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Title: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 06, 2015, 12:55:02 pm
As has been suggested, a generic thread for venting about the things our yet-friends and family members post on Facebook that we bear in silence so as to not to make interactions more awkward than they already are.

My oldest sister and her husband have just shared the following. As best I can tell they did so unironically.

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‪#‎MarkZuckerburg‬
THANK YOU, MARK ZUCKERBERG, for your forward-thinking generosity! And congrats on becoming a dad!
Mark Zuckerberg has announced that he is giving away $45 billion of Facebook stock. What you may not have heard is that he plans to give 10% of it away to people like YOU and ME! All you have to do is copy and paste this message into a post IMMEDIATELY and tag 5-10 of your friends. At midnight PST, Facebook will search through the day's posts and award 1000 people with $4.5 million EACH as a way of saying thank you for making Facebook such a powerful vehicle for connection and philanthropy.
I hope someone I know gets a piece of the pie--let me know if you do!!!...because I know you all have the true Christmas spirit and would do AMAZING things! 🏻

And the usual political re-posting.

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 06, 2015, 12:56:46 pm
All that fancy education didn't teach The Donald the difference between it's and its.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 06, 2015, 02:10:44 pm
All that fancy education didn't teach The Donald the difference between it's and its.

America is citizens. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 06, 2015, 02:18:58 pm
Err, we the people? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 06:38:34 am
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12314384_10153139922367312_4504186220333547268_o.jpg)

Toutes mes condoléances au peuple français.
Translation: All my sympathies to the French people.

From a German, no less. ;)
Context: high score for the FN in regional elections, except in Paris. Highest score ever in Île-de-France but lower than most other regions but Brittany, Le Pen's region. ;)

PS: there is no Ed in this picture, no need to look for him. Traffic in Paris scares him.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 07, 2015, 07:14:06 am
My French friends react with more drama over this than my Swedish friends when Sverigedemokraterne won. Pictures of burning passports has been posted.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 07:56:20 am
My French friends react with more drama over this than my Swedish friends when Sverigedemokraterne won. Pictures of burning passports has been posted.

Real ones?  :lmfao:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 07, 2015, 08:17:28 am
As has been suggested, a generic thread for venting about the things our yet-friends and family members post on Facebook that we bear in silence so as to not to make interactions more awkward than they already are.


Syt, good implementation of a thread idea.  :D

We can widen it to other media like twitter? Because there's whole other worlds of stupid out there.  :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 07, 2015, 08:20:11 am
As has been suggested, a generic thread for venting about the things our yet-friends and family members post on Facebook that we bear in silence so as to not to make interactions more awkward than they already are.


Syt, good implementation of a thread idea.  :D

We can widen it to other media like twitter? Because there's whole other worlds of stupid out there.  :)

Sure. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on December 07, 2015, 08:35:40 am
Can we include corporations? IBM's #hackahairdryer campaign to attract women engineers was a recent epic fail.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/07/ibm-sparks-anger-with-hackahairdryer-campaign-aimed-at-women (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/07/ibm-sparks-anger-with-hackahairdryer-campaign-aimed-at-women)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 07, 2015, 08:45:42 am
I think it is really to commiserate about friends and family posting stupid shit and we not being able to tell them what morons they are. You can probably feel free to just tell IBM they are morons without ruining too many relationships.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on December 07, 2015, 08:47:14 am
The smugness of my brother in law re: is anticonsumerism annoys the shit out of me.

Eventually, I am going to call him out on it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 07, 2015, 09:03:44 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1385065_10153410266070019_104346438_n.jpg?oh=0d65d73b88ffdb25a31bf687304ea56b&oe=56DA28D0&__gda__=1461382792_1b515d1427e3275cf36459fdb8666090)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12321463_927127900706800_4614578302316392220_n.jpg?oh=bbad5b15f4efff8f8de507817ec5be49&oe=56ECDB3C&__gda__=1457778518_42d653c7763dfdd88f5c04895663c964)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 07, 2015, 09:16:54 am
False Equivalency. God I hate those. Weird that they have a picture of Jefferson and not Madison.

And Hillary it seems wants to introduce birthright citizenship.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 09:24:59 am
Can we include corporations? IBM's #hackahairdryer campaign to attract women engineers was a recent epic fail.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/07/ibm-sparks-anger-with-hackahairdryer-campaign-aimed-at-women (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/07/ibm-sparks-anger-with-hackahairdryer-campaign-aimed-at-women)

So the challenge designed to attract women not in STEM into the field is not as difficult as the ones women already in the field are working on? 

That's outrageous!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 09:26:15 am
I don't get the Hillary connection either but I do agree with changing the 14th Amendment.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 08, 2015, 07:37:29 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 08, 2015, 07:43:13 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 08, 2015, 07:44:10 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12310521_10207100077732829_1115952832514470987_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=5d6a297915310fe03ede468cf86b403e&oe=56D398A8)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 08, 2015, 07:51:54 pm
I'm not really a car guy, but that doesn't seem like sound advice.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 08, 2015, 08:05:37 pm
The Charlie Brown and Snoopy pic is cool.


Fallout Charlie.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 08, 2015, 08:14:52 pm
The Charlie Brown and Snoopy pic is cool.


Fallout Charlie.

Not pictured: Charlie Brown assraping Lucy in the ruins.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 08, 2015, 08:20:43 pm
And to be serious, I've muted about 5 family members so far. 3 for liberal pussyitis, 1 for over aggressive religious and Trump pomposity and my gay cousin for posting too much gay shit. I'd like to be able eat breakfast without reading about his goddamn gay adventures.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 08, 2015, 08:44:53 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 08, 2015, 09:31:11 pm
I'm not really a car guy, but that doesn't seem like sound advice.
I was in a car club, and it doesn't sound like a good advice to me either.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 08, 2015, 10:10:56 pm
I've never driven in a place that gets snow every year, so no idea whether those things are good advice or not. They sound dicey though.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 09, 2015, 01:58:56 am
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Is there a political message here? It just looks like fanart of Charlie brown in an apocalyptic wasteland.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 09, 2015, 05:06:20 am
Charlie Brownout 4?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 09, 2015, 05:07:22 am
A Boy And His Dog
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 09, 2015, 07:27:26 am
I'm not really a car guy, but that doesn't seem like sound advice.
I was in a car club, and it doesn't sound like a good advice to me either.

 :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 09, 2015, 08:31:39 am
(http://s29.postimg.org/xby78bcnb/image.jpg)

Wut?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 09, 2015, 08:42:19 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 09, 2015, 08:45:00 am
I don't know if it is satire. I just can't tell anymore.  :cry:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2015, 09:12:25 am
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I hadn't thought of it like that before...I should really go out and get a fire extinguisher.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on December 09, 2015, 09:15:00 am
I've never driven in a place that gets snow every year, so no idea whether those things are good advice or not. They sound dicey though.
the screw will either be forced inside the tire eventually and create a flat or it will break.
the sand paper could remove the ice, but if you use for a minute too long, it will destroy your glass.  Just use a scraper like everyone else.
loosening the screws is dumb, all it does is that your screws may break.  Just carry some WD-40 in your trunk, in case of need.
the anti freeze in break fluid is unncessary for most climates.  I don't know about Antartica, but nowhere near inhabited area is it cold enough to justify that for North American and European cars.  Well, maybe a Ferrari requires special attention.  Then again, you shouldn't drive it in winter :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 09, 2015, 01:34:10 pm
Yay my uncle not only shared support for Trump but also shared an article Laura Ingraham shared supporting a hiatus on all immigration...

Also, I'm so sad Ingraham got that cancer. She used to be a reasonable conservative with call-ins to her radio show from her gay brother. :weep:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2015, 02:03:42 pm
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11882953_1182492341767170_935069989955898222_o.jpg)

Translation
Be one of the biggest weapon sellers in the world.
Expel (all) refugees that flee wars

Liberté Égalité Fraternité
République Française

Motto of the French republic in the end.

There is a half-truth there about weapon sales though France did not export much to Syria or Afghanistan. However, the French sentence starting with "les réfugiés" is pretty damning means all refugees (definite article).

Nice choice of a mainstream movie depicting an independent arms seller, very relevant to the context. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2015, 02:11:44 pm
Those are the worst Duque.

'Wants to ban guns to save lives'

'Thinks Planned Parenthood should be allowed to kill babies'

Ugh

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2015, 02:37:38 pm
Specially when repeated ad nauseam such as:

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Juste un petit rappel mes amis français: Qui séme les armes récolte les réfugiés.

Just a little reminder my French friends: he who sows weapons shall harvest refugees.

Then quoting an article of lepoint.fr telling that China had sold more weapons than France and Germany. Of course, France was beaten by the Chinese only because of the cancelled sale of Mistrals to Russia.

http://www.lepoint.fr/economie/exportation-d-armes-la-chine-depasse-l-allemagne-et-la-france-16-03-2015-1913024_28.php (http://www.lepoint.fr/economie/exportation-d-armes-la-chine-depasse-l-allemagne-et-la-france-16-03-2015-1913024_28.php)

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2015, 02:47:49 pm
Btw, Valmy show us your worst i.e best FB offerings you were gifted with. Enough of Syt and me keeping the thread alive. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on December 09, 2015, 02:51:53 pm
Nearly all the JOIN THE COFFEE PARTY MOVEMENT stuff is pretty over the top.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on December 09, 2015, 03:41:48 pm
A friend of a friend, so it doesn't really count, but the best I can do:
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Picture this - a presidential election cycle featuring an inexperienced blowhard of a candidate who manages to corral the widespread popular support of an angry, frustrated, but ultimately uninformed electorate through the use of fiery rhetoric, meaningless platitudes, and impossible promises.

Now, a question - am I referring to the 2008 or the 2016 election cycle?

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 09, 2015, 03:51:35 pm
I didn't know that Detroit is only 20 years old.  Color me surprised.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 09, 2015, 03:52:01 pm
Brevard County Sheriff's Office, Florida (Official)

https://www.facebook.com/BrevardCountySheriff/videos/913027038780051/?pnref=story

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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

IT'S TIME TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS!!

The sheriff also does Wheel of Fugitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gzkWFxDmQ&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 09, 2015, 04:13:24 pm
Well he said it, I guess we are all safe now.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on December 09, 2015, 04:23:12 pm
I'm sure you guys have seen or will see the FB claim that Obama says "ISIL" as a coded message to his fellow Muslims that he does not see Israel as an independent state, but as a part of the Islamic State.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on December 09, 2015, 06:06:30 pm
What's the secret message in "Tolly-ban?"
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Savonarola on December 09, 2015, 06:37:50 pm
Brevard County Sheriff's Office, Florida (Official)

https://www.facebook.com/BrevardCountySheriff/videos/913027038780051/?pnref=story

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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

IT'S TIME TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS!!

The sheriff also does Wheel of Fugitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gzkWFxDmQ&feature=youtu.be

My sheriff   :)

The Melbourne Mall shooting that he references took place about a mile from where I live.  CB and I were driving back from Sam's Club one morning and we saw all these patrol cars in the parking lot in front of the mall.  The police do their driving training in the mall parking lot so we assumed that was what was going on; and soon found out we were wrong.

Anyhow that's pretty typical of law enforcement here.  This is still small town / rural Florida.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 09, 2015, 07:57:01 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2015, 08:02:48 pm
Too soon.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on December 09, 2015, 08:06:44 pm
I laughed.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 09, 2015, 08:12:38 pm
Jesus looks like Seth Green.

Could be legit.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 09, 2015, 09:00:39 pm
Oh shit :blink:


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12313632_1183250958353223_718178168861016127_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=4f538a5282f9d0155bd5b72aef827a53&oe=56ECB141)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 09, 2015, 09:06:46 pm
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Against cazadors, nail guns are probably the best weapon in Fallout New Vegas.  Jesus doesn't know shit about the game..
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 09, 2015, 09:16:02 pm
Oh shit :blink:


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12313632_1183250958353223_718178168861016127_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=4f538a5282f9d0155bd5b72aef827a53&oe=56ECB141)

I LAUGHED
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 09, 2015, 09:37:52 pm
I LAUGHED

ibid.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 10, 2015, 12:42:23 am

My sheriff   :)

The Melbourne Mall shooting that he references took place about a mile from where I live.  CB and I were driving back from Sam's Club one morning and we saw all these patrol cars in the parking lot in front of the mall.  The police do their driving training in the mall parking lot so we assumed that was what was going on; and soon found out we were wrong.

Anyhow that's pretty typical of law enforcement here.  This is still small town / rural Florida.

I'm just glad that someone with my weight can still be elected sheriff in the U.S. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 10, 2015, 12:50:58 am
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Star Wars with a Syrian refugee photoshopped in.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 10, 2015, 12:56:18 am
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/trump-eagle-03a.gif?w=560&h=315)

Rejected by the very spririt of America.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 10, 2015, 09:28:40 am
Just saw this on facebook. :hmm:

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According to the UN, today is World Human Rights day. Yet all of our human rights are being violated by this prison-industrial-corporate-state-complex led COP 21 climate negotiations process. Negotiations over whose islands will flood? Which people will die? The seas are rising and so are we. Violence against the people is violence against the planet. Time for a Just Transition away from extractive, violence-based capitalist economies, toward a life-based, healing, and ecological solidarity economy. ‪#‎ClimateJusticeNow‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎IndigenousRising‬ ‪#‎JustTransition‬ ‪#‎COP21‬
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on December 10, 2015, 09:40:30 am
I've never driven in a place that gets snow every year, so no idea whether those things are good advice or not. They sound dicey though.
the screw will either be forced inside the tire eventually and create a flat or it will break.
the sand paper could remove the ice, but if you use for a minute too long, it will destroy your glass.  Just use a scraper like everyone else.
loosening the screws is dumb, all it does is that your screws may break.  Just carry some WD-40 in your trunk, in case of need.
the anti freeze in break fluid is unncessary for most climates.  I don't know about Antartica, but nowhere near inhabited area is it cold enough to justify that for North American and European cars.  Well, maybe a Ferrari requires special attention.  Then again, you shouldn't drive it in winter :D

I am pretty sure you don't want to mix your break fluid with anything. All those advices are satire
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 09:41:53 am
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According to the UN, today is World Human Rights day. Yet all of our human rights are being violated by this prison-industrial-corporate-state-complex led COP 21 climate negotiations process. Negotiations over whose islands will flood? Which people will die? The seas are rising and so are we. Violence against the people is violence against the planet. Time for a Just Transition away from extractive, violence-based capitalist economies, toward a life-based, healing, and ecological solidarity economy. ‪#‎ClimateJusticeNow‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎IndigenousRising‬ ‪#‎JustTransition‬ ‪#‎COP21‬

We will no longer extract resources but run everything on love and joy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on December 10, 2015, 09:42:21 am
Just saw this on facebook. :hmm:

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According to the UN, today is World Human Rights day. Yet all of our human rights are being violated by this prison-industrial-corporate-state-complex led COP 21 climate negotiations process. Negotiations over whose islands will flood? Which people will die? The seas are rising and so are we. Violence against the people is violence against the planet. Time for a Just Transition away from extractive, violence-based capitalist economies, toward a life-based, healing, and ecological solidarity economy. ‪#‎ClimateJusticeNow‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎IndigenousRising‬ ‪#‎JustTransition‬ ‪#‎COP21‬

(https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0064/12/1429213572181.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 10, 2015, 09:56:28 am
Just saw this on facebook. :hmm:

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According to the UN, today is World Human Rights day. Yet all of our human rights are being violated by this prison-industrial-corporate-state-complex led COP 21 climate negotiations process. Negotiations over whose islands will flood? Which people will die? The seas are rising and so are we. Violence against the people is violence against the planet. Time for a Just Transition away from extractive, violence-based capitalist economies, toward a life-based, healing, and ecological solidarity economy. ‪#‎ClimateJusticeNow‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎IndigenousRising‬ ‪#‎JustTransition‬ ‪#‎COP21‬

The #‎BlackLivesMatter remind me of the following statement I saw when homosexual marriage was legalised in the US:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhYwW6VAAA-csj.png)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 10, 2015, 09:57:51 am
He also liked his own post. Not sure what to say about that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 10, 2015, 10:00:23 am
Just saw this on facebook. :hmm:

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According to the UN, today is World Human Rights day. Yet all of our human rights are being violated by this prison-industrial-corporate-state-complex led COP 21 climate negotiations process. Negotiations over whose islands will flood? Which people will die? The seas are rising and so are we. Violence against the people is violence against the planet. Time for a Just Transition away from extractive, violence-based capitalist economies, toward a life-based, healing, and ecological solidarity economy. ‪#‎ClimateJusticeNow‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎IndigenousRising‬ ‪#‎JustTransition‬ ‪#‎COP21‬

The #‎BlackLivesMatter remind me of the following statement I saw when homosexual marriage was legalised in the US:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhYwW6VAAA-csj.png)

It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 10:07:22 am
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Donald Trump is showing that. But of course it does make you sound like an insane fruitcake. So I guess it is a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 10, 2015, 10:10:16 am
I have seen indeed much worse on FB walls.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 10, 2015, 10:10:56 am
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Donald Trump is showing that. But of course it does make you sound like an insane fruitcake. So I guess it is a double-edged sword.

People who want to disregard the message will always find a way to do so, unless forced not to.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 10:16:58 am
People who want to disregard the message will always find a way to do so, unless forced not to.

I get assaulted with so much insane radical garbage from everybody on a constant basis it would be so refreshing to see something polite and well thought at some point. Why do you think flinging shit with the rest of the goofballs means more attention that people are forced to listen to?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 10, 2015, 10:17:42 am
I tried scrolling through my facebook feed for a while but found nothing political except for my politician friends posting news articles that supports their cause.

Quite boring really.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 10, 2015, 10:21:21 am
People who want to disregard the message will always find a way to do so, unless forced not to.

I get assaulted with so much insane radical garbage from everybody on a constant basis it would be so refreshing to see something polite and well thought at some point. Why do you think flinging shit with the rest of the goofballs means more attention that people are forced to listen to?

The increased attention given to black people in the past 2 years or so has come from black people being polite.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on December 10, 2015, 10:25:52 am
I tried scrolling through my facebook feed for a while but found nothing political except for my politician friends posting news articles that supports their cause.

Quite boring really.

Last year I unfriended about 30% of my 'friends' on FB. I'm not following another 30% or so. I only have to log in once or twice a week to keep up.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 10, 2015, 10:26:36 am
I tried scrolling through my facebook feed for a while but found nothing political except for my politician friends posting news articles that supports their cause.

Quite boring really.

Consider yourself lucky. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 10:30:53 am
The increased attention given to black people in the past 2 years or so has come from black people being polite.

And Donald Trump's run for the Presidency has not come from him being polite. But just getting attention is not sufficient. You also have to convince and call people to action. The protests and BLM and all that got my attention but that do not seem to have anything substantial or new to say or anything I could do to help. Then it becomes the occupy movement.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 10:31:41 am
I tried scrolling through my facebook feed for a while but found nothing political except for my politician friends posting news articles that supports their cause.

Quite boring really.

Last year I unfriended about 30% of my 'friends' on FB. I'm not following another 30% or so. I only have to log in once or twice a week to keep up.

Yeah I have been cursing my luck that I unfollowed so many of my FB nutters right before this thread started.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on December 10, 2015, 10:35:59 am
All those advices are satire
I don't know.  There is some very weird shit on the 'net that is supposedly serious.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 10, 2015, 11:47:17 am
I tried scrolling through my facebook feed for a while but found nothing political except for my politician friends posting news articles that supports their cause.

Quite boring really.

Consider yourself lucky. :)

It's quite amazing considering how many of my family from the older generation that was either communists or anarchists. I guess getting grandchildren will keep them occupied sharing baby pictures. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 12:25:56 pm
Ah here we go:

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/12314429_1166125320083382_3492405362349395566_o.jpg)

:bleeding: These are the worst.

Yes I get it. You love stupid false equivalency memes. And in any case the US is already bombing ISIS...and has not taken any rights away from anybody.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 10, 2015, 12:36:03 pm
I knew Valmy could uphold the high standard demanded by this thread. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 10, 2015, 12:57:14 pm
Oh oh! Some guy I met in Japan posted this:

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12299290_912737305507433_6544821843434944418_n.jpg?oh=6eb3c72134f7e764e90bc727ed2dbe2b&oe=57214193)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 10, 2015, 01:57:20 pm
I see nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 10, 2015, 02:08:41 pm
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Which legal rights are denied to black people in America presently?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on December 10, 2015, 02:57:40 pm
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Which legal rights are denied to black people in America presently?

