems to have gotten worse since then. If four years of Donald Trump was not enough for people to take shit seriously I don't know what it will take. It is just really frustrating and more so that so many of you just ignore the problem and pretend it isn't there. I mean not that I know what to do about it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 24, 2022, 12:19:20 PMDoes being a left wing party somehow mean that everyone is virtuous and a good manager? Probably not.
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