WI Red Army competence in 1941?

[Queequeg]

The problem in 1941 wasn't as much incompetence in the military, but the isolated position that Stalin put the Soviet Union in.   And his behavior wasn't irrational in this regard.  Britain and France didn't look like good allies with their tacit approval of Franco and the Czech thing.  He miscalculated Hitler's behavior (which everyone did), and he miscalculated how warfare would look in the 1940's.

To really prevent a disastrous 1941 he needs to either be eliminated at much earlier date (like 1918), or betray Hitler in 1940.

I think you are wildly underestimating how catastrophic the initial phase of Barbarossa was.

[Queequeg]

This seems to be a Timmay "What if everything was good for the Soviets" type of scenario.  Given that Stalin was Stalin, I can't see such things happening.

German combined arms doctrine, experience and air power still smokes the Red Army in 1941, regardless of who is in charge.

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942. 

[Eddie Teach]

And this would end up with the US owning much of northern Mexico on your map?

No Lend Lease to the Soviets --> Confederate States of America joins the Axis.

No way, man. It was the British and French intervention that let the CSA be a country in the first place.

[CountDeMoney]

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942.

I'm suggesting that the Timmay whacking material scenario in your original post wouldn't matter for shit when it came to dealing with a FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL DEUTSCHE STAR in 1941.

[Queequeg]

I'm not suggesting the Red Army parading in Berlin in 1942.

I'm suggesting that the Timmay whacking material scenario in your original post wouldn't matter for shit when it came to dealing with a FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL DEUTSCHE STAR in 1941.

The Nazis weren't going to win the Eastern Front.  This just pushes Bagration up a year or so. 

[CountDeMoney]

The Nazis weren't going to win the Eastern Front.

I didn't say they would.

This just pushes Bagration up a year or so.

So why didn't you say so in the first place, instead of starting a Timmay alt-hist whack thread?

[Queequeg]

I laid out some conditions that I think were relatively likely, and thought most people would come to the same conclusion-that Bagration happens in 43, that Berlin is taken in 44, that most of Central Europe comes under Soviet domination, and that the balance of power is similarly changed by a far earlier assault on Manchuria.  I was primarily interested in how this would change the calculus of the Cold War, and how the Nazis would respond to finding out a year earlier that the USSR wasn't going to collapse as effortlessly as the Third Republic. 

[CountDeMoney]

If Bagration starts a year early, the Western Allies don't get to the Elbe;  but the Red Army gets to the Rhine.  Germany remains united behind the Curtain.

[Valmy]

Britain and France didn't look like good allies with their tacit approval of Franco and the Czech thing.

Still fail to see why that made the Germans better ones.  They did more than simply tacitly approve of Franco and were more directly responsible for the Czech thing.

He miscalculated Hitler's behavior (which everyone did)

In 1939?  Even the British and the French had caught on by then.

[Razgovory]

Britain and France didn't look like good allies with their tacit approval of Franco and the Czech thing.

Still fail to see why that made the Germans better ones.  They did more than simply tacitly approve of Franco and were more directly responsible for the Czech thing.

He miscalculated Hitler's behavior (which everyone did)

In 1939?  Even the British and the French had caught on by then.

I'm unclear who "they" is in the first sentence.

[Queequeg]

If Bagration starts a year early, the Western Allies don't get to the Elbe;  but the Red Army gets to the Rhine.  Germany remains united behind the Curtain.

Would a Russian landing on Japan have been possible?

[Sophie Scholl]

Patton's wetdream.  US led gangbang of the USSR with atomic accompaniment.

[The Brain]

Patton's wetdream.  US led gangbang of the USSR with atomic accompaniment.

But what if, in this reality, Bizarro Oppenheimer is a nice guy? Will he build an atomic toaster instead of a bomb?

[Sophie Scholl]

Good question.  I'm also wondering who is leading Germany, since John Cusack hired a young Adolf Hitler on as an artist at his gallery.

[The Brain]

If Bagration starts a year early, the Western Allies don't get to the Elbe;  but the Red Army gets to the Rhine.  Germany remains united behind the Curtain.

Would a Russian landing on Japan have been possible?

Maybe with a catapult.