Check your privilege before you ask :angry:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 10, 2015, 03:00:02 pm
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Which legal rights are denied to black people in America presently?

Not having to suffer microtransactions on campus.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on December 10, 2015, 03:00:45 pm
It is bombastic but not something that doesn't have a worthwhile point. Course polite speech doesn't get attention.

Which legal rights are denied to black people in America presently?

The right not to be shot by the police in disproportionate numbers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 03:29:21 pm
The right not to be shot by the police in disproportionate numbers.

There is a certain percentage a demographic is supposed to be gunned down by the police and we need to work to either gun more people down from the other demographics or reduce their gunning down.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 10, 2015, 03:35:06 pm
I can see this thread being a perennial favourite on Languish, up until so arsehole looks up Languishites on facebook and directs their family or friends towards this thread.  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 10, 2015, 04:48:15 pm
My sister's comment on this article: http://www.fox13news.com/news/56870459-story

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Why is the government "helping" illegal immigrants and refugees if it doesn't have the money to take care of the veterans that they send in harms way?

The old, "We can only help other people when everyone of our own people has been helped first."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on December 10, 2015, 05:42:30 pm
My sister's comment on this article: http://www.fox13news.com/news/56870459-story

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Why is the government "helping" illegal immigrants and refugees if it doesn't have the money to take care of the veterans that they send in harms way?

The old, "We can only help other people when everyone of our own people has been helped first."

The answer to that is "good point. Let's raise taxes to take better care of veterans."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 08:10:34 pm
My sister's comment on this article: http://www.fox13news.com/news/56870459-story

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Why is the government "helping" illegal immigrants and refugees if it doesn't have the money to take care of the veterans that they send in harms way?

The old, "We can only help other people when everyone of our own people has been helped first."

Yeah this is the reason we should not take refugees I hear all the time as well. We have been taking in refugees and not caring for veterans for centuries but NOW this is an outrage.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 10, 2015, 08:42:13 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/11226000_1661248707473055_678206823410050395_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=0f77c46161f83ed06ca254e425eba22d&oe=572250F4)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 10, 2015, 08:58:45 pm
Perhaps I'm all three.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2015, 09:56:20 pm
Perhaps I'm all three.  :ph34r:

I was about to say. It doesn't have to be either-or people.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 10, 2015, 11:33:02 pm
I am so tired of seeing

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12342474_10153603123272702_2129663318380273225_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=2b490b22d75d4e5c676852a1cbbaa963&oe=56DBC72B)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 11, 2015, 12:05:51 am
Well we would have tens of millions of cannon fodder to send against ISIS then.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 11, 2015, 12:32:06 am
I'm not sure what use the disabled would be.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 11, 2015, 12:41:05 am
I'm not sure what use the disabled would be.

This is a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 11, 2015, 12:57:46 am
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that my previously Trump-loving sister and her husband shared something from Bernie Sanders:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12366412_10154395155852908_6133111820562998340_n.png?oh=74a6889fc5c2c149e9b6c1f6f7af1db1&oe=56D7398C&__gda__=1461397491_28aa0013768ee063e51ce3bf1225173b)

Fortunately, this was immediately followed by:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12316648_855847647846292_1533031236183319785_n.jpg?oh=c184c26ecfa583bbc233b2c3cf762b22&oe=5719FBF0&__gda__=1457755001_2fe73764de4b1b4b1f203188f8c411b4)

So all's well in the redneck swamps of Florida. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 11, 2015, 01:01:26 am
So, based on the last meme, is she going back to Germany and invade Poland?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 11, 2015, 01:03:01 am
Oh, they're all three proud to be from Germany, but they would never go back.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on December 11, 2015, 01:29:20 am
Yeah, I was going to say: maybe she's becoming interested in a sort of nationalist socialism... :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Archy on December 11, 2015, 02:57:51 am
On the feed of my West Flemish niece
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 11, 2015, 06:16:40 am
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12047060_10153075899682312_5117062758154291164_n.jpg?oh=6afb8d5a5440480112e6774c82ef8487&oe=56DADE2C)

ISIS = CIA

ISIS a.k.a as Daesh :)

On a tout compris = We got it

Classic argument from authority/ad verecundiam.

Best comment ever: missing an i e between K and E and you've got almost the whole picture.

Il manque un I entre le K et le E, et le tableau est (presque) complet!

Yes, Kiev. Islamo-nazi ukrainians I guess.

Context: an ad in the metro for some lame comedians.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 11, 2015, 07:43:31 am
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12208652_10153302501945197_939214429041723738_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=1ff88df4df6c8438cd1829b146f7cccd&oe=56D3FE46)

Alright, Marty.  Replace "fire extinguisher" with "flamethrower," then we'll talk.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on December 11, 2015, 07:48:05 am


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12316648_855847647846292_1533031236183319785_n.jpg?oh=c184c26ecfa583bbc233b2c3cf762b22&oe=5719FBF0&__gda__=1457755001_2fe73764de4b1b4b1f203188f8c411b4)

So all's well in the redneck swamps of Florida. :)

That eagle pic should be combined with this:

http://imgur.com/gallery/Ulb2XkA

 ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on December 11, 2015, 07:53:04 am
The person with the craziest opinion/ post on my facebook is...American Scipio.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 11, 2015, 12:35:45 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10641074_857776317568571_888564851911406473_n.jpg?oh=7ee108b703f90d9b811fddf88e3fce1f&oe=571EA713&__gda__=1456800762_2ad577f22f76551f333ccaf5daa7c706)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12108920_1655373078074840_2660942334401637414_n.jpg?oh=3c92ffb2943a15a4e38af8b36aaf9334&oe=571FE1B3&__gda__=1461692603_b2db888e12d889f30a0128bba1062d50)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 11, 2015, 12:38:40 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10641074_857776317568571_888564851911406473_n.jpg?oh=7ee108b703f90d9b811fddf88e3fce1f&oe=571EA713&__gda__=1456800762_2ad577f22f76551f333ccaf5daa7c706)

That was one hell of a seance.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 11, 2015, 12:42:24 pm
....

That was one hell of a seance.

Nearly as weird as people actually sitting around and dreaming that shit up; I guess someone as to otherwise the political debate might take a detour into mature or reasoned territory. :gasp:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on December 11, 2015, 12:44:23 pm
....

That was one hell of a seance.

Nearly as weird as people actually sitting around and dreaming that shit up; I guess someone as to otherwise the political debate might take a detour into mature or reasoned territory. :gasp:

This is an election that currently has Donald Trump as a leading candidate. Chances of such a detour are minimal.  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 11, 2015, 08:49:50 pm
For Seedy


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12348165_10205704922483900_4557061942607128199_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=76f067ce271b2d629d1385cdd1adef6a&oe=571F5514)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 11, 2015, 09:08:06 pm
The one on the right is way cuter though.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 11, 2015, 09:46:34 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12342496_10204010872230950_5534264786458296065_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=a6cabed968c818437ac55c951cb19b34&oe=571DBFED)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 12:22:02 am
For Seedy


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12348165_10205704922483900_4557061942607128199_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=76f067ce271b2d629d1385cdd1adef6a&oe=571F5514)

The thing about memes is that whenever there is a glaring grammatical error in them, it detracts from the message.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 12:28:04 am
I get the feeling that my cat understands most of what I say, it just doesn't care.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 12:28:43 am
Bad analogy meme:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/12239250_1104985606200424_4575548871341844343_o.png)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 12:29:29 am
I get the feeling that my cat understands most of what I say, it just doesn't care.

Yeah the dog acts on what you say because it wants to please you. The cat is like WHADEVA.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 01:19:55 am
Bad analogy meme:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/12239250_1104985606200424_4575548871341844343_o.png)

It's all a form of bullying.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 01:31:20 am
Being able to attack someone's views and beliefs is not bullying - it is a cornerstone of democracy.  :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 01:36:30 am
Incidentally, can we please stop with using the word "bullying" to describe interactions between adults? If you are an adult and you are troubled or hurt by "bullying", then you deserve to be subsumed into the biomass, so that your atoms can be put to a better use.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 12, 2015, 02:02:05 am
OK, Neil.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 12, 2015, 02:08:17 am
The thing about memes is that whenever there is a glaring grammatical error in them, it detracts from the message.

Maybe the cat is Russian.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 12, 2015, 02:16:06 am
Incidentally, can we please stop with using the word "bullying" to describe interactions between adults? If you are an adult and you are troubled or hurt by "bullying", then you deserve to be subsumed into the biomass, so that your atoms can be put to a better use.
Nah I don't think someone from Poland should dictate my word choice in English.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 02:44:53 am
Being able to attack someone's views and beliefs is not bullying - it is a cornerstone of democracy.  :huh:

And harassing someone over their identity is a form of bullying.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 02:52:12 am
Incidentally, can we please stop with using the word "bullying" to describe interactions between adults? If you are an adult and you are troubled or hurt by "bullying", then you deserve to be subsumed into the biomass, so that your atoms can be put to a better use.

Ah no.  Simply because you like to engage in an activity doesn't stop it from being childish and cruel.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 12, 2015, 03:03:10 am
Thankfully I don't think I've ever had my opinions challenged. If I ever did I would cry like a little crybaby.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 12, 2015, 03:12:36 am
Thankfully I don't think I've ever had my opinions challenged. If I ever did I would cry like a little crybaby.
That is generally what you so when I take you to task.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 12, 2015, 04:12:03 am
You really ought to be nicer to poor Brain.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 12, 2015, 07:08:55 am
You really ought to be nicer to poor Brain.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 12, 2015, 08:35:19 am
Putin fanboyism special, from a leftie

(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12246761_1727610247473135_4149253569291518201_n.jpg?oh=a71b3154aa115580776e5ebf38f8b48d&oe=56D9F247)

Sharing propaganda from Assad's regime. : :lol:
There's a half (quarter?) truth there though.

It started this way

(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12122842_10153771163993690_7403484250399885881_n.jpg?oh=5d98d22427cbe49df8158db478b216ed&oe=56ECE130)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 12, 2015, 08:38:07 am
I find it telling that people most opposed to "bullying" (Raz, garbon) are the ones who are mentally ill. But worry not, 5 more years like this, and "sanism" or "mentalism" will be considered a form of prejudice, too. After all, only because your brain is so chemically imbalanced, you cannot function without taking medication, does not mean your views or opinions are any less valid.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2015, 08:38:56 am
Dude, are you insane?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 12, 2015, 08:47:42 am
I'm the most opposed? At any rate, glad to see Marti is so well versed on mental illness. :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2015, 09:03:53 am
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 12, 2015, 09:17:50 am
He is a special snowflake.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2015, 10:03:12 am
My niece's husband:

Quote
11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2015, 10:10:44 am
And two more from him:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/12339645_10153045284491157_4810732361580047164_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12345395_456312781223505_2725430589180221937_n.jpg?oh=115e9eca505568ffd031e4c8e03ac47c&oe=56E17382&__gda__=1461503997_cdd2e643c11881b636b6e36bc7c29c07)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on December 12, 2015, 10:12:12 am
Why is it that every single illegal wants to kill the white folks?  :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 12, 2015, 11:11:27 am
I don't think levitating mosques is the answer.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 12, 2015, 11:17:58 am
But a levitating Al-Quran is?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on December 12, 2015, 11:18:08 am
Why is it that every single illegal wants to kill the white folks?  :(

Quote
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 12, 2015, 11:20:05 am
But a levitating Al-Quran is?  :hmm:

It could be.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 12, 2015, 11:44:41 am
My niece's husband:

Quote
11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!

Is that even a real story?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2015, 11:46:59 am
Of course not. A quick Google search says that it's been around for at least 8 years, probably longer. He has plenty anti-Islam/pro gun self-defense stuff on his wall.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tonitrus on December 12, 2015, 11:57:25 am
My niece's husband:

Quote
11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!

Is that even a real story?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 12, 2015, 12:06:17 pm
But a levitating Al-Quran is?  :hmm:

It could be.

If you say so, I will take your word for it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 07:32:57 pm
Did the confederate guy really lick windows?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2015, 08:59:45 pm
The weirdest thing was the Confederate flag was never even banned. There have been calls to remove it as symbols of state governments. That's it. I think Walmart stopped selling it for minute.

But somehow they are determined that is was banned.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 12, 2015, 09:55:02 pm
The weirdest thing was the Confederate flag was never even banned. There have been calls to remove it as symbols of state governments. That's it. I think Walmart stopped selling it for minute.

But somehow they are determined that is was banned.

What do facts and logic have to do with the "like and share" crowd?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2015, 11:13:30 pm
The weirdest thing was the Confederate flag was never even banned. There have been calls to remove it as symbols of state governments. That's it. I think Walmart stopped selling it for minute.

But somehow they are determined that is was banned.

What do facts and logic have to do with the "like and share" crowd?

I'm more concerned with this apparent "lick and share" crowd.  That's just not sanitary.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 13, 2015, 02:05:54 am
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

Meh, he's a silly fool.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 13, 2015, 02:06:33 am
The weirdest thing was the Confederate flag was never even banned. There have been calls to remove it as symbols of state governments. That's it. I think Walmart stopped selling it for minute.

But somehow they are determined that is was banned.

What do facts and logic have to do with the "like and share" crowd?

I'm more concerned with this apparent "lick and share" crowd.  That's just not sanitary.

Isn't that how one sends a letter? :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 13, 2015, 07:32:15 am
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/t31.0-8/12363167_10207693231270873_2117147382596375052_o.jpg)

Anti-FN humour at its finest! :)

To avoid excessive queueing in polling places on Sunday, FN voters are to vote Monday.
Thanks for telling them
.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 13, 2015, 08:02:39 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10408593_998024573577327_2077098125651305620_n.jpg?oh=5cf6b363d489ad3474295c78d9f35e32&oe=56E51E2E&__gda__=1458076484_b4c677792f9da0155335b388c0e2d6b0)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 13, 2015, 10:53:38 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12243035_1173818489299673_4393898934337311309_n.jpg?oh=7dfc6c8b0247c691b8959fef5ab0b77c&oe=56DA86CC&__gda__=1461780273_290ed3b6da9e5124492440c33691197b)

It wouldn't be so bad if this wasn't stuff that could be debunked by 5 seconds of googling this shit. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 13, 2015, 10:57:07 am
Eather? Comic Sans?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2015, 01:42:50 pm


It wouldn't be so bad if this wasn't stuff that could be debunked by 5 seconds of googling this shit. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp)

Well, by their own admission they don't know how to share documents, you really can't expect much from them.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 13, 2015, 02:16:29 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10857964_833023136741488_7600895376697493181_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=bda7b81f96b0ce324ac2476ca63ce951&oe=56E679AB)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 13, 2015, 02:33:35 pm
Sounds like a hoax.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 13, 2015, 02:38:41 pm
Sounds like a hoax.
It is.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on December 13, 2015, 02:42:18 pm
Sounds like a hoax.
It is.

High school kids everywhere ... stop celebrating.  :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 13, 2015, 03:31:43 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10857964_833023136741488_7600895376697493181_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=bda7b81f96b0ce324ac2476ca63ce951&oe=56E679AB)

This was funnier when it came out ten years ago.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2015, 03:37:54 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10857964_833023136741488_7600895376697493181_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=bda7b81f96b0ce324ac2476ca63ce951&oe=56E679AB)

This was funnier when it came out ten years ago was chiseled on a Roman wall in the Forum.

FYP
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 13, 2015, 04:00:44 pm
Not having facebook or access to much other social media, I wonder if I could get away with just cross posting some of my usual Languish posts in this thread?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 13, 2015, 04:11:26 pm
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

So, how's your book coming along? A few more NaNoWriMos and you should be set.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 13, 2015, 04:20:45 pm
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

So, how's your book coming along? A few more NaNoWriMos and you should be set.

You've hit tired, old hag stage. Your bite is like gumming. :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 13, 2015, 04:21:44 pm
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

So, how's your book coming along? A few more NaNoWriMos and you should be set.

C-, Martinus is easily distracted in class, he really must ignore the playground distractions and instead concentrate on the work at hand.
This submission lacked originality and recycles themes I've read many times before in his assignments. If Martinus is to pass this class and go onto study invective at at higher academic level, he needs to broaden the range of his source material and have a graduated ranges of responses available to use at the appropriate level in class discussions.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 13, 2015, 04:24:59 pm
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 13, 2015, 04:27:17 pm
Besides I am really interested about his book. Few years ago it seemed like it was the highlight of Syt's life. I hope he did not abandon it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 13, 2015, 04:47:02 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 13, 2015, 04:49:15 pm
Mongers is a tough grader, that's some B+ quality trolling there.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2015, 05:00:14 pm
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There is really something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 13, 2015, 05:05:42 pm
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There is really something wrong with you.

Dog ate homework?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2015, 06:32:37 pm
The weirdest thing was the Confederate flag was never even banned. There have been calls to remove it as symbols of state governments. That's it. I think Walmart stopped selling it for minute.

But somehow they are determined that is was banned.

What do facts and logic have to do with the "like and share" crowd?

I'm more concerned with this apparent "lick and share" crowd.  That's just not sanitary.

Isn't that how one sends a letter? :unsure:

Who does that anymore?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 13, 2015, 06:53:43 pm
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

So, how's your book coming along? A few more NaNoWriMos and you should be set.

You've hit tired, old hag stage. Your bite is like gumming. :(

A bit like Gollum fondling an old rotten potato. MAH PRECIOUS.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 14, 2015, 12:30:45 am
I thought unbanning Mart was a mistake, and every day he posts I'm confirmed in that belief. He has little to add to the forum except bile, ignorance, arrogance, egotism, and lack of empathy well beyond other posters' "achievements".

So, how's your book coming along? A few more NaNoWriMos and you should be set.

Writing hasn't been on my to do list for, oh, some time now.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 14, 2015, 02:08:53 am
Not having facebook or access to much other social media, I wonder if I could get away with just cross posting some of my usual Languish posts in this thread?  :hmm:

No, you may not.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 14, 2015, 02:22:43 am
You may, however, make up facebook posts to add to this thread.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 14, 2015, 03:00:06 am
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There was a rush to make a retort? Pretty sure it had been quite some time since Syt''s comment. :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 14, 2015, 03:13:43 am
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There was a rush to make a retort? Pretty sure it had been quite some time since Syt''s comment. :huh:

He had to say something while his feelings were still hurt.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 14, 2015, 03:59:11 am
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There was a rush to make a retort? Pretty sure it had been quite some time since Syt''s comment. :huh:

I was in a rush to do something else but could not leave the comment unanswered once I saw it, as it would bug me otherwise.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 14, 2015, 05:28:20 am
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12342439_10207967582569701_7033075705631089078_n.jpg?oh=3d7333dd2a0641137dd188a9c422bf42&oe=57219409)

Back to topic. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 14, 2015, 05:54:49 am
Not a meme, but my Facebook is flooded with a youtube clip of Will Smith and Muhamma Ali saying that Islam is not evil. I am not sure if a scientologist and a brain dead boxer are really convincing on this.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 14, 2015, 06:20:56 am
I only had a few seconds to come up with that...

There was a rush to make a retort? Pretty sure it had been quite some time since Syt''s comment. :huh:

I was in a rush to do something else but could not leave the comment unanswered once I saw it, as it would bug me otherwise.

The thing to remember, when you have dug yourself into a hole like this, is that you really need to STOP DIGGING.  Arguing that you posted like an obnoxious asshole because you were pressed for time and too obsessive-compulsive to let it go does not advance your cause.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Monoriu on December 14, 2015, 07:17:15 am
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2015, 08:39:01 am
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Bit of a drag on the collective IQ, though.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 14, 2015, 08:42:44 am
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2015, 09:00:09 am
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?

Nah, he's just subservient like that.  If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be the greatest person on the board according to Mono.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Monoriu on December 14, 2015, 07:12:13 pm
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?

Nah, he's just subservient like that.  If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be the greatest person on the board according to Mono.

Only if you give me, say, a quarter of your winnings :contract:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 14, 2015, 07:19:26 pm
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?

Nah, he's just subservient like that.  If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be the greatest person on the board according to Mono.

Only if you give me, say, a quarter of your winnings :contract:

That is a poor investment.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2015, 07:42:35 pm
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?

Nah, he's just subservient like that.  If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be the greatest person on the board according to Mono.

Only if you give me, say, a quarter of your winnings :contract:

That is a poor investment.

I could buy a whole cargo container of Chinese people for 50k.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 14, 2015, 07:43:46 pm
Martinus has one of the highest incomes on this forum.  His presence has helped lift our GDP and per capita GDP immensely  :bowler:

Are you suggesting we start paying taxes to make that relevant in any way?

