Texas tampers with vote date - still fails

[Kleves]

I think the only reasonable position is to accept that both sides have legitimate arguments.

That's why abortion is going to remain an issue for the foreseeable future, while something like gay marriage will probably go away sooner rather than later.

[Neil]

I wonder about the legitimacy of the anti-abortion arguments.  I mean, no social good can come out of banning or even heavily restricting abortion, right?

[CountDeMoney]

I wonder about the legitimacy of the anti-abortion arguments.  I mean, no social good can come out of banning or even heavily restricting abortion, right?

Social good's got nothing to do with scripture.

[merithyn]

And a right to lifer would reply that society has an obligation to protect the life of the unborn, and we're no further along than before.

They're welcome to protect the lives of their unborn children. That's between them and their doctors. That's my point.

[Ancient Demon]

Texas and some other states have always been anti-abortion, so I wonder why such a law wasn't passed previously.

[Barrister]

I wonder about the legitimacy of the anti-abortion arguments.  I mean, no social good can come out of banning or even heavily restricting abortion, right?

Well, it depends, doesn't it.  At one end, aborting a fetus who would have been viable and alive if born sounds a whole hell of a lot like murder, doesn't it?

On the other end it seems hard to get too upset about aborting an unimplanted zygote.

[Neil]

I wonder about the legitimacy of the anti-abortion arguments.  I mean, no social good can come out of banning or even heavily restricting abortion, right?

Well, it depends, doesn't it.  At one end, aborting a fetus who would have been viable and alive if born sounds a whole hell of a lot like murder, doesn't it?

On the other end it seems hard to get too upset about aborting an unimplanted zygote.

But that's not what we're talking about here.  Texas isn't passing laws to restrict late-term abortions because they're consumed with concern for the viable eight-month fetuses getting aborted.  They're passing laws to restrict abortion because their religion demands that they hate and persecute women who act in ways that they find immoral.

[Admiral Yi]

They're welcome to protect the lives of their unborn children. That's between them and their doctors. That's my point.

I got your point.  And the right to lifer responds you don't have a right to kill your unborn child, just like you don't have a right to kill your child when he or she is a toddler.

[merithyn]

They're welcome to protect the lives of their unborn children. That's between them and their doctors. That's my point.

I got your point.  And the right to lifer responds you don't have a right to kill your unborn child, just like you don't have a right to kill your child when he or she is a toddler.

I do while that child is a parasite living off my body. That's what seems to get lost. It is a parasite causing untold damage to the host. While that's the case, the host body should be the only one with a say in how they handle it.

[CountDeMoney]

I do while that child is a parasite living off my body.

And then, at 15, a parasite living off your refrigerator.  IS THAT A STICK OF BUTTER YOURE EATING?

[merithyn]

I do while that child is a parasite living off my body.

And then, at 15, a parasite living off your refrigerator.  IS THAT A STICK OF BUTTER YOURE EATING?

[Admiral Yi]

I do while that child is a parasite living off my body. That's what seems to get lost. It is a parasite causing untold damage to the host. While that's the case, the host body should be the only one with a say in how they handle it.

A legitimate argument.