WI Red Army competence in 1941?

[Razgovory]

If Bagration starts a year early, the Western Allies don't get to the Elbe;  but the Red Army gets to the Rhine.  Germany remains united behind the Curtain.

Would a Russian landing on Japan have been possible?

They did.

[jimmy olsen]

If there's no downside to your scenario then what's the interest? Especially if Germany attacks anyway. Germany loses a bit quicker than historically. Yay?

If the Soviets are doing ok, the US wouldn't extend Lend Lease to them. That would seriously put a cramp in the Soviet ability to launch counteroffensives.

And this would end up with the US owning much of northern Mexico on your map?

No, unfortunately it would not.

[jimmy olsen]

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942.

I'm suggesting that the Timmay whacking material scenario in your original post wouldn't matter for shit when it came to dealing with a FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL DEUTSCHE STAR in 1941.

The Nazis weren't going to win the Eastern Front.  This just pushes Bagration up a year or so.

How about if the Nazis concentrate solely on bombing British ports, specifically Liverpool, through which the vast amount of wartime material and supplies entered. They might be able to trash it enough to strangle the country. Then they can go at with the Soviets, one on one.

[The Brain]

Wait. Did someone just propose a silver bullet solution that would win Germany WW2? This may be an internet first.

[jimmy olsen]

Wait. Did someone just propose a silver bullet solution that would win Germany WW2? This may be an internet first.

Yay me!

[Razgovory]

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942.

I'm suggesting that the Timmay whacking material scenario in your original post wouldn't matter for shit when it came to dealing with a FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL DEUTSCHE STAR in 1941.

The Nazis weren't going to win the Eastern Front.  This just pushes Bagration up a year or so.

How about if the Nazis concentrate solely on bombing British ports, specifically Liverpool, through which the vast amount of wartime material and supplies entered. They might be able to trash it enough to strangle the country. Then they can go at with the Soviets, one on one.

Tim, it's an island.  There are lots and lots of ports.

[Barrister]

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942.

I'm suggesting that the Timmay whacking material scenario in your original post wouldn't matter for shit when it came to dealing with a FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL DEUTSCHE STAR in 1941.

The Nazis weren't going to win the Eastern Front.  This just pushes Bagration up a year or so.

How about if the Nazis concentrate solely on bombing British ports, specifically Liverpool, through which the vast amount of wartime material and supplies entered. They might be able to trash it enough to strangle the country. Then they can go at with the Soviets, one on one.

I don't think the Nazis had the range to be able to hit Liverpool.  It is in the northwest of England after all.  Or, while they theoreticall had the range, it gave them so little payload / flying time, plus being exposed to British fighters for a longer period of time, it just wasn't feasible.

[Admiral Yi]

Pretty sure bombers had the range for Liverpool.  Fighter couldn't get much further north than London.

[derspiess]

Sure, he was often a hinderance...but something in the Soviet system needed a mean old grandfather like him to get things to work.

This.

[Valmy]

I'm unclear who "they" is in the first sentence.

"They" was in the second sentence and referred to the guys in the first sentence: The Germans.

[Valmy]

Pretty sure bombers had the range for Liverpool.  Fighter couldn't get much further north than London.

Maybe, but a big problem was that most of the German bombers were designed to support the Blitzkrieg, not carry out strategic bombing campaigns.

[Barrister]

Pretty sure bombers had the range for Liverpool.  Fighter couldn't get much further north than London.

I'm leary about discussing WWII on this forum since so many people know more than I do, but for the Germans wasn't sending out bombers without fighter escort a pretty dodgy proposition?

[Admiral Yi]

I'm leary about discussing WWII on this forum since so many people know more than I do, but for the Germans wasn't sending out bombers without fighter escort a pretty dodgy proposition?

Not so much at night.

[derspiess]

Pretty sure bombers had the range for Liverpool.  Fighter couldn't get much further north than London.

I'm leary about discussing WWII on this forum since so many people know more than I do, but for the Germans wasn't sending out bombers without fighter escort a pretty dodgy proposition?

I suppose you could do night bombing.

edit: damn you, Yi.

[Razgovory]

I'm unclear who "they" is in the first sentence.

"They" was in the second sentence and referred to the guys in the first sentence: The Germans.

Okay.  The Germans could offer things like territory, and technical expertise.  Stalin also suspected that the Allies wanted to see Germany destroy the Soviet Union.  Allying with Germany alleviates that problem.