Nah, he's just subservient like that.  If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be the greatest person on the board according to Mono.

Only if you give me, say, a quarter of your winnings :contract:

That is a poor investment.

I could buy a whole cargo container of Chinese people for 50k.

I can get 16 year old Vietnamese girls cheaper.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2015, 07:46:05 pm
Yeah, especially if you show up with CdM.  They give discount for returning customers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 14, 2015, 07:47:33 pm
He would sample too much of the merchandise.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 14, 2015, 09:15:25 pm
Get back on topic please.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 14, 2015, 09:23:13 pm
(http://www.funnymemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cat-memes-talk-to-your-cat-about-hitler.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 15, 2015, 06:43:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/DjwxxKd.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 16, 2015, 04:02:49 am
I saw that posted on Twitter, I like it. Ukrainians know good drama.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tyr on December 16, 2015, 05:23:49 am
This thread makes me sad
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 16, 2015, 05:25:06 am
Why?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tyr on December 16, 2015, 05:33:58 am
So much stupid
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 16, 2015, 05:57:30 am
So much stupid

Stupid people need friends and family too.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 16, 2015, 07:39:13 am
If mum found Facebook, it'd be a mess. I've only recently managed to teach her how to open an email and use public TV streaming.

And I have myself to blame, as I was the one who gave her a pad for Christmas.

How she managed to turn the language settings to Swedish and download a shit ton of apps in Swedish, is beyond me.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 08:24:39 am
Norwegian, Swedish.... What is the difference?

Bork bork bork.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 08:28:40 am
How she managed to turn the language settings to Swedish and download a shit ton of apps in Swedish, is beyond me.

:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 16, 2015, 08:33:07 am
My mum - Where even Apple products seem hard to understand.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 08:40:25 am
I get tech support calls from my dad. So I have to drive 20 minutes one way every time something fucks up to fix it.

Facebook not working? House call.
Ask.com toolbar showing up? House call.
Internet acting weird? House call.
Blue screen of death? House call.

The record is 4 trips in one day.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 08:43:07 am
My parents got their first computer in the 70s. My Dad is really good with them but somehow my mom, despite using computers constantly for over 40 years, is still shockingly incompetent.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 16, 2015, 08:45:54 am
My Mom refuses to operate computers. She will program her VCR, will learn how to run her cable box and microwave, can handle a power drill, and can do electrode welding. But computers? Too complicated!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 08:47:03 am
What is a VCR?  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 16, 2015, 08:53:42 am
I get tech support calls from my dad. So I have to drive 20 minutes one way every time something fucks up to fix it.

Facebook not working? House call.
Ask.com toolbar showing up? House call.
Internet acting weird? House call.
Blue screen of death? House call.

The record is 4 trips in one day.

Java was a constant with the older online banking systems here. So my almost blind stepdad downloaded new versions like he should. And installed Ask.com toolbars too.
If it hadn't been such a nuisance in the past, I'd almost miss Ask toolbars now.
With his free Win 10 upgrade, my stepdad was lost. "WHERE'S MY EMAIL??". Try pressing the icon for email. NO IT IS NOT EMAIL MY EMAIL IS ON THE INTERNET.
I really, really had sympathy and love for those poor people who work helpdesks.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on December 16, 2015, 09:50:56 am
I get tech support calls from my dad. So I have to drive 20 minutes one way every time something fucks up to fix it.

Facebook not working? House call.
Ask.com toolbar showing up? House call.
Internet acting weird? House call.
Blue screen of death? House call.

The record is 4 trips in one day.

It's nice that you're spending so much quality time together :hug:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on December 16, 2015, 11:26:52 am
I get tech support calls from my dad. So I have to drive 20 minutes one way every time something fucks up to fix it.

Facebook not working? House call.
Ask.com toolbar showing up? House call.
Internet acting weird? House call.
Blue screen of death? House call.

The record is 4 trips in one day.
I get to do that over phone, spent 5 hours once trying to go through steps explaining how to operate a laptop. :weep:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 16, 2015, 11:55:48 am
Just for the shits and giggles, I am considering giving mum EU IV for Christmas.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 16, 2015, 12:31:12 pm
Just for the shits and giggles, I am considering giving mum EU IV for Christmas.

Some fringe US pro-lifers will be happy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 16, 2015, 12:32:20 pm
The what now, mongers?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 16, 2015, 12:34:30 pm
The what now, mongers?

I read it as socialist European fertility treatment.  :D


edit:
Maybe a largely British thing, but over here it's invariable referred to as IV (Eye-V), so that's what I first 'thought', despite it paradoxically being Languish.   :blush:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on December 16, 2015, 02:33:06 pm
I don't get phone calls, but often when my dad comes by he'll have his MacBook in tow and will want me to help him fix something on it.  It's his "business" MacBook - he does some freelance newspaper design and layout work on it.

1: My dad has been using Macs for publishing ever since the damn things came out.  How can, after 30 years, he not know how to do some of this stuff?

2: He doesn't ask me "how do I get my email" instead it's "I'm having some licensing issues with my copy of Adobe Illustrator".  What the fuck do I know about Adobe Illustrator?

So sometimes I get him helped out, sometimes I don't.  But I'm always :unsure: why he even asks me...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 16, 2015, 05:07:19 pm
Obviously he just wants to spent some time with his son, haven't TV taught you this?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 07:17:14 pm
I get tech support calls from my dad. So I have to drive 20 minutes one way every time something fucks up to fix it.

Facebook not working? House call.
Ask.com toolbar showing up? House call.
Internet acting weird? House call.
Blue screen of death? House call.

The record is 4 trips in one day.

It's nice that you're spending so much quality time together :hug:

By quality time, you mean profanity laced tirades aimed at Microshit for their shitty operating system.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on December 16, 2015, 07:21:03 pm
My mother used to do that with me, but in a really odd way. I minored in psychology during my university years. Every time someone in the family did something she couldn't figure out, she'd call me for a psychoanalysis, despite how many times I told her it was a minor, I mostly studied just the history of psychology and I wasn't a therapist. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 16, 2015, 08:04:21 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 08:24:30 pm
Oh god. My dad is on the phone right now reading facebook posts to me.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 16, 2015, 08:26:20 pm
Oh god. My dad is on the phone right now reading facebook posts to me.

 :cry:

Do your duty.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on December 16, 2015, 08:34:40 pm
Oh god. My dad is on the phone right now reading facebook posts to me.

 :cry:

Do your duty.

JAHWOL
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 17, 2015, 02:21:25 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 17, 2015, 02:45:32 am
I've met Randy Weaver at gun shows. Twice.

I didn't buy his book either time.

That garbage is par for the course, but most of the people who go are making fun of it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 19, 2015, 12:39:21 am
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11391425_1097662366914863_5917112031798496619_n.jpg?oh=dca8014924edc4fcf5883493ffd24f84&oe=56D87013&__gda__=1461356332_715918daf3d714b837a26c443e860052)

The last picture being a photoshop (used to read "every time he leaves the house."), but my sister and her friends took it seriously.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 19, 2015, 12:42:21 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 20, 2015, 12:37:31 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 20, 2015, 12:58:31 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 20, 2015, 10:14:53 am
$900 Billion??

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12241492_466929936825334_2278491887863663007_n.jpg?oh=d65c862c3a7f7fa1747f336b1e368f37&oe=56D7C4B4&__gda__=1461577534_c7abdac3a11f2670b0a42753ef97846e)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 20, 2015, 10:18:35 am
;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Iormlund on December 20, 2015, 12:42:02 pm
My parents got their first computer in the 70s. My Dad is really good with them but somehow my mom, despite using computers constantly for over 40 years, is still shockingly incompetent.

Dad is an electrical engineer. Worked with NCR mainframes back in the day. Has had a computer ever since he bought our first in the late 80s.

He has yet to figure out how to install shit in another partition than C:.   :huh::hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 20, 2015, 04:29:34 pm
$900 Billion??

More like $900 bazillion, amirite?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 20, 2015, 05:26:20 pm
My parents got their first computer in the 70s. My Dad is really good with them but somehow my mom, despite using computers constantly for over 40 years, is still shockingly incompetent.

Dad is an electrical engineer. Worked with NCR mainframes back in the day. Has had a computer ever since he bought our first in the late 80s.

He has yet to figure out how to install shit in another partition than C:.   :huh: :hmm:

My dad was a computer programmer since the early 1980's.  Still clueless with PCs.  He always had this arrogant attitude that PCs would never replace mainframes with dumb terminals.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on December 20, 2015, 07:49:21 pm
Quote
My dad was a computer programmer since the early 1980's.  Still clueless with PCs.  He always had this arrogant attitude that PCs would never replace mainframes with dumb terminals.
Except for the interlude between say 1985 and 2010 he was right. Except these days it's called cloud and user device instead of mainframe and terminal.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 21, 2015, 03:37:18 pm
 :XD:

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on December 21, 2015, 03:59:50 pm
:XD:

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:pinch:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 21, 2015, 04:00:53 pm
Weird Mexican.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on December 26, 2015, 06:04:19 pm
Hmm.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on December 27, 2015, 11:33:56 pm
All the people cutting and pasting the supposed Zuckerberg millions he is going to give away to lucky Facebook members :bleeding:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on December 28, 2015, 01:43:06 am
All the people cutting and pasting the supposed Zuckerberg millions he is going to give away to lucky Facebook members :bleeding:

If true wouldn't the winning chance be even lower than lottery?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 28, 2015, 02:40:58 am
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/2977_929088233846777_2409657852388115631_n.jpg?oh=62789c5c72093ef9fddcf8b0a8ff76a9&oe=57215CD2&__gda__=1461403644_de7448da079cfe803eb8b9397783ff39)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 28, 2015, 02:45:09 am
Did one of our sisters really post this on Facebook?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 28, 2015, 02:47:52 am
The first yes, the second was in the commentaries.

Still funny, because she and her family lived off welfare for much of the 90s and early 00s.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 28, 2015, 02:56:32 am
How does this Facebook thing work?  Does everyone in the world see what a shameless racist you are, or does this stay within close circle of friends?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 28, 2015, 03:10:47 am
Depends on your privacy settings and how you flag the post. In this case the post is only visible to other friends. For me, I differentiate between work, family, and (close) friends, though I consider making a second work only account.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on December 28, 2015, 03:21:05 am
Let me guess she's also one of those that denies there is racism in the American conservative movement and the real racists are the liberals.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on December 28, 2015, 04:59:00 am
Section 8? She doesn't look like army material.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on December 29, 2015, 01:55:10 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on December 29, 2015, 06:48:45 am
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an extinguisher is a good guy with an extinguisher? :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on December 29, 2015, 11:50:11 am
Try playing Russian Roullette with a fire extinguisher! Or threatening an asshole neighbor.  Can't be done.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 29, 2015, 11:56:10 am
Try playing Russian Roullette with a fire extinguisher! ...  Can't be done.

Sure it can. Take 6 fire extinguishers, empty one out, mix them up, take one home with you, then start a fire.  :showoff:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on December 29, 2015, 06:01:37 pm
I think you could threaten to beat someone with an extinguisher.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 29, 2015, 06:08:09 pm
I think you could threaten to beat someone with an extinguisher.

You could certainly put out the last lingering flame of a relationship with one.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Caliga on December 30, 2015, 01:47:12 pm
A bunch of idiots on my friends list fell for that "LOL Zuck is giving away a huge share of Facebook to random ppl!!!!" thing.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on December 30, 2015, 03:07:20 pm
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Ah false equivalency. I am terrified to think how large of a percentage our current political dialog consists of. Both sides just love it to death.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on December 30, 2015, 06:20:13 pm
Ah false equivalency. I am terrified to think how large of a percentage our current political dialog consists of. Both sides just love it to death.
:yes: That and golden mean fallacy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on December 31, 2015, 05:19:28 am
Facebook offers some very good reasons to be pro-abortion rights. Or, actually, make them compulsory.

I have a couple of you guys on my list, and believe me, you are intelligent and charming compared to some others.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on December 31, 2015, 07:01:04 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on December 31, 2015, 07:16:20 pm

Well I laughed.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tyr on January 01, 2016, 04:19:32 pm
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How many people actually have fire extinguishers at home?
I've never seen them outside of a businesses, schools, etc....
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 01, 2016, 04:25:09 pm
It's really a good idea to have one for your home.  They can get a decent one for about 50 bucks.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on January 01, 2016, 05:17:00 pm
It's really a good idea to have one for your home.  They can get a decent one for about 50 bucks.

This.

And fire blankets, especially if you can't afford a fire extinguisher; fire blankets are as cheap as chips, say $5-$10, no reason not to have several in a house, one each in the kitchen, garage etc. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Iormlund on January 02, 2016, 08:52:43 am
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How many people actually have fire extinguishers at home?
I've never seen them outside of a businesses, schools, etc....

There's one in the hall (I live in a flat).

It comes handy, trust me. I've actually witnessed my mom and sis put out a fire with one.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 02, 2016, 08:58:39 am
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WAL-MART VS. THE MORONS (NOT A JOKE)

I know lots of folks don't like Wal-Mart, but this is fascinating.

This is spot-on.

PLEASE, READ THIS TO THE END. IT IS VERY INTERESTING!!!

Wal-Mart vs. The Morons

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March
17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco

K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private
employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and
keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought
bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are
Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur
at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.
You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground
work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart
to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans… Democrats,
Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
it is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:

a. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234
years to get it right and it is broke.

b. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to
get it right and it is broke.

c. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get
it right and it is broke.

d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.

e. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44
years to get it right and they are broke.

f. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get
it right and it is broke.

g. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our
dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get
it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars.

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED
WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Folks, keep this circulating. It is very well stated. Maybe it will end
up in the e-mails of some of our "duly elected' (they never read anything)
and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.

AND

I know what's wrong. We have lost our minds to "Political Correctness"
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone please tell me what is wrong with all the people that
run this country!!!!!!

We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless
etc. and the last months we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile, and Turkey and now
Pakistan ( the previous home of bin Laden). literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do
they get any breaks.

AMERICA: a country where we have homeless without shelter, children
going to bed hungry, elderly going without needed medicines, and mentally ill
without treatment, etc.

Imagine if the GOVERNMENT gave U. S. the same support they give to
other countries. Sad isn't it?

*99% of the people receiving this message won't have the guts to forward this.

*I'm one of the 1% -- I Just Did
BEING UNITED SAVES AMERICA!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2016, 10:29:56 am
It's really a good idea to have one for your home.  They can get a decent one for about 50 bucks.

I live in a shitty condo that I will have to sell at a loss...I hope the damn place burns down. Is it a good idea for me to buy a fire extinguisher?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 02, 2016, 10:48:10 am
A lot of your stuff would burn with it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2016, 10:59:08 am
It's really a good idea to have one for your home.  They can get a decent one for about 50 bucks.

I live in a shitty condo that I will have to sell at a loss...I hope the damn place burns down. Is it a good idea for me to buy a fire extinguisher?

Yes.  Fire insurance can be a bitch.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2016, 11:00:28 am
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WAL-MART VS. THE MORONS (NOT A JOKE)



And, we've had an army since the 18th century and there are still countries that don't like us!  What a waste of money!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2016, 11:01:47 am
A lot of your stuff would burn with it.

Good. 90% of my stuff I plan to get rid of in the coming months.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on January 02, 2016, 11:45:38 am
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How many people actually have fire extinguishers at home?
I've never seen them outside of a businesses, schools, etc....

The what now?
I think you will find most houses have them. I certainly have two.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2016, 07:22:40 pm
We really should make a note of this: Tyr is vulnerable to fire based attacks.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on January 03, 2016, 08:23:04 am
We really should make a note of this: Tyr is vulnerable to fire based attacks.

 :lol:

When you're funny, you're funny, Raz.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on January 03, 2016, 09:17:38 am
It's really a good idea to have one for your home.  They can get a decent one for about 50 bucks.

I live in a shitty condo that I will have to sell at a loss...I hope the damn place burns down. Is it a good idea for me to buy a fire extinguisher?
Once this post comes to light yo u may not get off as easy as you'd hope.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 06, 2016, 02:44:39 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 06, 2016, 03:01:12 am
Is anyone paying attention?

Sometimes I find it troubling or weird that I know so much about what goes on in America. I recognize all the people on the picture and know the references (except the Indian) but I really don't care about most of them. :hmm:

I blame Jon Stewart, it might just be better now that he's gone as they've stopped sending The Daily Show here after he left.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 06, 2016, 03:09:20 am
I'm at at loss to figure out what those are actually about.  Al  Gore never claimed to be a scientist and Bill Clinton is still someone's husband.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 06, 2016, 03:18:26 am
I'm at at loss to figure out what those are actually about.  Al  Gore never claimed to be a scientist and Bill Clinton is still someone's husband.

I'm assuming it's because he presented scientific facts in a documentary once and because Bill has been around the block. Is it stupid? Sure, but have we come to expect anything else from Syt's family? :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2016, 03:49:50 am
The Indian is Elizabeth Warren.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 06, 2016, 04:10:39 am
Syt's family should have their own reality TV show  :cool:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on January 06, 2016, 04:23:04 am
Syt's family should have their own reality TV show  :cool:
From descriptions by Syt, i think it was done already. Look up "Here comes Honey Boo Boo" :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 06, 2016, 04:26:32 am
 :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 06, 2016, 04:27:32 am
Also, this is the kind of stuff my oldest sister likes to repost. :bleeding:

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on January 06, 2016, 07:44:29 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 06, 2016, 09:38:53 am
I think it is fair to say that Syt is the brains of that family  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 06, 2016, 09:40:08 am
My gay nephews seem pretty normal.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 06, 2016, 12:20:56 pm
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d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.

What was the expectation here? The poverty level has been roughly half what it was in 1964 consistently ever since this initiative was started? :hmm: Were we supposed to make the poverty rate zero? For people with little faith in the government they sure do have unrealistic expectations on what can be accomplished.

I especially like going after the USPS, which is run as a veterans pension scheme really, while at the same time attacking the government for not doing more for Veterans. FIRE ALL THOSE VETERANS...but do more for them. And they wonder why government policy is so confused :P

Anyway what is this article claiming? That Wal-Mart should be providing health care? Though if somebody wants to deliver packages cheaper than USPS that would be great. FedEx and UPS are such rip offs.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 07, 2016, 04:08:40 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 07, 2016, 06:22:41 am
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If you think the Cologne incidence is a refugee issue, think again. Yes, they were probably Arabic/Muslim originated and yes, I wouldn't mind for them to be banished from Germany but I also would want all the other thousands of blond, blue eyed Christian men to be banished, who daily rape and attack women in Germany and who no-one hardly ever speaks about.

It's been a while. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on January 07, 2016, 08:45:22 am
I feel the rest of us should be pulling our weight in this thread, as Syt's relatives seem to be single handedly keeping it afloat.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 07, 2016, 08:51:17 am
Germans are in great shape today, specially helped by British tabloids:

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Return of the Luftwaffe: Germany sends 'Iron Cross' Tornado jets to defeat ISIS

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GERMANY has sent two 'Iron Cross' Tornado jets to help in the war against Islamic State, in one of the country's most significant military deployments since the end of the Second World War.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/625761/German-jets-defeat-Islamic-State-Luftwaffe-Tornado-jets?_ga=1.172365796.613692065.1449673374 (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/625761/German-jets-defeat-Islamic-State-Luftwaffe-Tornado-jets?_ga=1.172365796.613692065.1449673374)

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This is against the constitution of Germany who shall never participate in any kind of war.We'll have situations similar to France any time given and then I can't even go over any longer for a visit.

Germany = Switzerland or Japan?  :hmm: :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 07, 2016, 09:26:12 am
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Who is this that is confiscating all the guns that is leading to this constant stream of memes?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 07, 2016, 09:50:48 am
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I guess the author didn't notice that Clint plays a criminal in that movie.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 07, 2016, 02:13:33 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Archy on January 07, 2016, 03:13:03 pm
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I LOL'ed   :blush:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 09, 2016, 02:32:49 am
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Facts. (For those of you who are interested.)
Algerian? Moroccan? Iraqi? Oh even American. Yeah thanks France, Britain, and USA for your imperialism, now Germany has to carry the can.

Context:  Köln New Year's Eve attacks and figures reported in the German press.

No mention that 18 of the 29 foreign perpetrators (out of 31) were asylum seekers.  :hmm: No clue about any "second generation" status or not for the remaining two.


