[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Jacob]

Conservative Party faces significant financial loss after convention voting devices go missing
Pricey keypads were not to be taken home as 'souvenirs': party organizer

Conservative convention organizers are urging delegates who may have walked off with pricey voting devices to return them to the party so it can avoid incurring significant unexpected costs.

In an email to delegates last week that was subsequently shared with CBC News, Wayne Benson, the party's former executive director, said "several" keypads and smart cards that were distributed for votes on policy changes have not been accounted for in the days since the convention in Calgary wrapped up.

"We are seeking your assistance with locating several LUMI Connector Keypads (valued at close to $1,000.00 each) and more than 220 Smart Cards used at the Saturday Plenary Sessions," the email from Benson reads.

Those keypads, which look like an old Blackberry, were used to register yes or no votes on proposed changes to the party's policy playbook, which were carried out live on the convention floor. The smart cards, which resemble a calling card, tracked the province and territory of each registered delegate.

There were roughly 2,700 of each on hand to record votes on dozens of proposed changes.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-voting-devices-missing-9.7081473

[Grey Fox]

Can dead people who would've been able to get Canadian citizenship if they were alive under the current legislation be granted Canadian citizenship retroactively?

The "OMG is this for real" reading seems to imply that if anyone of your direct ancestors were Canadians, then each of the descendants gets posthumous citizenship in turn, creating a domino effect of citizenship.

On the other hand when I read the link Grey Fox shared, the requirement seems to be at minimum that you are a grandchild of a Canadian citizen and that your Canadian descended parent spent at least 3 years in Canada. It says nothing about posthumous citizenship being granted to dead non-Canadian citizens if they would've qualified under the current law.

Presumbably if your great-great grandparent was a Canadian and had a child (your great grandparent) that spent at least 3 years in Canada, that great-grandparent could become a citizen now. But if they're dead then they are not and have never been a Canadian citizen, they're never going to be able to apply for citizenship or take the oath - so the chain of citizenship eligibility would seem to end there.

Yes but all your ancestors should have had citizenship. And the law seems to say they all get granted citizenship if they were born before December 15th 2025.

[crazy canuck]

Sure but the act also adresses the Lost Canadians issue.

Bill C-3 automatically grants citizenship by decent to all those born abroad to a Canadian parent before the coming into force date of the legislation.

https://senate-gro.ca/c3-lost-canadians/

If you were born or adopted before December 15, 2025

Citizenship may have been restored or given to people who were born outside Canada in the second generation or later before December 15, 2025.

This means that in most cases you're automatically a Canadian citizen if you were born

    before December 15, 2025
    outside Canada to a Canadian parent

This rule also applies to you if you were born to someone who became Canadian because of these rule changes.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/act-changes/rules-2025.html

I'm no lawyer & I have to read all this legalese in english but how is this not what we're saying?

Actually, it's exactly what I'm saying. The only detail that is missing from the overview that you have posted is that the Canadian parent must have had a substantial connection with Canada.

I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is

[crazy canuck]

Can dead people who would've been able to get Canadian citizenship if they were alive under the current legislation be granted Canadian citizenship retroactively?

The "OMG is this for real" reading seems to imply that if anyone of your direct ancestors were Canadians, then each of the descendants gets posthumous citizenship in turn, creating a domino effect of citizenship.

On the other hand when I read the link Grey Fox shared, the requirement seems to be at minimum that you are a grandchild of a Canadian citizen and that your Canadian descended parent spent at least 3 years in Canada. It says nothing about posthumous citizenship being granted to dead non-Canadian citizens if they would've qualified under the current law.

Presumbably if your great-great grandparent was a Canadian and had a child (your great grandparent) that spent at least 3 years in Canada, that great-grandparent could become a citizen now. But if they're dead then they are not and have never been a Canadian citizen, they're never going to be able to apply for citizenship or take the oath - so the chain of citizenship eligibility would seem to end there.

Yes but all your ancestors should have had citizenship. And the law seems to say they all get granted citizenship if they were born before December 15th 2025.

No, to repeat myself for about the fifth time, the Canadian parent of the child who wishes to claim access must have had a substantial connection with Canada at the time of the child was born.

This legislation does not grant ancestral rights in a vacuum.

[crazy canuck]

Can dead people who would've been able to get Canadian citizenship if they were alive under the current legislation be granted Canadian citizenship retroactively?

The "OMG is this for real" reading seems to imply that if anyone of your direct ancestors were Canadians, then each of the descendants gets posthumous citizenship in turn, creating a domino effect of citizenship.

On the other hand when I read the link Grey Fox shared, the requirement seems to be at minimum that you are a grandchild of a Canadian citizen and that your Canadian descended parent spent at least 3 years in Canada. It says nothing about posthumous citizenship being granted to dead non-Canadian citizens if they would've qualified under the current law.

Presumbably if your great-great grandparent was a Canadian and had a child (your great grandparent) that spent at least 3 years in Canada, that great-grandparent could become a citizen now. But if they're dead then they are not and have never been a Canadian citizen, they're never going to be able to apply for citizenship or take the oath - so the chain of citizenship eligibility would seem to end there.

No

Also, there is no chain of eligibility. The initial post that suggested there was what simply wrong. 

[Grey Fox]

I disagree that the connection clause applies to people born before December 15th 2025.

Another question:

Bill C-3 extends access to citizenship to these remaining "Lost Canadians," their descendants and those born abroad to or adopted abroad by a Canadian parent in the second or later generation before the new law came into effect.

people born before December 15, 2025, who automatically became Canadian citizens under the new law and were not previously granted citizenship

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2025/12/bill-c-3-an-act-to-amend-the-citizenship-act-2025-comes-into-effect.html

Who are these people that became automatically citizens?