The Top 10 generals of all time

[Admiral Yi]

France is a big name program but they hadn't had a winning season since the 1840's.

[Valmy]

France is a big name program but they hadn't had a winning season since the 1840's.

I beg to differ.  They had impressive winning streaks in the 1854-1859 and 1875-1938 seasons.

[PDH]

France suffers from poor defense.  Even their golden boy Napoleon could never organize a great home defense, and it cost them the title.  1870 showed they couldn't field a proper defensive unit, and their attempt at a bunker defense in the 1930s proved to be disastrous.

Really, France has the high BCS ranking because of their past conference glories.

[Neil]

France made excellent warships in the 1930s, but I'm not sure they were on top of their game at that point.

[mongers]

Giap and Monty, obviously. 

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah but they were both home games. When was the last time Vietnam notched a big road win?

Good point.  Not a real road team.  But to their credit they did spank China's single wing in '79 as well.

You guys say what you want about France, but Dien Bien Phu was probably the greatest upset of the 20th century until Appalachian State at Michigan, 2007.

[mongers]

Yeah but they were both home games. When was the last time Vietnam notched a big road win?

Good point.  Not a real road team.  But to their credit they did spank China's single wing in '79 as well.

You guys say what you want about France, but Dien Bien Phu was probably the greatest upset of the 20th century until Appalachian State at Michigan, 2007.

That would make the Brits like Arsenal, get an early goal, dig in play possession and defensive football for 50-80 minutes, only to let in a late goal when their guard begins to slip and ultimately lose in extra-time or on penalties. See vs Iraq(Basra) or vs Afghanistan(Helmand).

[Sheilbh]

France suffers from poor defense.

Yep. The furia francese on the other hand is formidable.

That would make the Brits like Arsenal, get an early goal, dig in play possession and defensive football for 50-80 minutes, only to let in a late goal when their guard begins to slip and ultimately lose in extra-time or on penalties. See vs Iraq(Basra) or vs Afghanistan(Helmand).

That's recent though. I think the normal British war is to lose almost catastrophically early on, normally due to xenophobic overconfidence, but somehow have an orderly withdrawal so there's something left and then regain composure.

[mongers]

France suffers from poor defense.

Yep. The furia francese on the other hand is formidable.

That would make the Brits like Arsenal, get an early goal, dig in play possession and defensive football for 50-80 minutes, only to let in a late goal when their guard begins to slip and ultimately lose in extra-time or on penalties. See vs Iraq(Basra) or vs Afghanistan(Helmand).

That's recent though. I think the normal British war is to lose almost catastrophically early on, normally due to xenophobic overconfidence, but somehow have an orderly withdrawal so there's something left and then regain composure.

Well yes, but that generally required a Navy, something I think that was retired in 1983*.



*yes I know that's not accurate, but it's a nice cheap shot at Thatcherism.