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Nach Angaben des Bundesinnenministerium hat die Bundespolizei bislang 31 namentlich bekannte Tatverdächtige festgestellt, davon hätten 29 eine ausländische und zwei die deutsche Staatsbürgerschaft. Wie ein Sprecher des Ministeriums am Freitag in Berlin mitteilte, wurden neben den beiden Deutschen neun algerische, acht marokkanische, vier syrische, fünf iranische, ein irakischer, ein serbischer und ein US-amerikanischer Tatverdächtiger ermittelt. 18 der 29 Ausländer hätten den Status als Asylbewerber. Die gegen sie erhobenen Vorwürfe beziehen sich überwiegend auf Diebstahls- und Körperverletzungsdelikte. Sexualdelikte seien bisher nicht mit den Asylbewerbern in Verbindung gebracht worden, sagte der Ministeriumssprecher.

from http://taz.de/Polizeibericht-zu-Uebergriffen-in-Koeln/!5263344/ (http://taz.de/Polizeibericht-zu-Uebergriffen-in-Koeln/!5263344/)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 09, 2016, 12:25:49 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 09, 2016, 12:33:02 pm
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If you don't share this you're not American. The statue is hand carved and is a monument for Chris kyle
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 09, 2016, 12:34:16 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on January 09, 2016, 12:36:35 pm
Is Chris Kyle someone I should know?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on January 09, 2016, 12:37:46 pm
Is Chris Kyle someone I should know?
the movie American Sniper is based on his book. Does that mean you should know him, not necessarily.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 09, 2016, 12:43:51 pm
Is Chris Kyle someone I should know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on January 09, 2016, 12:50:51 pm
Is Chris Kyle someone I should know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle
So they gave a handgun to someone they knew was insane and he then shot them dead? That wasn't very smart of them...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 09, 2016, 01:10:04 pm
Is Chris Kyle someone I should know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle
So they gave a handgun to someone they knew was insane and he then shot them dead? That wasn't very smart of them...

You hate freedom and the 2nd Amendment. :( ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 09, 2016, 03:08:11 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 10, 2016, 01:39:38 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 10, 2016, 01:41:35 am
Sounds like an excellent plan!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 10, 2016, 11:32:57 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on January 10, 2016, 11:37:26 am
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I don't fully understand this.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 10, 2016, 11:43:20 am
The Boner or the poop?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on January 10, 2016, 12:46:19 pm
The logic.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 10, 2016, 07:13:43 pm
The logic.

What, you think that there is more than one "English version" of the bible?  Preposterous!

Don't try to apply logic to bumper-sticker thinking.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 11, 2016, 12:16:31 am
http://conservativetribune.com/muslim-welfare-queen-judge/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_content=2016-01-10&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Muslim “Welfare Queen” Refuses to Remove Headscarf in Court… Judge Puts Her in Her Place

Muslim immigrant Rania El-Alloul had a rude awakening in a Montreal court when she showed up wearing her Islamic head covering.

Arrogantly assuming that the court would bow to her beliefs, she was told by Quebec Judge Eliana Marengo that if she wanted to be heard she would have to remove her hajib.

“The courtroom is a secular place and a secular space,” said Marengo. “There are no religious symbols in this room. Not on the walls and not on the persons.”

The judge went on to say that she would not hear anyone that appeared wearing a hat or sunglasses either.

“I will therefore not hear you if you are wearing a scarf on your head,” Marengo said.

When asked if she would remove the headscarf so that the court could continue, El-Alloul declined.

“Actually I cannot remove my scarf,” said El-Alloul. “Since long years I’m wearing my scarf.”

El-Alloul then started to give the judge excuses that she was poor, on welfare and a mother of three on her own, but the judge would hear none of it.

“That’s not what I’m talking about,” said Marengo in reference to the excuses.

The judge told her that she would not be hearing her case and that she could consult a lawyer.

El-Alloul was appearing before the court to try to get back her car, which had been impounded after police discovered her son driving it without a license (H/T Mad World News).

Of the incident, El-Alloul says that she now lives in fear. “What happened in the court made me afraid. I felt that I’m not Canadian anymore,” she said.

Just as liberal secular humanists don’t want to be judged under Christian principals, people of other religions must understand that they don’t get a special pass either.

Immigrants to another nation should be ready to assimilate to their chosen country’s laws, language and culture if they wish to live there.

Please share this article on Facebook and Twitter if you agree that Muslims must follow the laws of the country in which they choose to live.

I wonder if my sister and her husband would have shared this if this was about her wearing a cross pendant instead. :hmm: What is the judge going to do if there's a Sikh with a turban?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 11, 2016, 12:47:37 am
Wow, Quebec does indeed seem to be inhabited by racist assholes. I thought it was just on Languish.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 11, 2016, 12:49:06 am
I wonder if my sister and her husband would have shared this if this was about her wearing a cross pendant instead. :hmm: What is the judge going to do if there's a Sikh with a turban?

Or a Catholic priest being ordered to remove his cassock.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on January 11, 2016, 12:55:00 am
Wow, Quebec does indeed seem to be inhabited by racist assholes. I thought it was just on Languish.

Okay Mr. "Its fun to be racist."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on January 11, 2016, 05:04:29 am
You can't have cossacks in a courtroom.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 11, 2016, 07:11:40 am
I guess "reasonable accommodation" doesn't translate into Quebecois.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 11, 2016, 07:36:45 am
Btw, further investigation reveals that this is a news story from March of last year, and that the welfare queen refused to accept $50,000 that a crowdfunding campaign collected for her so she could buy a new car. I don't seem to be able to find if there were any repercussions for either her or the judge otherwise.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on January 11, 2016, 08:38:38 am
http://conservativetribune.com/muslim-welfare-queen-judge/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_content=2016-01-10&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Muslim “Welfare Queen” Refuses to Remove Headscarf in Court… Judge Puts Her in Her Place

Muslim immigrant Rania El-Alloul had a rude awakening in a Montreal court when she showed up wearing her Islamic head covering.

Arrogantly assuming that the court would bow to her beliefs, she was told by Quebec Judge Eliana Marengo that if she wanted to be heard she would have to remove her hajib.

“The courtroom is a secular place and a secular space,” said Marengo. “There are no religious symbols in this room. Not on the walls and not on the persons.”

The judge went on to say that she would not hear anyone that appeared wearing a hat or sunglasses either.

“I will therefore not hear you if you are wearing a scarf on your head,” Marengo said.

When asked if she would remove the headscarf so that the court could continue, El-Alloul declined.

“Actually I cannot remove my scarf,” said El-Alloul. “Since long years I’m wearing my scarf.”

El-Alloul then started to give the judge excuses that she was poor, on welfare and a mother of three on her own, but the judge would hear none of it.

“That’s not what I’m talking about,” said Marengo in reference to the excuses.

The judge told her that she would not be hearing her case and that she could consult a lawyer.

El-Alloul was appearing before the court to try to get back her car, which had been impounded after police discovered her son driving it without a license (H/T Mad World News).

Of the incident, El-Alloul says that she now lives in fear. “What happened in the court made me afraid. I felt that I’m not Canadian anymore,” she said.

Just as liberal secular humanists don’t want to be judged under Christian principals, people of other religions must understand that they don’t get a special pass either.

Immigrants to another nation should be ready to assimilate to their chosen country’s laws, language and culture if they wish to live there.

Please share this article on Facebook and Twitter if you agree that Muslims must follow the laws of the country in which they choose to live.

I wonder if my sister and her husband would have shared this if this was about her wearing a cross pendant instead. :hmm: What is the judge going to do if there's a Sikh with a turban?

It depends on the judge really but told to take it off.

You guys really don't understand what Secular anti-clericalism means, eh.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 11, 2016, 08:41:32 am
It depends on the judge really but told to take it off.

You guys really don't understand what Secular anti-clericalism means, eh.

Yep. It is kind of funny to see Christian fundies cheering on their mortal foes when they go after the other religions though. What is that saying about how religious people and Atheists can at least agree 99.99% of religions are wrong?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 11, 2016, 09:02:10 am
You guys really don't understand what Secular anti-clericalism means, eh.

Of course we understand what it means, and understand the intolerance that drives it.  Anti-clericalism is not some special brand of intolerance that outsiders can't understand.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 11, 2016, 09:03:58 am
Yep. It is kind of funny to see Christian fundies cheering on their mortal foes when they go after the other religions though. What is that saying about how religious people and Atheists can at least agree 99.99% of religions are wrong?

Indeed.  The people who wrote this were likely exploding in rage when that judge was told to take the Ten Commandments off the wall of his courthouse.  Of course, they then elected him to be the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 12, 2016, 08:59:08 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on January 12, 2016, 09:35:05 am
http://conservativetribune.com/muslim-welfare-queen-judge/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_content=2016-01-10&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Muslim “Welfare Queen” Refuses to Remove Headscarf in Court… Judge Puts Her in Her Place

Muslim immigrant Rania El-Alloul had a rude awakening in a Montreal court when she showed up wearing her Islamic head covering.

Arrogantly assuming that the court would bow to her beliefs, she was told by Quebec Judge Eliana Marengo that if she wanted to be heard she would have to remove her hajib.

“The courtroom is a secular place and a secular space,” said Marengo. “There are no religious symbols in this room. Not on the walls and not on the persons.”

The judge went on to say that she would not hear anyone that appeared wearing a hat or sunglasses either.

“I will therefore not hear you if you are wearing a scarf on your head,” Marengo said.

When asked if she would remove the headscarf so that the court could continue, El-Alloul declined.

“Actually I cannot remove my scarf,” said El-Alloul. “Since long years I’m wearing my scarf.”

El-Alloul then started to give the judge excuses that she was poor, on welfare and a mother of three on her own, but the judge would hear none of it.

“That’s not what I’m talking about,” said Marengo in reference to the excuses.

The judge told her that she would not be hearing her case and that she could consult a lawyer.

El-Alloul was appearing before the court to try to get back her car, which had been impounded after police discovered her son driving it without a license (H/T Mad World News).

Of the incident, El-Alloul says that she now lives in fear. “What happened in the court made me afraid. I felt that I’m not Canadian anymore,” she said.

Just as liberal secular humanists don’t want to be judged under Christian principals, people of other religions must understand that they don’t get a special pass either.

Immigrants to another nation should be ready to assimilate to their chosen country’s laws, language and culture if they wish to live there.

Please share this article on Facebook and Twitter if you agree that Muslims must follow the laws of the country in which they choose to live.

I wonder if my sister and her husband would have shared this if this was about her wearing a cross pendant instead. :hmm: What is the judge going to do if there's a Sikh with a turban?

Funny article, since it A: doesn't provide any links, or even dates; and B: flies in the face of binding Canadian case law.

Some quick googling shows what Syt found - that it was from March 2015, but also that the decision was roundly criticized.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 12, 2016, 09:37:02 am
The tax list in my last post is, of course, also wrong (according to Snopes).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 12, 2016, 09:48:27 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10295794_482894088562541_7601022372879281207_n.jpg?oh=b401a69bc9eb5440f311f9796f16edb3&oe=56FC01B2&__gda__=1459326264_49dc0b8c3bc9fdc96e5f86003fdca593)

The best America had used their connections to join the reserves. That was the problem.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on January 12, 2016, 09:49:13 am
Also, I never knew Dennis the Menace was a "refugee". Though that does explain some things.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 12, 2016, 09:56:46 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12523046_553087151534768_3179108310562582590_n.jpg?oh=61bf5280c29e02009af6376cd3e5a54a&oe=56FB4C2B&__gda__=1463598109_417bba4203b7c75566af3893411391b5)

Pretty sure an "undetermined number" is a few thousand while there are millions of seniors so...probably one is much more affordable than the other?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 12, 2016, 09:57:41 am
The tax list in my last post is, of course, also wrong (according to Snopes).

It is a straight lie.

There are three kinds of politics memes:

False Equivalency
Things that are true but presented in such a way as to tell a lie
Straight up lies
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 12, 2016, 10:00:39 am
The tax list in my last post is, of course, also wrong (according to Snopes).

It is a straight lie.

There are three kinds of politics memes:

False Equivalency
Things that are true but presented in such a way as to tell a lie
Straight up lies

Sure, but plenty people who can't be bothered to fact check what they post, or believe that the really true truth is only found in "alternative" media, outside the main stream media (or Lügenpresse, as the German equivalent would say).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 12, 2016, 10:08:01 am
Poor Syt. :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 13, 2016, 12:46:18 am
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12507138_639379872867945_8017432098222506419_n.jpg?oh=cc0a38c2f4c30e65c7fa77df902d9450&oe=573B3CD9&__gda__=1460562256_6714eada4df1ec31379ad37ebefa79ee)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12410542_427173404147823_4398485158715139742_n.png?oh=014a18b7da6c1f6a287bc30ee056e493&oe=573D1DF6&__gda__=1463747228_104d4691789008a23fcf64e553228779)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 13, 2016, 01:00:23 am
Oh, c'mon, they aren't even trying to make it plausible.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on January 13, 2016, 06:04:34 am
I wonder if images like the one Syt posts constantly even exist in German political discourse or if I am just so isolated in my peer group that I don't see them.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 13, 2016, 06:11:23 am
I wonder if images like the one Syt posts constantly even exist in German political discourse or if I am just so isolated in my peer group that I don't see them.

Someone is looking for silly things to post.  They probably exist (in proportional numbers) in every Western country, but people in most countries are too ashamed of their stupidity to widely share them.

Every country has its share of those who are willfully ignorant and proud of it.  The US has far more than its share, IMO.  Syt's family seems like the distilled essence of that movement.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on January 13, 2016, 10:29:33 am
I find that illegal aliens can get drivers license baffling.

Hollywood showed me that immigrants are afraid of the authorities.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2016, 12:34:54 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12524294_853157758145573_7692515323071829072_n.jpg?oh=4d8eece9c12e1db277732a0d278770c1&oe=573AB51E&__gda__=1463587507_1fd21236488a11f7dcae1d3f1180269e)

(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-0/p350x350/12391271_1292202647472982_5936852006128992399_n.jpg?oh=a18a0a256836db4af32031b86ac6244d&oe=570BF653)

(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12400446_1020563894653036_2102796976690862567_n.jpg?oh=de2710c148e092598741248ff4793c59&oe=570AADAF)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on January 16, 2016, 02:40:08 am
Pretty sure an "undetermined number" is a few thousand while there are millions of seniors so...probably one is much more affordable than the other?
wouldn't the same people be opposed to any increase in government spending, even for seniors?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 16, 2016, 02:45:11 am
That dog has some nerve. Even if his masters aren't working, they still have to do chores for his sake. Whereas, he does absolutely nothing. Probably can't even fetch a newspaper.  :mad:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2016, 02:51:26 am
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"When the attack was in France flags were at half mast. When new york shook the flags were at half mast. Why are they now that own compatriots were killed NOT at half mast. It's a disgrace for the germans!"
- My German niece. I tried to preserve some of the grammatical errors, but they're not all easily translatable (like inconsistent capitalization).

I would like a divorce from my family, please.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on January 16, 2016, 03:03:35 am
Syt, were you adopted?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 16, 2016, 03:07:14 am
Or maybe your parents moved right before you were born, to a house with a little less lead paint?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 16, 2016, 03:10:55 am
I don't understand the German image enough to cast judgment.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2016, 03:11:55 am
I don't understand the German image enough to cast judgment.

It's about the Germans killed in the bomb attack in Istanbul.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2016, 05:16:23 am
Syt, were you adopted?

Sometimes I wonder. I'm the only one of my immediate family (parents and siblings, my in laws in Germany AFAIK, my niece+nephew in Germany ...) who has the school qualification to go to university. Everyone else did minimum diploma. Even so I was originally sent down this path because my parents found it inappropriate for a working class child to go to the Gymnasium (after elementary, children back in the day, and mostly today still, though there's other options, were sorted into Hauptschule (at the time a qualification for crafts jobs), Realschule (office jobs), Gymnasium (high qualification office jobs + university prep), and I had a strong recommendation for Gymnasium, because I had skipped otherwise mandatory pre-school and just breezed my way through elementary school. I was then thoroughly bored at Realschule where I came out with one of the best exams/final years of any student there to the point that my old head teacher apologized for having to teach me because I was clearly under-challenged and the school had no means of supporting me. I then went to a business school that gave me the Gymnasium-qualification.

Most of my class mates went on to university, but that was out of the question for me. 1, I had no idea what to study. I was kinda interested in macro-economics at the time, and programming, but I didn't have a PC. 2, even with state support it would have been really difficult for me to finance this in any way without working at least 20h/week. So I went with public administration (which was a college degree, probably equivalent roughly to a bachelor?) where I would receive payment during my studies (but where others had parents supporting them, the meager money I received was all I had to pay rent and utilities at home and  a room at where the college was.

So yeah, no idea how I fit into my otherwise not well educated family who often exhibit an interesting lack of critical thinking. OTOH they all have loving families while I have no interest in ever having a family, so I don't think we have a clear winner here. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 16, 2016, 05:56:56 am
Immigration minister (right) was caught lying about how day care institutions can no longer serve ham because of muslims, turns out they still do.

(http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/a85urk/5906511/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p900/inger.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2016, 05:57:50 am
Immigration minister (right)
:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 16, 2016, 11:19:10 am
So this has been the most popular pic on my Facebook feed for the last few days...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 16, 2016, 11:20:36 am
Oh, c'mon, they aren't even trying to make it plausible.

I know. That math exercise is a way off. The right answer is two orange fish.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 17, 2016, 11:16:32 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12360176_961062210596027_3066984173449394452_n.jpg?oh=c4d0b848edb2e0d163e56bb2f3b147dd&oe=56FD1B05&__gda__=1459764404_de55609f00419df254a9efb9b2c6cb4f)

"Service guarantees citizenship!"
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 17, 2016, 02:09:32 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 17, 2016, 02:22:37 pm
I don't doubt Cruz's intellect.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on January 17, 2016, 04:15:39 pm
Yeah, that's a very strange line of attack.  Of all the entirely plausible and truthful attacks, that's what you're going to go for?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 17, 2016, 07:16:12 pm
I never assume that people who disagree with me are idiots.  Unless they disagree with me on something fundamental like what my own name is, or that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, or whatever.  I can confidently say that Sarah Palin is an idiot.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 18, 2016, 05:08:33 am
How old does Ted Cruz think the earth is?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 18, 2016, 05:27:02 am
Not everyone who believes the earth is 6000 years old is an idiot. Intelligent people are just as vulnerable to cognitive dissonance as everybody else.

Though in the case of GOP politicians, I suspect cynical hypocrisy is more common than earnest belief.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 18, 2016, 05:48:25 am
How old does Ted Cruz think the earth is?

According to Raz, 6,000 years old. If he disagreed with that, he would have been an idiot. :contract:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on January 18, 2016, 08:08:11 am
Not everyone who believes the earth is 6000 years old is an idiot. Intelligent people are just as vulnerable to cognitive dissonance as everybody else.

You have to swallow a lot of assumptions to actually believe that creation happened 6000 years ago.  I suppose ignorance could account for a lot of that belief (sometimes willful ignorance), but it is my contention that a whole lot of people believe the Young Earth Creationist concept because it sets them apart from and above those who use reason.  I think YEC is more a response to the perceived materialism and moral decay of the world than it is a theological stance; "if you believe x, then y must be true, because you are so wrong about everything else."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 19, 2016, 02:52:37 am
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Quote
FINALLY SOMEONE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION!
ON "ABC-TV" DURING THE "NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE".... OBAMA WAS ASKED:
"MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM
AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"
THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS <>OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!
IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS."WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT."
AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !
SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...??
WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!
PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS.... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.
If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan!

WHAT???
The Republic has a CONSTITUTION???

Amendment 28

Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

Imagine what we could do if everybody passed this around.
Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

Imagine what we could do if everybody passed this around.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 20, 2016, 07:41:33 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on January 20, 2016, 07:48:03 pm
 :hmm: I wouldn't want to take a shit on that one.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on January 20, 2016, 08:51:54 pm
I'm a little confused by that last one Syt.  There is no 28th amendment, and Congress is not exempt from the ACA.  I was a little curious where it came from, and apparently the article is a complete lie.  Obama wasn't asked that question.  He was asked some other weird question about Healthcare, which he did answer.  You need to tell your sister that someone is lying to them, trying to make them look like fools.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 21, 2016, 03:15:00 am
I'm a little confused by that last one Syt.  There is no 28th amendment, and Congress is not exempt from the ACA.  I was a little curious where it came from, and apparently the article is a complete lie.  Obama wasn't asked that question.  He was asked some other weird question about Healthcare, which he did answer.  You need to tell your sister that someone is lying to them, trying to make them look like fools.

1. It's from my brother in law.
2. I've stopped correcting their Facebook posts. I would do little else if I kept doing that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on January 21, 2016, 07:24:23 am
I'm a little confused by that last one Syt.  There is no 28th amendment, and Congress is not exempt from the ACA.  I was a little curious where it came from, and apparently the article is a complete lie.  Obama wasn't asked that question.  He was asked some other weird question about Healthcare, which he did answer.  You need to tell your sister that someone is lying to them, trying to make them look like fools.

1. It's from my brother in law.
2. I've stopped correcting their Facebook posts. I would do little else if I kept doing that.

Yeah Syt, I was just thinking if you lived a near infinite life, the all of you posts on languish would end up being in this thread and none in any other.

I think you need to kick this thread into touch for purposes on your own mental well being; please do lock it so it can sink into the oblivion of page x of the forum index.  :) 

I'm sure other Languishites who find or are sent stupid social media shit will still be happy to post it in OTT. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 21, 2016, 07:29:32 am
Syt's sacrifice for the entertainment of Languish is very appreciated.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on January 21, 2016, 08:07:43 am
Syt's sacrifice for the entertainment of Languish is very appreciated.

 :yes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: FunkMonk on January 21, 2016, 09:55:12 pm
A good friend of mine recently hopped aboard this dietary supplement fad called Plexus and became a "Plexus Ambassador." She won't stop posting about it on FB and badgered me for two days about Plexus products before she gave up trying to sell the crap to me.

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Fucking christ :bleeding::bleeding::bleeding::bleeding:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on January 22, 2016, 03:40:39 am
When you need to advertise that it's not a pyramide scheme it's definitely a pyramide scheme. :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on January 22, 2016, 04:15:12 am
Why do you hate wellness?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2016, 07:57:26 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 22, 2016, 08:03:46 am
I think I need those products.  :sleep:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 22, 2016, 08:05:02 am
Cleanses are nonsense so anytime you see that being advertised, run. It has all the logic of using leaches to remove the bad humors.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2016, 08:13:14 am
She took great offense when I asked for any sort of evidence from independent researchers on the efficacy and safety of the products. Then she said thousands of people are trying it so I might as well too. What have I got to lose????
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 23, 2016, 03:37:07 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2016, 03:36:38 pm
I didn't realized St. Patrick's Day and other European cultural celebrations were condemned as racist.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on January 23, 2016, 03:43:11 pm
Weird as google shows that white people were nominated for BET awards last year and Sam Smith even won.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on January 23, 2016, 03:51:51 pm
Weird as google shows that white people were nominated for BET awards last year and Sam Smith even won.

Yeah. The fact that they nominated and gave awards to Chris Brown is more embarrassing.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2016, 04:00:47 pm
Weird as google shows that white people were nominated for BET awards last year and Sam Smith even won.

People who make memes do research on the things they are attacking? Well now that would just be crazy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 23, 2016, 11:42:52 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on January 24, 2016, 03:08:13 am
New Year's Eve in Cologne: 
(https://i.imgur.com/UP9hJR9.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 24, 2016, 03:49:13 am
Quote
The 62 richest people in the world have increased their wealth by more than half a trillion dollars, to a total of $1.76 trillion.
No one bats an eye.
Refugees owning a smartphone,
everyone looses their minds.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on January 24, 2016, 02:35:09 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 24, 2016, 05:18:16 pm
Quote
The 62 richest people in the world have increased their wealth by more than half a trillion dollars, to a total of $1.76 trillion.
No one bats an eye.
Refugees owning a smartphone,
everyone looses their minds.

These stupid things are a favorite of leftist activists and they just drive me nuts. Sure nobody cares about the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few, nobody has ever worried about that ever. Whatever.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on January 24, 2016, 05:19:02 pm
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12509032_1546411728831866_8645220590308778031_n.jpg?oh=ee5bb7a99cb6c56ddb73747867076521&oe=57476727)

This explains the excellent health and long lives of the Russian people.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on January 24, 2016, 05:25:39 pm
What does it mean to develop your body in an upward trajectory? :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: dps on January 24, 2016, 05:38:26 pm
What does it mean to develop your body in an upward trajectory? :hmm:

Maybe Putin's having people stretched on the rack?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 24, 2016, 05:38:43 pm
What does it mean to develop your body in an upward trajectory? :hmm:

Astonishingly excellent health.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on January 25, 2016, 05:37:56 pm
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12644681_10102093218090963_2268490548374528724_n.jpg?oh=5a951a0450d14e961ff3cc6feeba78a5&oe=5745CBA5)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2016, 05:39:46 pm
I don't get it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on January 25, 2016, 05:43:42 pm
Facebook moments and how they pop up all the time telling you about inconsequential shit you posted years ago on the same day.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2016, 05:45:22 pm
asoka
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on January 30, 2016, 02:32:16 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12642968_1720697201495891_8194405581167153981_n.jpg?oh=62a2572e0a52b34a3e562ac527fea2da&oe=5740EC65&__gda__=1463526040_d295eddad0c09241c41fb8df7b1c36b8)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on January 30, 2016, 03:28:54 pm
NEEDS MORE FRAKTUR.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 05, 2016, 10:24:48 am
It's a contact of a contact, so it's a bit like cheating but it ended up on my feed and there is no reason you should not be able to enjoy it.

Quote
(...), you mean, only in Babylon ? Hehe Emoji grin I know you are an atheist but since we are good friends, let me point out that according to some theological research, Satan is the first misogynist. He hates women because of their identity. He actually envies them. But that is an indenpendent theological research made by honest experts, not by the Vatican or the Rabbinate. So this truth is not told in religion, only in spirituality you learn that fact. And according to some other investigations into ET worlds, some researchers have found that mysoginy has been inherited by hybrid humans from an evil race called the Draconians, or Draco-Reptilians. When you combine both what the revealed secrets concerning the ET civilisations and some code words used in the Bible, you find out that Satan (the great red Dragon) and the Draconians, are one and the same entity. There is a lot more to tell on this subject. The Draconians are for example claimed to work with the Vatican.

Context: it started with the pro-rape troll, the contacts in question swallowed the bait and went on a rant with only in America = Babylon. The rest is pure magic. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tonitrus on February 05, 2016, 10:36:22 am
So Fizban = Satan?  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 05, 2016, 11:36:32 am
I had to check on wiki, no less, who was this Fizban of yours.   :nerd:

I'll stick with draco/dragon = devil.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on February 05, 2016, 11:40:51 am
Nothing here for a week.  :hmm: I think Syt's family unfriended him.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on February 05, 2016, 12:25:18 pm
They haven't really posted any BS recently. Also, my nephew is marrying his boyfriend. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: celedhring on February 05, 2016, 12:33:20 pm
For whatever reason all my 30-something American female Facebook friends are going ballistic over the Gilmore Girls revival, posting cast news and other news like every day. I wasn't aware this was such a cultural icon.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 05, 2016, 12:33:58 pm
They haven't really posted any BS recently. Also, my nephew is marrying his boyfriend. :)

Congrats to your family :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on February 05, 2016, 12:36:25 pm
They haven't really posted any BS recently. Also, my nephew is marrying his boyfriend. :)
Congrats!  And good for your nephew as well.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on February 05, 2016, 12:42:11 pm
Yeah. His brother married his boyfriend last year. Guess he didn't want to be left behind. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 05, 2016, 03:28:40 pm
Yeah. His brother married his boyfriend last year. Guess he didn't want to be left behind. :P

Are they sons of your crazy sister or is it another part of the family?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 05, 2016, 03:33:55 pm
Yeah. His brother married his boyfriend last year. Guess he didn't want to be left behind. :P

Are they sons of your crazy sister or is it another part of the family?

He has multiple sisters living in the US.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on February 05, 2016, 03:40:08 pm
Yeah. His brother married his boyfriend last year. Guess he didn't want to be left behind. :P

Are they sons of your crazy sister or is it another part of the family?

One of the sisters's sons.  Syt has said for all the other crazy stuff they post about they're very pro-LGBT rights.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on February 05, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
All sisters, or just the one with three gay children?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on February 17, 2016, 07:41:26 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 17, 2016, 08:50:05 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 17, 2016, 11:37:48 pm
More stuff from Ank:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t35.0-12/12755106_10153467109896849_1430426270_o.jpg?oh=be337188a3d077201e8aa5883a17d7ec&oe=56C7066A&__gda__=1455904822_777a5db411642ed644277e504ab03104)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 18, 2016, 01:22:55 am
More stuff from Ank:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t35.0-12/12755106_10153467109896849_1430426270_o.jpg?oh=be337188a3d077201e8aa5883a17d7ec&oe=56C7066A&__gda__=1455904822_777a5db411642ed644277e504ab03104)

Yeah, so what?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 18, 2016, 02:09:17 am
Of all the things he posts, you pick that one? :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 18, 2016, 02:20:53 am
Is the point to show his naivete?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 18, 2016, 02:52:09 am
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery so unless you consider blacks not wanting to be slaves a "special interest group", the claim that the Democratic Party has always been like described in the quote is just incorrect.

Like I said on Facebook, I may be a fan of modern day Germany, but I wouldn't say that "Germany has always been a force for peace and tolerance in Europe". Only an idiot would say that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 18, 2016, 03:13:14 am
It was 1948. I doubt Truman was framing that quote in the context of black Americans.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 18, 2016, 03:15:11 am
I assure you, there were groups of people with a special interest having disproportionate sway in both parties in 1948.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 18, 2016, 03:24:18 am
It was 1948. I doubt Truman was framing that quote in the context of black Americans.  :rolleyes:

Does that really matter though? You invoke the greatness of a name through the ages, you take the bad as well as the good.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 18, 2016, 03:35:25 am
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery so unless you consider blacks not wanting to be slaves a "special interest group", the claim that the Democratic Party has always been like described in the quote is just incorrect.

Like I said on Facebook, I may be a fan of modern day Germany, but I wouldn't say that "Germany has always been a force for peace and tolerance in Europe". Only an idiot would say that.

I can't read what you say on Facebook because someone put me on their ignore list.  Truman was talking in the context of the late 1940's.  Truman was also the guy who desegregated the US army, and put the Democratic party on the path of desegregation.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 18, 2016, 03:56:50 am
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery so unless you consider blacks not wanting to be slaves a "special interest group", the claim that the Democratic Party has always been like described in the quote is just incorrect.

Like I said on Facebook, I may be a fan of modern day Germany, but I wouldn't say that "Germany has always been a force for peace and tolerance in Europe". Only an idiot would say that.

I can't read what you say on Facebook because someone put me on their ignore list.  Truman was talking in the context of the late 1940's.  Truman was also the guy who desegregated the US army, and put the Democratic party on the path of desegregation.

Then one shouldn't say 'It always has been and always will be.' I don't disagree with that statement but isn't something that I would be proudly championing if I had even a passing knowledge of the 19th century.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on February 18, 2016, 11:09:07 am
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery
Any statements tying history of racial relations to the party is bound to be a lie by half-truth.  Over the last 70 or so years, there has been a gradual but ultimately complete exchange between the parties.  Blacks went over to Democrats, and racists and segregationists went over to Republicans.  From the cynical point of view, if you judge only by political power gained, Republicans got the better end of the deal.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 18, 2016, 11:12:32 am
the Democratic Party supported slavery

The Democratic Party was the party that represented the 'Rights of the White Man' in the 19th century. Or at least that was their branding. Which you have to admit is good branding when only white men can vote.

But then they became the party of the immigrants in the north...and from there the party of the workers...and from there the leftist party. So branding and ideology changes over time.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on February 18, 2016, 07:45:05 pm
Just from my own learning, "It always has been and always will be." is pretty much a ritual statement that is a rhetorical device used to undermine the emotion of the ritual.  It is fundamentally true, because it is true at that moment.  Rarely are ritual truths absolutely true.  It is the role of the ritual leader to steer the emotion and the direction of the ritual outcome.

More indication that Truman knew, at least on a gut level, what it took to be a leader.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 12:51:38 am
This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

Quote
Roy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 12:52:20 am
This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

Quote
Roy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?

How is it NOT?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2016, 12:54:35 am
Soul brother too beaucoup.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 12:56:17 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Phillip V on February 22, 2016, 01:04:52 am
This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

Quote
Roy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?

How is it NOT?

Black man on white woman porn seems to be made to be quite physically punishing.  I can understand why (white) women would want to avoid that line of work, just as some refuse to do other sex acts.

My moral outrage is that Asian men are never cast.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: sbr on February 22, 2016, 01:06:38 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Yes because the decision is based on race.  :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:10:57 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:12:09 am
Not every decision based on race is racist - especially when it comes to sexual attraction and intercourse where absolute autonomy of an individual has to be respected. Some people prefer members of their own race - others the opposite - neither is racism. Some people are attracted to younger partners and some to older - that is not ageism either. Some people like their partners slim, others plushy - that's not body shaming. Some people actually prefer to have sex with transgendered representatives of their prefered sex - others prefer cis partners - that's not transphobia.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:13:30 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.

Err no. She has a right to refuse to have sex with anyone she wants.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:16:42 am
I wouldn't have sex with Oscar Pistorius - and this is a decision (but not discrimination) based purely on his disability which just makes him lack something I find attractive (he is hot though so if he had legs I wouldnt bat an eye or mind him being a murderer).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: sbr on February 22, 2016, 01:18:25 am
I'll have sex with anyone: not racist

I'll have sex with that specific white dude, and that other specific white dude, and that Chinese dude: not enough info

I'll have sex with anyone but a black dude: racist
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:21:22 am
I'll have sex with anyone: not racist

I'll have sex with that specific white dude, and that other specific white dude, and that Chinese dude: not enough info

I'll have sex with anyone but a black dude: racist

No. I explained why already. And in the context of a porn industry it is actually more efficient for an actress to say she wouldn't have sex with a black guy than her going through 100 black actors to find one that she finds attractive.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:23:58 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.

Err no. She has a right to refuse to have sex with anyone she wants.

Why? If my boss tells me my project partner is a black man, I don't have the right to refuse. Why should a white woman be able to demand extra pay for having to work with a black person? How is that not racist?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:24:30 am
For the record, I wouldn't have sex with a male nurse either - not into fems.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:24:59 am
I wouldn't have sex with Oscar Pistorius - and this is a decision (but not discrimination) based purely on his disability which just makes him lack something I find attractive (he is hot though so if he had legs I wouldnt bat an eye or mind him being a murderer).

That is the very definition of discrimination.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:25:22 am
For the record, I wouldn't have sex with a male nurse either - not into fems.

It's nice to know you draw a line somewhere...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:27:23 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.

Err no. She has a right to refuse to have sex with anyone she wants.

Why? If my boss tells me my project partner is a black man, I don't have the right to refuse. Why should a white woman be able to demand extra pay for having to work with a black person? How is that not racist?

In porn industry you always have the right to refuse. Otherwise it's rape - signing a porn actor/actress contract does not give up a blanket consent to have sex with anyone.  :huh:

And as I said, if a woman generally is not into black guys (even if on an off chance may find one attractive), then from the job efficiency perspective it is better for her to stipulate it upfront than just reject every black guy on an individual basis.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2016, 01:28:19 am

No. I explained why already. And in the context of a porn industry it is actually more efficient for an actress to say she wouldn't have sex with a black guy than her going through 100 black actors to find one that she finds attractive.

WTF does finding someone attractive have to do with it?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:28:42 am
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.

Err no. She has a right to refuse to have sex with anyone she wants.

Why? If my boss tells me my project partner is a black man, I don't have the right to refuse. Why should a white woman be able to demand extra pay for having to work with a black person? How is that not racist?

In porn industry you always have the right to refuse. Otherwise it's rape - signing a porn actor/actress contract does not give up a blanket consent to have sex with anyone.  :huh:

And as I said, if a woman generally is not into black guys (even if on an off chance may find one attractive), then from the job efficiency perspective it is better for her to stipulate it upfront than just reject every black guy on an individual basis.

By what right does she demand extra pay to sleep with black people?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:32:22 am
She doesn't.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2016, 01:48:49 am
I'm not convinced that Mart understands what porn is.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 02:24:10 am
I'm not convinced that Mart understands what porn is.

It's either that or he doesn't know what a women does during sex.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 02:37:05 am
I'm not convinced that Mart understands what porn is.

It's either that or he doesn't know what a women does during sex.

Explain.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 03:06:12 am
:( poor Marbas
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 03:09:47 am
I'm not convinced that Mart understands what porn is.

It's either that or he doesn't know what a women does during sex.

Explain.


Women don't actually have to be aroused to engage in sexual intercourse.  She can just sit there like a log and not actually do anything.  A pornographic actress engages in sexual acts not because they are attracted to their co-worker or are stimulated but because they are paid.  They don't have dinner and movie before sexual congress.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2016, 03:10:47 am
They often fake orgasm too. :secret:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 03:16:38 am
Wow, Raz laying out how sex works. Now I've seen every damn thing on this forum.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 03:19:45 am
Wow, Raz laying out how sex works. Now I've seen every damn thing on this forum.

Don't make me demonstrate.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2016, 03:41:31 am
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 04:29:35 am
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.

Nobody needs to go to sleep, but if she signed a contract and was paid to perform then failure to preform is a breach of contract.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2016, 04:59:02 am
A contract that stipulates she will have sex with unspecified men not of her choosing is probably illegal and if not, it should be.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 05:04:17 am
A contract that stipulates she will have sex with unspecified men not of her choosing is probably illegal and if not, it should be.

I will be interested in what US lawtalkers say, but if I were to bet, I'd say a contract like this would be almost certainly unenforceable. I assume the actress would not be paid if she refuses to have sex but it would not be a breach of contract.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Monoriu on February 22, 2016, 05:10:22 am
I don't even think it is necessary to force a porn actress to have sex with a certain male or groups of males in the first place.  I assume that most consumers of porn are there because of the girls, and can't care less about who the guys are.  Having a male partner that is repulsive to the girl will certainly destroy her performance.  So I think it is in everybody's interest to find a male partner that is at least acceptable to the girl. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2016, 05:15:32 am
This discussion appears to be all over the place.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 05:42:44 am
This discussion appears to be all over the place.

No kidding.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Larch on February 22, 2016, 06:35:49 am
AFAIK the way contracts in porn work is that the performers agree previously in what will take place in the scene they're going to shoot, and they have a list of things they will agree to perform and things they won't perform under any circumstance, so an actress can say "I won't do anal, I won't do BDSM, I won't do group sex", whatever, but I doubt she can say "I won't perform with a black actor". Then again it is in the interest of everyone involved in the production that the performers have good chemistry, so if one of them is really turned off by the other that's an issue that will have to be solved.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 22, 2016, 07:17:42 am
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.

Nobody needs to go to sleep, but if she signed a contract and was paid to perform then failure to preform is a breach of contract.

Huh. Are you some kind of expert on the porn industry now? Because I don't think it works that way.

Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2016, 09:09:15 am
Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.

Don't flatter yourself.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 22, 2016, 09:13:37 am
Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.

Don't flatter yourself.

Hey somebody would find it hot. People are sick.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on February 22, 2016, 10:31:41 am
Women don't actually have to be aroused to engage in sexual intercourse.  She can just sit there like a log and not actually do anything.
Hey, that's my pick up line!  :mad:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 04:24:41 pm
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.

Nobody needs to go to sleep, but if she signed a contract and was paid to perform then failure to preform is a breach of contract.

Huh. Are you some kind of expert on the porn industry now? Because I don't think it works that way.

Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.

No, but I understand what a contract is.  If a non-pornographic actress signs a contract to be in a non-pornographic film and then refuses to preform in scenes involving black people, how should that be seen?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 22, 2016, 04:26:33 pm
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.

Nobody needs to go to sleep, but if she signed a contract and was paid to perform then failure to preform is a breach of contract.

Huh. Are you some kind of expert on the porn industry now? Because I don't think it works that way.

Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.

No, but I understand what a contract is.  If a non-pornographic actress signs a contract to be in a non-pornographic film and then refuses to preform in scenes involving black people, how should that be seen?

I don't know. What does a porn vid without people having sex look like?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2016, 04:29:12 pm
A porn actress is not obligated to sleep with anyone, no matter how many others she has slept with.

Nobody needs to go to sleep, but if she signed a contract and was paid to perform then failure to preform is a breach of contract.

Huh. Are you some kind of expert on the porn industry now? Because I don't think it works that way.

Besides these days all you need to get erotic content out there is a webcam.

No, but I understand what a contract is.  If a non-pornographic actress signs a contract to be in a non-pornographic film and then refuses to preform in scenes involving black people, how should that be seen?

I don't know. What does a porn vid without people having sex look like?

Probably like people not having sex.  Why are you asking me that?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2016, 04:33:27 pm
I don't know. What does a porn vid without people having sex look like?

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b38551b480/girls-gone-wild-presents-pg-pornstars-100-sfw-porn?_cc=__d___&_ccid=e3e18e36f2229a93 (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b38551b480/girls-gone-wild-presents-pg-pornstars-100-sfw-porn?_cc=__d___&_ccid=e3e18e36f2229a93)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 22, 2016, 04:39:03 pm
I don't know. What does a porn vid without people having sex look like?

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b38551b480/girls-gone-wild-presents-pg-pornstars-100-sfw-porn?_cc=__d___&_ccid=e3e18e36f2229a93 (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b38551b480/girls-gone-wild-presents-pg-pornstars-100-sfw-porn?_cc=__d___&_ccid=e3e18e36f2229a93)

That doesn't seem work appropriate and that is a most unsanitary way to mix a salad!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2016, 04:40:21 pm
Not to mention, that salad is almost completely lettuce. Bo-ring.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 23, 2016, 02:04:38 am
Squee!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 23, 2016, 01:54:52 pm
This showed up on my facebook.

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Dear Friends,

The District Attorney is aggressively prosecuting four Land Action organizers for their involvement in a recent adverse possession project. There are seven criminal charges, including three felony counts and four misdemeanors. Contrary to established precedent from similar cases in Oakland in recent years, the District Attorney (DA) has deliberately, and in violation of the law, pushed this civil dispute into criminal court.

Why?

The case was brought to the DA’s attention because the property’s owner of record was personally connected to the DA’s office. By taking advantage of this backdoor connection, the owner persuaded the DA to drastically overreach its jurisdiction and intervene on the owner’s behalf.

What’s more, the DA’s keen interest in Land Action is politically motivated. The DA is aware of Land Action’s significant victories in recent years around squat law and adverse possession. By dragging Land Action through the mud, the DA intends to discourage the practice of adverse possession. Adverse possession, enshrined in the legal code of all 50 States, is a time-honored legal mechanism as old as property law itself. It allows people with very little capital to acquire full ownership of real property, which makes it antithetical to the ruling-class agenda of keeping working people enmeshed in the cycle of rent-wage-exploitation.

In short, the DA is defending the commonly held belief that home ownership should be very, extremely, prohibitively expensive—a perception that plays right into the interests of capital.

The DA’s aggressive prosecution of Land Action’s organizers is occurring at a time when local government has developed exceedingly cozy relations with gentrifying forces. Last year, Oakland City Council came under fire for offering a luxury housing developer the acre-sized 12th Street Remainder Parcel for much less than its market value. In a confidential memo, the City Attorney informed the Council that state law requires them to first offer surplus land to low-income housing agencies, park agencies, school districts, and other entities that serve the public interest. But against the advice of their own attorney, the Council proceeded with their illegal plan, which was already underway when the City Attorney’s memo was leaked to the East Bay Express. Only then did public scrutiny force the Council to bring their actions into compliance with state law.

Local government is all too willing to disregard the law in the service of Capital and at the expense of the poor. The DA has aligned itself with this agenda, using public funding to defend the property interests of the land-holding class. The DA has chosen to flout the very laws it is charged with upholding, for the sake of consolidating property rights and maintaining access barriers to home ownership. IT IS TIME TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!!

Please come pack the courthouse with us for our initial hearing!

And an old news article about this in Oakland:
http://kalw.org/post/legal-grey-area-west-oakland-resident-discovers-free-house#stream/0

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Like everywhere in the Bay Area, home prices in Oakland have recently gone through the roof. The price of a house there is up almost 70% in the past two years. But West Oakland resident Steve DeCaprio has discovered an unusual way to acquire a home for free. DeCaprio has become an expert in finding and taking over abandoned homes – and it’s not as illegal as it might sound.

From the outside, DeCaprio’s house looks like a lot of the homes you might see in West Oakland. It’s stucco, split into two apartments, and has a chain-link fence in the front yard. His could maybe use a paint job.  DeCaprio is in his early 40s. By day he has a part-time job at the California League of Conservation Voters, by night he plays with his black-metal band. But mostly, he spends a lot of time on his house.

“This is still a work in progress,” says DeCaprio.

Part of the second floor doesn’t have a ceiling -- the plumbing had to be replaced when a fire melted the sewer line -- and the electricity and gas are off the grid.

“And we actually redid all the electrical,” DeCaprio explains. ”It’s all brand new up to code.”

But, DeCaprio says, the city wouldn’t issue the permits so they can’t connect to PG&E. Because even though he has basically built this house back up from scratch over the past 14 years, he doesn’t technically own it – at least not on paper.

“They said, ‘You’re a bunch of squatters [and] we don’t issue permits to squatters,’” recalls DeCaprio.

Squatting is when you live in a building that initially isn’t yours without asking anyone. And that’s exactly what DeCaprio and his housemates are doing. But, he says the law is on his side. In California, in some cases, if you squat a building long enough, it’s yours.

“You occupy a property for five years, you pay the [property] taxes and then you own it.”

The legal name for this is ‘adverse possession.’ And don’t break out your crowbar just yet, there are actually a lot more rules than that. Like it has to be your sole residence and, as DeCaprio explains, “It has to be open, notorious. You know, not sneaking in, sneaking out.”

It’s a confusing legal grey area. But it’s worth it to DeCaprio. For him, it’s partially political: he doesn’t like having to answer to banks and corporations.

“And this is the beauty of squatting, is to stop acknowledging their authority,” he says.

And it’s partially practical:  he doesn’t have a lot of money and he needs a place to live.

That’s how he started his squatting odyssey. Back in 2000, after he had been touring with his band in Europe and staying in squats there, he found himself back in the Bay without a home and decided to try it here. Here’s how he got into his current home:

Step 1. He said that he went around the East Bay “…block by block, finding houses that looked abandoned.” Houses with their windows boarded up, with the utilities completely off, or maybe a tree going through the roof, like this one did. DeCaprio says he found at least a dozen buildings like this.

Step 2. Research. He found out “what the backstory [was] with each house.” He learned that his house had been empty for decades.

Step 3. He tried to contact the person who, technically, owned the building. That man had been dead since 1982. “And the whole idea is that once all of our research indicated that there was nobody interested in the property then we would...”

Step 4. “Enter it.” This was the first house he entered.

But just because you’re in a house doesn’t mean you’re home free. DeCaprio has run into problems with the police before at a different squat in 2004, in South Berkeley. You can see a clip of him tussling with a Berkeley Police sergeant about the definition of the law in the 2008 documentary Shelter: A Squatumentary by director Hannah Dobbz. The neighbors there knew he was a squatter, and they didn’t like it. They said he was trespassing and kept calling the police on him. DeCaprio countered by saying, “In California and under most laws, you can’t trespass on abandoned property. It’s an oxymoron.”

But the police still kept kicking him out.

“You know they’d board it up, and then I’d come back with, like, a hammer,” DeCaprio recalls. “And then they welded the storm door shut with, with an arc welder and then I came back with a can of WD-40 and a Dremel with a diamond blade. And that’s when they, that’s when they finally were like ‘Enough’s enough, you’re going to jail.’”

DeCaprio still wouldn’t give up. He hit the books, learned property law and represented himself in court. Eventually, an heir to the house’s original owner was found and DeCaprio was found guilty by a judge of trespassing. But even then, he continued squatting and he continued studying. There are documents all over his bedroom.

“I have a whole filing cabinet full of my own personal lawsuits,” says DeCaprio. “Probably the prudent thing would have been just to back away, but I was so angry.”

Even though he lost the Berkeley house, his current house is on track to be his.

“I’ve been here for over a decade, and I’ve paid all the property taxes,” DeCaprio says. “So I have adverse possession times two.”

But the last time he went in front of a judge to get it transferred to his name, the judge was not convinced. He told DeCaprio to find an heir – and he may have found one – but he didn’t want to give his house away.

“Because no one who was even remotely related to the person who used to own this house even knows that this house exists. Who cares about this house? Nobody but me. Nobody cares about this house except for me.”

And in a way, he’s right. At least according to local neighborhood association member Leslie Cleaver Wood: “Squatting is absolutely not an issue for us. I think, we welcome anyone in a home that's been vacant as long as it's, again, safe, and good neighbors.”

And Margaretta Lin from Oakland’s Department of Housing and Community Development said by phone that her department only gets involved in cases of blight. Ownership, she says, is an issue for the police and the courts.

Since he started squatting, he has had to bone up on so much property law that he is on his way to passing the bar exam.

“If and when I pass the bar,” DeCaprio explains, “I would most likely be the only attorney that specializes in squatting.”

And in the meantime, he has founded an organization called Land Action to help give the resources to other squatters to help them defend themselves, just like he did. DeCaprio says if he had it his way, there’d be millions of squatters all over the country.

But sometimes, DeCaprio made me think that for him, it almost isn’t even about the buildings, it’s about the challenge.

“Yea, I’ll get this house completely, it’ll be totally be decked out, we’ll have a hot tub in the backyard, everything will be perfect and I’ll say, ‘Alright, let’s move...Projects over...Let’s leave the fruit on the vine.’”

Because there’s always going to be another building to fix up and another judge to fight.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 24, 2016, 05:18:50 am
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Facebook is really the next level for bumper sticker political debate. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 24, 2016, 05:24:36 am
Hey I can spell Jews. :mad:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on February 24, 2016, 05:33:29 am
Needs complaints about the sagging pants look.

(http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Sagging-Pants.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 24, 2016, 12:29:56 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 24, 2016, 12:33:38 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

Now it is a tradition. They are wearing their pants the same way their fathers did.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on February 24, 2016, 12:33:58 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

Indeed, it has been curiously lasting - considering it is a fashion that makes anyone adopting it look more than slightly 'intellectually challenged'.  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 24, 2016, 12:53:45 pm
I never knew how you were suppose to keep them from falling around your ankles.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 24, 2016, 12:59:31 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

I'm pretty sure it was against my school's dress code.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on February 24, 2016, 01:31:50 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

I'm pretty sure it was against my school's dress code.

One day in 5th grade, our teachers had a kid who always wore his pants like that, run down the hallway to see if he could manage to keep them up without holding with his hands. Predictably he failed.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on February 24, 2016, 01:33:07 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

Indeed, it has been curiously lasting - considering it is a fashion that makes anyone adopting it look more than slightly 'intellectually challenged'.  :lol:

Punk early 80s style is still going strong.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on February 24, 2016, 01:46:32 pm
Through evolution, generations that wear their pants like that will probably end up having elongated spines and short legs.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on February 24, 2016, 02:26:42 pm
I find it weird that it's still in fashion.  People were doing that when I was in middle school.  That was two decades ago.

Indeed, it has been curiously lasting - considering it is a fashion that makes anyone adopting it look more than slightly 'intellectually challenged'.  :lol:

Punk early 80s style is still going strong.

True, but punk gear (a) doesn't make you look like a total moron, and (b) doesn't actually obstruct your ability to move. I can accept the sense of fashions that do either (a) or (b) (hell, lots of women wear heels they can't actually run in, just to look sexy), but not ones that do both!  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on February 24, 2016, 08:03:52 pm
Trumpites are increasing on my FB feed.  Getting more of this.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 26, 2016, 12:30:53 am
This
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 26, 2016, 12:34:48 am
 :pinch:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 26, 2016, 02:32:29 am
It's not too big.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on February 26, 2016, 02:39:12 am
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/12717903_1164116853606833_3986524091385940531_n.jpg?oh=a845b7a7ba582f05f1591026e0dab39e&oe=57637ACD)

(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/12670610_216291852050252_1026372881627928731_n.jpg?oh=1728229b5a52897dfeb852922db77ed6&oe=575537EE)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 26, 2016, 02:47:08 am
It's not too big.

Yeah it's about the standard size of my cat toys.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 26, 2016, 03:20:53 am
Man, Lettow doesn't post shit like that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on February 26, 2016, 03:15:58 pm
:hmm:

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 26, 2016, 03:26:49 pm
I think most people who say things like "(color) people do this" are being somewhat racist.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 26, 2016, 03:27:23 pm
I don't think any of those things.

But I guess they just said 'White People' meaning more than one.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 26, 2016, 03:33:10 pm
I need a safe space now. :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on February 26, 2016, 04:03:18 pm
I think most people who say things like "(color) people do this" are being somewhat racist.

See now that's something a white person would say. 

And check your privilege & stuff.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 26, 2016, 04:06:36 pm
Even worse IMO is the Razgovory definite article: the blacks, the Jews, the Republicans, the Libertarians.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on February 26, 2016, 04:55:14 pm
Sounds positively French. :x
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 26, 2016, 07:17:51 pm
Even worse IMO is the Razgovory definite article: the blacks, the Jews, the Republicans, the Libertarians.

Buh?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on February 27, 2016, 10:33:48 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on February 27, 2016, 11:19:23 pm
Well, I suppose Fox did something right.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2016, 01:31:35 am
I don't think any of those things.

But I guess they just said 'White People' meaning more than one.

So the converse: "Black people think Donald Trump is racist, but they will convince themselves that Beyonce is just expressing herself" is also a fine thing to say?

To me both are generalisations based on race that seem unsupported by any evidence - i.e. what racism is all about.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 28, 2016, 01:41:43 am
I don't think any of those things.

But I guess they just said 'White People' meaning more than one.

So the converse: "Black people think Donald Trump is racist, but they will convince themselves that Beyonce is just expressing herself" is also a fine thing to say?

To me both are generalisations based on race that seem unsupported by any evidence - i.e. what racism is all about.

Well if more than one Black person thinks that than at least you are saying a factually true statement :P

But of course what you say.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2016, 01:50:18 am
I don't think any of those things.

But I guess they just said 'White People' meaning more than one.

So the converse: "Black people think Donald Trump is racist, but they will convince themselves that Beyonce is just expressing herself" is also a fine thing to say?

To me both are generalisations based on race that seem unsupported by any evidence - i.e. what racism is all about.

Well if more than one Black person thinks that than at least you are saying a factually true statement :P

But of course what you say.

Then say "some" or "there are white people who think". Of course then you lose the racially charged stupid impact. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on February 29, 2016, 01:27:23 am
So, my Facebook feed is now inundated by leftists reposting a gawker video proving that Trump is a horrible human being who mocks people with disabilities and puts down "widely regarded women". Evidence? He told Larry King in the 1980s that he has bad breath and said that Kim Kardashian has a big ass. The tribalism of this shit disgusts me. I hope Trump wins, so those fuckers can cry.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on February 29, 2016, 08:30:53 am
So, my Facebook feed is now inundated by leftists reposting a gawker video proving that Trump is a horrible human being who mocks people with disabilities and puts down "widely regarded women". Evidence? He told Larry King in the 1980s that he has bad breath and said that Kim Kardashian has a big ass. The tribalism of this shit disgusts me. I hope Trump wins, so those fuckers can cry.

Now you understand how American politics works!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on March 02, 2016, 05:36:07 am
Paul Daniels, a popular TV magician in the 80s and 90s, has been diagnosed with a terminal brain tumour. An overtly religious FB friend posted that she'd donated to this GoFundMe site. Nothing suspicious about this at all, like the grammar, spelling and the fact no actual charities or causes have been identified...

https://www.gofundme.com/pauldanielsmagic (https://www.gofundme.com/pauldanielsmagic)

(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n541/Berenice67/PD_zpsl2donrod.png)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on March 02, 2016, 08:28:52 am
It's nice to help other people. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 08:41:33 am
I don't think any of those things.

But I guess they just said 'White People' meaning more than one.

So the converse: "Black people think Donald Trump is racist, but they will convince themselves that Beyonce is just expressing herself" is also a fine thing to say?

To me both are generalisations based on race that seem unsupported by any evidence - i.e. what racism is all about.

FWIW she removed that post from her FB wall within hours of posting it.  Either someone pointed out the irony of appearing to generalize white people, or she thought better of it herself.  She's a sweet girl and and I'm sure didn't mean anything bad by it, but she's been bruised by some experiences (microaggressions, I guess) as a Puerto Rican gal living in Kentucky.  So she sometimes posts silly things like that out of frustration.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Syt on March 02, 2016, 02:32:07 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 02:34:47 pm
Thnx sharing now.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on March 03, 2016, 06:25:29 am
Oh good. Facebook told me that today 12 years ago, I first joined facebook. Then it showed me a bunch of posted photos from the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on March 03, 2016, 06:40:37 am
Oh also starting to see more commentary appearing that Bernie would be winning if it weren't for 'pesky' black voters. <_<
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on March 03, 2016, 06:46:19 am
Oh also starting to see more commentary appearing that Bernie would be winning if it weren't for 'pesky' black voters. <_<

Young voters. :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 03, 2016, 07:55:14 am
Quote
Fascinating to see corporate media acknowledge that both parties plan to rig the conventions to ensure their best puppet carries on US Empire. FOX is the only network to cover how Dem elites won't let Bernie win & MSNBC/CNN are all over how GOP elites are planning a coup against Trump.

Less crazy analysis than usual. A contact of a contact, so I am cheating a bit.  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: katmai on March 03, 2016, 11:16:57 am
Oh also starting to see more commentary appearing that Bernie would be winning if it weren't for 'pesky' black voters. <_<
y'all anti Semites.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 03, 2016, 12:14:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MlpfwSq.png)

Thanks Methuen Mono :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on March 03, 2016, 05:50:34 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Habbaku on March 03, 2016, 05:51:54 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: FunkMonk on March 03, 2016, 05:55:51 pm
I like that one  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 04, 2016, 08:34:07 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12806009_1045689515502331_4459451723036565893_n.jpg?oh=a1566a4111d00f9ade4eac7ff903627d&oe=576A9D9C)

Woah
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 08:35:48 am
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Hoegaarden is the path to hell.  'Tis true :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Archy on March 04, 2016, 02:54:23 pm
God hates Belgium :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 04, 2016, 03:37:51 pm
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12376778_812452772199254_2230132528935659031_n.jpg?oh=9eba50561ecb5bad7b60f95754dac3af&oe=575E5B5E)

Tongue in cheek. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 03:38:36 pm
I was kidding. I love Hoegaarden, or at least used to before AB InBev fucked up the recipe.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 04, 2016, 04:03:52 pm
I might Bill but none are currently running :weep:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 04, 2016, 04:11:58 pm
I might Bill but none are currently running :weep:

Just vote for the candidate with the smallest hands.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 11:53:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Jgb0wxo.jpg)

From some libertarian.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on March 08, 2016, 09:12:25 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2016, 09:14:52 pm
 ^_^
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 08, 2016, 09:24:40 pm
That's pretty good  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on March 08, 2016, 10:18:28 pm
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on March 08, 2016, 11:48:38 pm
Bernie 2016 unless Romney 2016
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 09, 2016, 12:21:30 am
Romney is still a psycho who leaves the dog on the roof and forcibly cuts gay kids' hair.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on March 09, 2016, 07:40:38 am
Oh good. Facebook told me that today 12 years ago, I first joined facebook. Then it showed me a bunch of posted photos from the last 3 years.

You were a stalk in the harvest of '04?  Me too.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on March 09, 2016, 07:41:45 am
That's pretty good  :lol:

:mellow:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on March 09, 2016, 07:46:49 am
Oh good. Facebook told me that today 12 years ago, I first joined facebook. Then it showed me a bunch of posted photos from the last 3 years.

You were a stalk in the harvest of '04?  Me too.

Yep, Stanford was the 2nd place to get it after Harvard. I remember how sad my one friend was when it opened up to public universities. Never followed up to see how she felt when anyone could sign up. :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 09, 2016, 08:24:04 am
That's pretty good  :lol:

:mellow:

What? :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 09, 2016, 09:09:46 am
That's pretty good  :lol:

:mellow:

What? :unsure:

I'm guessing it was Mihali's sign that got cut in half.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 09, 2016, 09:44:40 am
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12472264_10207385197819755_6084636266417517570_n.jpg?oh=cc6224b7a1a506c38b0b8be2a4b05ae1&oe=57068382)

Ouch; it's bad enough that Linkin Park's guitarist plays PRS guitars. Those guitars can sing, but you wouldn't know it after all the digital crap the band puts them through. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 09, 2016, 09:46:23 am
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12376778_812452772199254_2230132528935659031_n.jpg?oh=9eba50561ecb5bad7b60f95754dac3af&oe=575E5B5E)

Tongue in cheek. :)

:secret: I think "tongue" isn't the right word here... :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on March 09, 2016, 09:50:16 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12791000_10209033599136810_1579805265704958179_n.jpg?oh=0a1c428b6d5fd406a2f0dd13da5f95e7&oe=575F769B)

Though now that I am becoming an investor in Austin's future growth maybe I should start to change my tune :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on March 09, 2016, 10:33:39 am
I'm guessing it was Mihali's sign that got cut in half.

:rolleyes: Vermonters have had Bernie on the political scene since 1971 and in elected office for the past thirty years.  And with the same message, bless him, but his candidacy is no revelation.

Valmy -- it was pretty "on the nose" and not too funny.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on March 10, 2016, 02:04:51 am
Speaking of Facebook, I am not sure which is worse - that people actually give unrestricted access to their profiles to these phishing "who-is-your-biggest-friend-if-you-were-an-animal-and-had-a-viking-name" apps, or that they then actually go on to post the result as if it was anything but a random algorithm. Human stupidity is astounding.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on March 10, 2016, 02:46:55 pm
Speaking of Facebook, I am not sure which is worse - that people actually give unrestricted access to their profiles to these phishing "who-is-your-biggest-friend-if-you-were-an-animal-and-had-a-viking-name" apps, or that they then actually go on to post the result as if it was anything but a random algorithm. Human stupidity is astounding.

I got German Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel, who made me a mascot for a conference on endangered species. :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on March 10, 2016, 04:03:34 pm
Speaking of Facebook, I am not sure which is worse - that people actually give unrestricted access to their profiles to these phishing "who-is-your-biggest-friend-if-you-were-an-animal-and-had-a-viking-name" apps, or that they then actually go on to post the result as if it was anything but a random algorithm. Human stupidity is astounding.
I don't think they truly believe it, they just find amusing what the app report.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on March 11, 2016, 02:29:20 am
They are like those mad libs.

Martinus walked into the purple shoe and ate a can of fuzzy condoms.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on March 11, 2016, 04:49:35 am
They are like those mad libs.

Of course.

Quote
Martinus walked into the purple shoe and ate a can of fuzzy condoms.

:unsure: He didn't..?  Unless "Fioletowy Buty" is all rough trade these days...and not a place to meet leeching Jew queens, I mean.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on March 11, 2016, 07:15:24 am
 :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 11, 2016, 07:43:26 am
The Purple Shoe is actually a thrift shop in North Carolina. They discontinued the fuzzy condoms after Marty's antics.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 11, 2016, 08:32:47 am
:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2016, 09:42:39 am
 :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 16, 2016, 09:52:37 am
Works better without the Obama dig.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2016, 03:52:27 pm
 :showoff:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on March 23, 2016, 08:46:27 am
So close :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on March 23, 2016, 09:13:35 am
So close :(

That might work if one of the complaints of Sanders's supporters didn't happen to be a lack of jobs. :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on March 23, 2016, 09:27:07 am
So close :(

Apparently, none of those jobs involved proofreading.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on March 24, 2016, 09:31:14 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on March 30, 2016, 11:53:13 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 01, 2016, 03:16:20 pm
British police, being Orwellian:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9FfcmWwAANHoX.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on April 01, 2016, 03:20:22 pm
British police, being Orwellian:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9FfcmWwAANHoX.jpg)

Well, that about eliminates Languish.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2016, 03:21:53 pm
Every think I say on Languish is:

True
Harmless
Legal
Necessary
Kind

THLNK is what I do before every post.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 01, 2016, 03:27:48 pm
Nothing posted here or on 99% of the internet is "necessary".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2016, 03:30:44 pm
Nothing posted here or on 99% of the internet is "necessary".

Well I think the question is "necessary for what?"

And the answer is "necessary to keep Languish from dying".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on April 01, 2016, 04:55:25 pm
So before posting here one has to consider if it's true hurtful and remember it's illegal to post something that's unnecessarily kind?  :languish:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on April 01, 2016, 04:57:03 pm
So before posting here one has to consider if it's true hurtful and remember it's illegal to post something that's unnecessarily kind?  :languish:

Languish is a very font of unnecessary kindness.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on April 01, 2016, 05:01:33 pm
I want to thank you for making this post necessary.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2016, 07:15:48 pm
So before posting here one has to consider if it's true hurtful and remember it's illegal to post something that's unnecessarily kind?  :languish:

Languish is a very font of unnecessary kindness.  :D

Why Malthus you are making good posts today.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 02, 2016, 01:04:37 am
This missed the tweet of the police, by the way:

https://twitter.com/GreaterGlasgPol/status/715867273261662208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

"Think before you post or you may receive a visit from us this weekend. Use the internet safely. #thinkbeforeyoupost"

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 02, 2016, 10:04:35 am
Every think I say on Languish is:

True
Harmless
Legal
Necessary
Kind

THLNK is what I do before every post.

When it comes to Languish, just ask yourself your posts are--

Stupid
Crass
Rude
Obtuse
Thickheaded
Unnecessary
Mean

And if not, go back and make sure they are.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on April 04, 2016, 08:25:06 pm
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/files/2016/04/relatives1.png)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 04, 2016, 09:56:58 pm
You know I can forgive the actual people of 1860. They had built their social system upon a horrible institution and built up an elaborate system to justify and rationalize it. They insisted the Fifth Amendment said that they could take their property everywhere, and the Supreme Court reinforced this with the Dred Scott decision. Uprooting the entire social order and attacking the economic bases of a society are going to stir deep resentment and hostility.

But these modern Neo-Confederates? It is amazing what kind of mental hoops you have to jump through to be in favor of that cause now. You pretty much have to disregard the entirety of the primary sources from the era and insist that things nobody said were the real cause of the war.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: sbr on April 04, 2016, 09:59:48 pm
You know I can forgive the actual people of 1860. They had built their social system upon a horrible institution and built up an elaborate system to justify and rationalize it. They insisted the Fifth Amendment said that they could take their property everywhere, and the Supreme Court reinforced this with the Dred Scott decision. Uprooting the entire social order and attacking the economic bases of a society are going to stir deep resentment and hostility.

But these modern Neo-Confederates? It is amazing what kind of mental hoops you have to jump through to be in favor of that cause now. You pretty much have to disregard the entirety of the primary sources from the era and insist that things nobody said were the real cause of the war.

There is one (at least) line of thinking that doesn't require any mental gymnastics or hoop jumping at all.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 05, 2016, 11:52:59 am
There is one (at least) line of thinking that doesn't require any mental gymnastics or hoop jumping at all.

Well that as well. I have a hard time not having a visceral reaction to those people.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 05, 2016, 11:53:21 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12938153_1092991237390545_4617559686042348110_n.jpg?oh=f3eef9858cc5fdcbabf74b2ea37885b5&oe=5772A2C0)

Speaking of which my cousin posted this on FB today  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 05, 2016, 12:07:31 pm
Pretty sure this guy isn't racist (as in not white separatist racist), so I have a feeling he may not have scrutinized this too much when he decided to post this with his normal 50 daily posts...

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 05, 2016, 12:35:42 pm
Pretty sure this guy isn't racist (as in not white separatist racist), so I have a feeling he may not have scrutinized this too much when he decided to post this with his normal 50 daily posts...

Isn't the answer "March through January"? :P

It's like people complaining about there being no "Straight Pride Marches". I think people dislike identity politics, and admittedly in the West in particular (and this is something that is a bit difficult for me as a Pole because I would still like us to be more like the West a bit, but the backlash from the West is already coming here) because right now in the West most stuff is about class but people still think it is about something else.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 05, 2016, 12:40:41 pm
Pretty sure this guy isn't racist (as in not white separatist racist), so I have a feeling he may not have scrutinized this too much when he decided to post this with his normal 50 daily posts...

Isn't the answer "March through January"? :P

Yes. Thank you captain obvious :P

And it is wrong anyway. There are numerous European heritage events throughout the year if you just need that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 05, 2016, 01:42:04 pm
And it is wrong anyway. There are numerous European heritage events throughout the year if you just need that sort of thing.

I like how they often confuse foreigners.  Like with Cinco de Mayo not being that huge of a deal in Mexico, Northern Germans being annoyed by Bavarian-type celebrations, etc.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on April 05, 2016, 01:46:52 pm


Yes. Thank you captain obvious :P

And it is wrong anyway. There are numerous European heritage events throughout the year if you just need that sort of thing.

Hey, if you are Jewish, you get a day(s) celebrating your near-extinction as your particular bit of European heritage event. Yay. :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Days
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 05, 2016, 07:44:00 pm
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12938153_1092991237390545_4617559686042348110_n.jpg?oh=f3eef9858cc5fdcbabf74b2ea37885b5&oe=5772A2C0)

Speaking of which my cousin posted this on FB today  :P

Motherfucking awesome.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on April 05, 2016, 08:13:25 pm
+2
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 05, 2016, 08:23:21 pm
I just sent it to my favorite Bulldog grad.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 05, 2016, 08:43:03 pm
Pretty sure this guy isn't racist (as in not white separatist racist), so I have a feeling he may not have scrutinized this too much when he decided to post this with his normal 50 daily posts...

Yeah the white power fist is not something you want to put up there.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on April 06, 2016, 04:19:48 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12938153_1092991237390545_4617559686042348110_n.jpg?oh=f3eef9858cc5fdcbabf74b2ea37885b5&oe=5772A2C0)

Speaking of which my cousin posted this on FB today  :P

Motherfucking awesome.

I needed Wikipedia's help to understand it but in my defense it was very American.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on April 06, 2016, 09:11:41 am
No one expects you to know how Sherman looked.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on April 06, 2016, 06:48:02 pm
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Speaking of which my cousin posted this on FB today  :P

Motherfucking awesome.

I needed Wikipedia's help to understand it but in my defense it was very American.

Nothing else matters
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 06, 2016, 06:54:20 pm
Nothing else matters

Metallica fan?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on April 06, 2016, 07:03:38 pm
Nothing else matters

Metallica fan?

USA fan, but yes for Metaliica fan prior to TBA.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 12, 2016, 12:46:47 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on April 12, 2016, 12:49:17 pm
Yep that is dumb.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 12, 2016, 12:51:53 pm
Well maybe an insane feminist.

But that legendary feminist Justin Trudeau just sees potential liberal voters.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 12, 2016, 01:01:14 pm
Well maybe an insane feminist.

A "feminazi".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 12, 2016, 02:13:34 pm
Well maybe an insane feminist.

A "feminazi".

An "Anita Sarkezian".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 14, 2016, 08:34:51 am
So the dude who posted the "when is white history month" pic and is a huge Trump supporter posted this today.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 14, 2016, 08:44:37 am
He knows Trump is a friend to the working man.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 14, 2016, 10:06:38 am
He knows Trump is a friend to the working man.

Well, Trump appears to be whatever his supporters want him to be.

Seeing that red upraised fist was just a bit of an anomaly on my fb feed.  Most of my far left friends tend to be more subtle.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 14, 2016, 10:57:28 am
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 14, 2016, 11:42:29 am
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

At least in Poland, the only true leftists belong to the generation younger than mine, who all have rich parents funding their alternative lifestyles. Nobody who was at least 10 when the communism ended wants to come even close to socialism.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on April 14, 2016, 12:16:09 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 14, 2016, 12:33:47 pm
Well, obviously the Canadian left came to the realization that Canada needs more green jobs. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on April 14, 2016, 12:43:00 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.
Not commenting on this issue in particular one way or the other, but the jobs created or jobs destroyed arguments in such discussion are such a total bullshit, for a number of reasons.  If you legalize contract killing, you can create some hit man jobs, as well as some jobs for administrative assistant to handle the orders and the associating billing.  However, I think we're better off without creating such jobs.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on April 14, 2016, 12:44:52 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.
Not commenting on this issue in particular one way or the other, but the jobs created or jobs destroyed arguments in such discussion are such a total bullshit, for a number of reasons.  If you legalize contract killing, you can create some hit man jobs, as well as some jobs for administrative assistant to handle the orders and the associating billing.  However, I think we're better off without creating such jobs.

Yeah, but he's talking about wiping out the already established hit man industry.

 ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 14, 2016, 02:30:46 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

At least in Poland, the only true leftists belong to the generation younger than mine, who all have rich parents funding their alternative lifestyles. Nobody who was at least 10 when the communism ended wants to come even close to socialism.

Huh, I thought the concept of a worker's solidarity was something of a big deal for Poles who remember the 1980's.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 14, 2016, 03:34:04 pm
Well, obviously the Canadian left came to the realization that Canada needs more green jobs.

If everybody else listened we would not have global warming and Daesh terrorists. :contract:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 14, 2016, 03:35:46 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

At least in Poland, the only true leftists belong to the generation younger than mine, who all have rich parents funding their alternative lifestyles. Nobody who was at least 10 when the communism ended wants to come even close to socialism.

Huh, I thought the concept of a worker's solidarity was something of a big deal for Poles who remember the 1980's.

Not really. The Polish revolution was mainly based on conservative and/or libertarian principles.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 14, 2016, 05:05:27 pm
Libertarians hate trade unions.  Seems odd that they would all belong to one.  Hell, the American AFL-CIO sent money and equipment to the Solidarity movement.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on April 15, 2016, 06:21:44 am
On a page dedicated to a disabled rescue cat:

"GOD bless you for adopting this loving cat. I two adopted two cats and all I get is unconstitutional love in return."  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on April 15, 2016, 06:36:42 am
On a page dedicated to a disabled rescue cat:

"GOD bless you for adopting this loving cat. I two adopted two cats and all I get is unconstitutional love in return."  :lol:

But the UK has no written constitution. Are they violating the Magna Carta? :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 15, 2016, 06:38:44 am
Libertarians hate trade unions.  Seems odd that they would all belong to one.  Hell, the American AFL-CIO sent money and equipment to the Solidarity movement.

It's complicated. In 1980s it was a worker movement but mainly because a worker movement was the only type of movement that the regime would listen to - just like the French revolution started with upset aristocrats and bourgeoisie despite ending up as a popular revolution.

But almost all of the elites that grew out of the movement and took over in the 1990s belonged to two camps - pro-free-market neoliberals and Catholic conservatives. There were hardly any socialists there.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 15, 2016, 06:39:22 am
On a page dedicated to a disabled rescue cat:

"GOD bless you for adopting this loving cat. I two adopted two cats and all I get is unconstitutional love in return."  :lol:

Love that does not dare to speak its meow.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on April 15, 2016, 06:44:40 am
Libertarians hate trade unions.  Seems odd that they would all belong to one.  Hell, the American AFL-CIO sent money and equipment to the Solidarity movement.

It's complicated. In 1980s it was a worker movement but mainly because a worker movement was the only type of movement that the regime would listen to - just like the French revolution started with upset aristocrats and bourgeoisie despite ending up as a popular revolution.

But almost all of the elites that grew out of the movement and took over in the 1990s belonged to two camps - pro-free-market neoliberals and Catholic conservatives. There were hardly any socialists there.

What happened to the "reformed" communist party? Aren't they sort of social democrats now? Have they been utterly annihilated during elections?

I know a few Poles here in Norway, and they seem very traditionalist and deeply Catholic. Which I guess is natural, given that they had 50 years of communist propaganda to revolt against.

I think the Norwegian trade union council also supported Solidarity with funds. Walesa was kind of a big deal here back in the early 80s. And Jaruszelski with his huge glasses and strict appearance a perfect tabloid bogeyman along with Brezhnev.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on April 15, 2016, 07:07:22 am
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 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 15, 2016, 08:06:56 am
Heh, I googled that, hoping it was real.  :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on April 15, 2016, 08:14:27 am
Heh, I googled that, hoping it was real.  :(
:console:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 15, 2016, 08:35:49 am
What happened to the "reformed" communist party? Aren't they sort of social democrats now? Have they been utterly annihilated during elections?

They have become a "social democrat" party but quite liberal by Western European (especially Scandinavian) standards. For example, during their time in power in late 1990s/early 2000s, they flattened personal income tax rate (from 3 to two levels) and generally lowered the taxes (thanks to them I am paying 19% flat income tax rate on my income :P).

They suffered a major defeat in 2005 elections, following a series of bribery scandals, and never recovered power. Finally, in the last elections, in 2016, they were utterly annihilated, failing to get even one MP.

Of the parties in the Parliament at the moment, PiS is the one with actually the most "social" programme but with a definitive traditionalist slant. For example, their flagship social programme is the recently introduced "500 plus" programme, where people with two or more children are eligible to receive a flat monthly stipend from the state, for every child in excess of the first one, irrespective of their actual financial status. So rich people with 2 or more children are technically eligible (but would probably not bother to get it, as it is just 500 zlotys, which is like EUR 150, per child) and poor single mothers with just one child are receiving zilch.

Outside of the ex-commies and PiS, there is also a new party with Scandinavia-style socialist ideas (in Poland, they count as Marxists), called "Razem" ("Together") which managed to get 3% in the last elections but did not get any MPs. But hopefully they will never matter much.

Two main Parliamentary opposition parties are liberal in the same sense as German FDP is/was.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 15, 2016, 08:59:20 am
Heh, I googled that, hoping it was real.  :(
:console:

As soon as I saw 420 I knew it was a joke.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on April 15, 2016, 09:04:33 am
What happened to the "reformed" communist party? Aren't they sort of social democrats now? Have they been utterly annihilated during elections?

They have become a "social democrat" party but quite liberal by Western European (especially Scandinavian) standards. For example, during their time in power in late 1990s/early 2000s, they flattened personal income tax rate (from 3 to two levels) and generally lowered the taxes (thanks to them I am paying 19% flat income tax rate on my income :P).

They suffered a major defeat in 2005 elections, following a series of bribery scandals, and never recovered power. Finally, in the last elections, in 2016, they were utterly annihilated, failing to get even one MP.

Of the parties in the Parliament at the moment, PiS is the one with actually the most "social" programme but with a definitive traditionalist slant. For example, their flagship social programme is the recently introduced "500 plus" programme, where people with two or more children are eligible to receive a flat monthly stipend from the state, for every child in excess of the first one, irrespective of their actual financial status. So rich people with 2 or more children are technically eligible (but would probably not bother to get it, as it is just 500 zlotys, which is like EUR 150, per child) and poor single mothers with just one child are receiving zilch.

Outside of the ex-commies and PiS, there is also a new party with Scandinavia-style socialist ideas (in Poland, they count as Marxists), called "Razem" ("Together") which managed to get 3% in the last elections but did not get any MPs. But hopefully they will never matter much.

Two main Parliamentary opposition parties are liberal in the same sense as German FDP is/was.

That was clarifying, thanks.
The difference between Norwegian Labour and continental so-called socialists isn't that huge, really when it comes down to brass tacks, but the trade unions still have sway here. Thankfully. The Swedish socialdemocrats are more continental both in politics and rethoric. The Danes, I've written off long ago.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 15, 2016, 12:57:03 pm
Libertarians hate trade unions.  Seems odd that they would all belong to one.  Hell, the American AFL-CIO sent money and equipment to the Solidarity movement.

It's complicated. In 1980s it was a worker movement but mainly because a worker movement was the only type of movement that the regime would listen to - just like the French revolution started with upset aristocrats and bourgeoisie despite ending up as a popular revolution.

But almost all of the elites that grew out of the movement and took over in the 1990s belonged to two camps - pro-free-market neoliberals and Catholic conservatives. There were hardly any socialists there.

The AFL-CIO isn't socialist either.  You can be pro-worker without being a red.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 15, 2016, 12:57:42 pm
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 :rolleyes:

One of my idiot cousins fell for it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on April 15, 2016, 12:59:11 pm
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12670541_10156714736225433_6518733799774029560_n.jpg?oh=6412094c2643592ba18db24bf3562388&oe=577ABCD3)
 :rolleyes:

One of my idiot cousins fell for it.

We know. Also, cool!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on April 15, 2016, 02:22:33 pm
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"Do not forget, tonight the moon will be visible from all over France."
"That last time it happenned, it was yesterday night".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on April 15, 2016, 04:34:00 pm
Libertarians hate trade unions.  Seems odd that they would all belong to one.  Hell, the American AFL-CIO sent money and equipment to the Solidarity movement.

It's complicated. In 1980s it was a worker movement but mainly because a worker movement was the only type of movement that the regime would listen to - just like the French revolution started with upset aristocrats and bourgeoisie despite ending up as a popular revolution.

But almost all of the elites that grew out of the movement and took over in the 1990s belonged to two camps - pro-free-market neoliberals and Catholic conservatives. There were hardly any socialists there.

The AFL-CIO isn't socialist either.  You can be pro-worker without being a red.

Never met a pro-worker who wasn't a red, but to each his own.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 15, 2016, 04:53:18 pm
The US is perhaps odd in that respect.  US unions are typically (and have traditionally), been virulently anti-communist.  Union members are often quite conservative.  I have quite a few in the family, none were in it for radical politics.  Mostly they just want a good job with a good wage.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 15, 2016, 10:46:30 pm
Never met a pro-worker who wasn't a red, but to each his own.

Even the National Socialist German Workers Party? :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Norgy on April 16, 2016, 12:31:41 pm
Never met a pro-worker who wasn't a red, but to each his own.

Even the National Socialist German Workers Party? :P

Heart exploding to commence in 3-2-...


Raz, well, so were most Norwegian trade unions. The only examples I can think of that were truly "communist" in a sense, and that being Trotskiist, were the elevator fitters, installers and repairs union. The UK saw the Labour Party locally and a lot of unions being taken over by Trotskiists in the late 70s and early 80s.
I'm no communist, and barely socialist in most socialists' eyes, but I could get on the Bernie Sanders bandwagon, as he's representing the kind of democratic socialism I identify with.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on April 16, 2016, 02:08:09 pm
Heart exploding to commence in 3-2-...

:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Habbaku on April 19, 2016, 05:58:06 pm
Why.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on April 22, 2016, 07:09:22 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on April 22, 2016, 10:20:59 pm
Why.

Indeed.  Why do Communists even have money?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on April 27, 2016, 07:12:53 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: crazy canuck on April 27, 2016, 10:30:41 am
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.

You are getting as bad as Viper.  What left-wing party "embraced" wiping out the oil and gas industry?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 27, 2016, 10:35:27 am
Also Omarosa!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on April 27, 2016, 10:53:31 am
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.

You are getting as bad as Viper.  What left-wing party "embraced" wiping out the oil and gas industry?

The NDP. Not to defend BB to much but they did that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on April 27, 2016, 11:22:54 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/13043808_1716897815247035_7123233995455991020_n.jpg?oh=bdbc47757d60e71a182d3b41f552d3e4&oe=57A56443)

Ted Cruz isn't a Catholic.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on April 27, 2016, 11:29:51 am
Nor is he American or a Democrat.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on April 27, 2016, 04:19:11 pm
Nor is he American or a Democrat.
:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on April 27, 2016, 04:39:35 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.

You are getting as bad as Viper.  What left-wing party "embraced" wiping out the oil and gas industry?

The NDP and the Leap Manifesto.

They want the oil and gas industry to be extinct by 2050.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: crazy canuck on April 27, 2016, 06:16:50 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.

You are getting as bad as Viper.  What left-wing party "embraced" wiping out the oil and gas industry?

The NDP. Not to defend BB to much but they did that.

No they agreed to consider the manifesto.  It is a blood bath here in BC.  The NDP are ripping themselves apart over the issue.  McLeans even had a cover story on it entitled - how to kill the NDP.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: crazy canuck on April 27, 2016, 06:19:05 pm
The far left is not so much about that workers stuff anymore. They are a bunch of privileged abled people or something.

That became quite clear in Canada, when the left-wing party embraced a platform of wiping out the oil and gas industry, together with the hundred thousand blue collar working jobs that go with it.

You are getting as bad as Viper.  What left-wing party "embraced" wiping out the oil and gas industry?

The NDP and the Leap Manifesto.

They want the oil and gas industry to be extinct by 2050.

That is what I thought you were talking about.  Far from the NDP  "embracing" the manifesto the closest they came was to vote to consider it.  There was a huge amount of disagreement among the delegates about even going that far.  And for good reason.  It is a very divisive issue which pits the unions against the environmentalists. With a year to go before the BC election the timing could not be worse for the NDP here. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on April 30, 2016, 02:11:43 pm
Quote
<rant> Walked into a Louis Vutton for all of three minutes out of curiosity, because I'd never been in one before, and I practically ran out in a panic of confusion and disgust, with my sense of hope for the human race and the possibility of peace and equality on earth lying beaten up and tattered on the ground. I think it had something to do with the woman there promoting the small LV bag shaped vase with fake flowers in it as a Mother's Day gift for the unthinkable price tag of $6,000. Six fucking thousand dollars. I love my mom, and I know that she would be horrified, as I would hope all mothers would, if a child of theirs spent that much money on such a frivolous object while so many mothers' children in this planet starve. It blows my mind and saddens my heart how these two realities are possible. I'm not saying one should not occasionally indulge in nice things or experiences to take care of oneself and ones body and experience joy and pleasure. But there's a line, somewhere, I don't know exactly where, where indulgence makes me so angry I want to throw up. Thanks for listening </rant>
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tonitrus on April 30, 2016, 02:14:22 pm
That mom probably wasn't horrified when her husband laid out that much for a shiny hunk of frivolous geology.  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on April 30, 2016, 03:47:31 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2016, 04:01:14 pm
That is an absolutely atrocious PowerPoint.

She should've used "e.g." instead of "i.e."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on April 30, 2016, 04:04:31 pm
Fat Liberation Workshop. Only in America.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2016, 04:12:52 pm
I wonder what #4 is supposed to mean.

Maybe something about reducing meat consumption pisses fatties off?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on April 30, 2016, 04:28:30 pm
Fat Liberation Workshop. Only in America.

I doubt that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2016, 04:36:39 pm
I dunno; that outfit, looks like fat is already liberated.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on April 30, 2016, 05:47:03 pm
I wonder what #4 is supposed to mean.

Maybe something about reducing meat consumption pisses fatties off?

It means that activists within sustainable food movements and food justice movements (who can be good people, but who are also full of self-righteous people, like monomaniacal vegans) tend to associate fat people with the "other", those who are part of the problem - as meat eaters, unhealthy eaters, consumers of industrial junk food, etc.

 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on April 30, 2016, 06:04:08 pm
I wonder what #4 is supposed to mean.

Maybe something about reducing meat consumption pisses fatties off?

It means that activists within sustainable food movements and food justice movements (who can be good people, but who are also full of self-righteous people, like monomaniacal vegans) tend to associate fat people with the "other", those who are part of the problem - as meat eaters, unhealthy eaters, consumers of industrial junk food, etc.

Hello Oexy, good you have you back posting. :cheers:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on May 01, 2016, 02:02:32 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 01, 2016, 02:12:02 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 01, 2016, 02:22:04 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)

The only people who didn't get that are the ones who never read your posts, and they didn't read the clarification either.  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 01, 2016, 02:24:37 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)

The only people who didn't get that are the ones who never read your posts, and they didn't read the clarification either.  :P

But then would they see the picture I posted either? :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 01, 2016, 02:47:21 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?

Anorexia?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 01, 2016, 02:54:30 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?

Anorexia?

 :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on May 01, 2016, 03:01:21 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?

Anorexia?
Maybe, but Anorexia is a psychiatric disorder. Being underweight is only the symptom, not the disease itself.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 01, 2016, 03:04:32 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?

Anorexia?
Maybe, but Anorexia is a psychiatric disorder. Being underweight is only the symptom, not the disease itself.

I don't follow.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zanza on May 01, 2016, 03:13:03 am
Too bad.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 01, 2016, 03:27:19 am
He is changing goal posts, B.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 01, 2016, 11:44:13 am
Gotcha.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on May 01, 2016, 04:38:47 pm
Zanz0wned
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on May 02, 2016, 12:25:07 pm
Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?
it's more along the line of being overweight does not preclude being in bad health.  Existing adverse medical conditions can be amplified, but it is not true that being overweight automatically brings bad health in itself.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 02, 2016, 12:38:45 pm
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?

Unpopular opinion time: As someone who struggles to get rid of a spare tire, these tubs of lard acting like their physically revolting dietary habits are somehow on par with a genuine medical condition like PCOS or actual hypothyroidism, which really do cause uncontrollable weight gain, sicken me.  There's a difference between calling somebody fat for an extra 10 pounds that may or may not just be muscle, and calling out somebody who doesn't want to confront their own fucking food addiction.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 02, 2016, 12:40:23 pm
Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?
it's more along the line of being overweight does not preclude being in bad health.  Existing adverse medical conditions can be amplified, but it is not true that being overweight automatically brings bad health in itself.

Because it is a symptom, not a disease in itself.  The obnoxious thing about this "fat acceptance" fad is that it keeps people from talking about the real underlying issues causing the fatness in the first place.  Food addiction.  Being sedentary to the point of risking real cardiovascular issues.  Stuff like that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 02, 2016, 01:04:42 pm
I can get not wanting people to be all like 'OMG you are a big fat pig' all  the time. But hell if you that just move to the American South or Texas. Being fat is totally normal, nobody will give you shit about it.

But I think these people want more than just not getting shit for being fat, they want affirmation. And you really should not expect affirmation unless you are doing something generally considered impressive.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 02, 2016, 05:51:51 pm
Walking around with five hundred pounds of weight is impressive.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 02, 2016, 06:06:08 pm
I can get not wanting people to be all like 'OMG you are a big fat pig' all  the time. But hell if you that just move to the American South or Texas. Being fat is totally normal, nobody will give you shit about it.

But I think these people want more than just not getting shit for being fat, they want affirmation. And you really should not expect affirmation unless you are doing something generally considered impressive.

Being an unfairly oppressed victim is a variation on the theme of affirmation.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 02, 2016, 06:12:39 pm
Walking around with five hundred pounds of weight is impressive.

Indeed. Most people who weigh that much can hardly walk at all.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on May 03, 2016, 10:18:50 pm
Food addiction.  Being sedentary to the point of risking real cardiovascular issues.  Stuff like that.
and too much sugar in everything we eat and drink.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on May 09, 2016, 09:04:19 am
 :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on May 09, 2016, 09:12:42 am
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health" is climate change denial level of stupidity. Perhaps even worse. Is there any single condition that is not made worse by being overweight?
Fatness does not necessarily trigger the biomarkers for the conditions it can cause. I'm obese but recently aced a full-scale wellness test including blood sugar, cholesterol, resting heart-rate etc. because I exercise and my diet's good. In fact the nurse said "nearly everyone your age leaves with stains, but your risk of a cardiovascular incident is half that of average for your age.

There's a reverse causality at work too. If you don't exercise and eat well you're more likely to be overweight, and the first two are just as much culprits for life-affecting conditions as the weight itself.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 09, 2016, 09:15:04 am
I'm obese

:yeahright:

But then I come from Texas. If you can move without one of those scooter things you are not obese to us :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on May 09, 2016, 09:15:28 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)
Please don't call someone you don't know a bitch based on her appearance and Powerpoint skills.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 11, 2016, 07:19:24 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on May 11, 2016, 07:22:46 pm
I laughed
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on May 11, 2016, 09:32:30 pm
Yep.  That was a good one.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 12, 2016, 09:01:30 am
Not really that far out.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on May 12, 2016, 09:07:42 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)
Please don't call someone you don't know a bitch based on her appearance and Powerpoint skills.

Can we call her that for her wacky ideas?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on May 12, 2016, 09:59:55 am
Yep.  That was a good one.

You might enjoy https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfromgrandma (https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfromgrandma).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on May 12, 2016, 12:41:43 pm
Is this a place to post spam from complete lunatics forwarded to me? If so, here is an example:

Quote
The following text was communicated to me, David Maxim, by The Eternal God, The Lord JESUS The Christ:

NOW READ ABOUT THE FINAL DAYS OF HENRY MORGENTALER. HE WAS TOLD DIRECTLY BY LORD JESUS THE CHRIST HIS ABORITIONS WERE MURDER. HE DID NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS.

“Now concerning the last days of Henry Morgentaler:”

“Henry Morgentaler knew he was killing unborn babies. Before he died, I, Lord JESUS The Christ, told him directly to repent. He did not reply to me. The fact that he was Jewish and that most Jews still deny Me is no excuse. The Jews have been warned and told for more than 2,000 years of who I AM. I, LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, AM ALSO JEWISH OR DID YOU FORGET THAT?” (There are also many Christian Jews who know that Lord JESUS is The Son of God, God and Their Messiah, The Christ.)

“Before Morgentaler died, I gave him a DREAM**** about his abortions. His reaction was to never tell anyone about this. He knew before he died. Had Henry Morgentaler repented of his sins of murder to Me, I would have saved him from Hell. So you see, even though Morgentaler did not believe in Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, I revealed Myself to Him and told him about his murders before he died. So there. Read it again. Despite the fact that he personally murdered thousands of unborn babies, The Mercy, Love, and Forgiveness from Me was still available to him. That is correct. That is how much I love people; that I, Lord JESUS The Christ would be murdered and tortured for Henry Morgentaler's sins.”

“Henry Morgentaler said to Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, that if I would give him one more opportunity back on Earth, he would renounce abortion and abolish his clinics. He said he would tell everyone that he had met Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, and tell everyone that JESUS is God. I said to Morgentaler, I will not give you another opportunity. What a shame and a calamity; that he would deny he was a murderer when he knew in the last moments of his life who I AM, and that he still had a chance to be forgiven and make it to Heaven. Before I sentenced him to Hell for Eternity, he was given many, many, many, many chances to repent. He would not.”

**** DREAM: This is the exact dream given to unrepentant Baby-killer Henry Morgentaler.

The reason I know this is the DREAM given to Morgentaler is because: A few years before Morgentaler's death, I, David Maxim received a dream about abortion, what it is really like. At that time, I did not know the full meaning of this dream given to me. It was years laters, after Morgentaler died and went to Hell, that; with the help of The Lord JESUS The Christ, I was able link my dream with the dream The Lord JESUS The Christ said He gave to Morgentaler. Here is dream:

SAME DREAM given to David Maxim (Christian) and Unrepentant Baby-Killer Henry Morgentaler before he physically died:

DREAM: I was beside an indoor swimming pool. I saw a young toddler. Someone then through the young toddler into the (indoor) swimming pool. In the swimming pool was a shark I saw this shark clearly in the dream.

I then saw the face of this young toddler. What was unusual was that; this young toddler had a full set of adult teeth! This indicates that Father JEHOVAH God sees Babies at any stage of development, as adults; as fully grown! This is the dream from The Lord JESUS The Christ The Eternal God given to me, David Maxim and then later to Henry Morgentaler; before he physically died. Morgentaler knew abortion was murder, but would not stop, would not repent. Let me assure the Reader of this: Morgentaler is repentant now, but it is too late for him. Once you are DEAD, your JUDGMENT is set.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 12, 2016, 12:58:40 pm
Well, being a lawyer is kinda like being an abortionist.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 12, 2016, 01:00:29 pm
Is this a place to post spam from complete lunatics forwarded to me?

Forwarding messages from Jesus to a Jew? As an idolater I think you have to stone this lunatic to death.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 12, 2016, 01:28:22 pm
Is this a place to post spam from complete lunatics forwarded to me? If so, here is an example:

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The following text was communicated to me, David Maxim, by The Eternal God, The Lord JESUS The Christ:

NOW READ ABOUT THE FINAL DAYS OF HENRY MORGENTALER. HE WAS TOLD DIRECTLY BY LORD JESUS THE CHRIST HIS ABORITIONS WERE MURDER. HE DID NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS.

“Now concerning the last days of Henry Morgentaler:”

“Henry Morgentaler knew he was killing unborn babies. Before he died, I, Lord JESUS The Christ, told him directly to repent. He did not reply to me. The fact that he was Jewish and that most Jews still deny Me is no excuse. The Jews have been warned and told for more than 2,000 years of who I AM. I, LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, AM ALSO JEWISH OR DID YOU FORGET THAT?” (There are also many Christian Jews who know that Lord JESUS is The Son of God, God and Their Messiah, The Christ.)

“Before Morgentaler died, I gave him a DREAM**** about his abortions. His reaction was to never tell anyone about this. He knew before he died. Had Henry Morgentaler repented of his sins of murder to Me, I would have saved him from Hell. So you see, even though Morgentaler did not believe in Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, I revealed Myself to Him and told him about his murders before he died. So there. Read it again. Despite the fact that he personally murdered thousands of unborn babies, The Mercy, Love, and Forgiveness from Me was still available to him. That is correct. That is how much I love people; that I, Lord JESUS The Christ would be murdered and tortured for Henry Morgentaler's sins.”

“Henry Morgentaler said to Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, that if I would give him one more opportunity back on Earth, he would renounce abortion and abolish his clinics. He said he would tell everyone that he had met Me, Lord JESUS The Christ, and tell everyone that JESUS is God. I said to Morgentaler, I will not give you another opportunity. What a shame and a calamity; that he would deny he was a murderer when he knew in the last moments of his life who I AM, and that he still had a chance to be forgiven and make it to Heaven. Before I sentenced him to Hell for Eternity, he was given many, many, many, many chances to repent. He would not.”

**** DREAM: This is the exact dream given to unrepentant Baby-killer Henry Morgentaler.

The reason I know this is the DREAM given to Morgentaler is because: A few years before Morgentaler's death, I, David Maxim received a dream about abortion, what it is really like. At that time, I did not know the full meaning of this dream given to me. It was years laters, after Morgentaler died and went to Hell, that; with the help of The Lord JESUS The Christ, I was able link my dream with the dream The Lord JESUS The Christ said He gave to Morgentaler. Here is dream:

SAME DREAM given to David Maxim (Christian) and Unrepentant Baby-Killer Henry Morgentaler before he physically died:

DREAM: I was beside an indoor swimming pool. I saw a young toddler. Someone then through the young toddler into the (indoor) swimming pool. In the swimming pool was a shark I saw this shark clearly in the dream.

I then saw the face of this young toddler. What was unusual was that; this young toddler had a full set of adult teeth! This indicates that Father JEHOVAH God sees Babies at any stage of development, as adults; as fully grown! This is the dream from The Lord JESUS The Christ The Eternal God given to me, David Maxim and then later to Henry Morgentaler; before he physically died. Morgentaler knew abortion was murder, but would not stop, would not repent. Let me assure the Reader of this: Morgentaler is repentant now, but it is too late for him. Once you are DEAD, your JUDGMENT is set.

Didn't you represent Jesus Christ once?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on May 12, 2016, 01:32:47 pm

Didn't you represent Jesus Christ once?

Even better: he sued a client of mine.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 12, 2016, 01:33:35 pm

Didn't you represent Jesus Christ once?

Even better: he sued a client of mine.  :D

:lol:

I remember that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on May 12, 2016, 01:46:07 pm

Didn't you represent Jesus Christ once?

Even better: he sued a client of mine.  :D

:lol:

I remember that.

Alas, I don't seem to get cases like that anymore. :( Maybe my billing rate is too high or something.

I was also mildly involved in another case as young lawyer, where the client was famously sued by a Martian. That one got reported: it established the slightly worrying precedent that space aliens cannot sue in Ontario courts.  :D

[Just for kicks I noted it up, and it has been cited in Alberta, in a case involving a woman suing on the instructions of her sister's ghost:

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[61]           Nevertheless, in this instance I believe the correct approach is provided by an analogous scenario investigated in Joly v. Pelletier, [1999] O.J. No. 1728 (QL), 1999 CarswellOnt 1587 (Ont. Sup. Ct. J.). The plaintiff, Rene Joly, sued a variety of individuals, medical and lab facilities, and government officials who the plaintiff alleged had conspired with the American government to conceal the fact he was not human and: “... to eliminate him and otherwise taken various steps to interfere with his ability to establish himself and live freely as a martian.” Justice Epstein struck the action on two bases: it was frivolous and vexatious, and also as Rene Joly, self‑admitted martian, did not have standing with the court:

... While conspiracy to do harm to someone is the basis of many actions in the Court there is a fundamental flaw in the position of Mr. Joly. Rule 1.03 defines plaintiff as "a person who commences an action". The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary defines person as "an individual human being". Section 29 of the Interpretation Act provides that a person includes a corporation. It follows that if the plaintiff is not a person in that he is neither a human being nor a corporation, he cannot be a plaintiff as contemplated by the Rules of Civil Procedure. The entire basis of Mr. Joly's actions is that he is a martian, not a human being. There is certainly no suggest that he is a corporation. I conclude therefore that Mr. Joly, on his pleadings as drafted, has no status before the Court. [Emphasis added.]

 [62]           Justice Epstein has adopted a strict approach to the definition of “person”. In parallel, and absent clear legislative intent to the opposite, I refuse to entertain the directions of Ms. M. Leung (ghost), as channelled by Ms. Wong. This Court cannot and will not sit idly back and entertain applications by Ms. Wong that may be directed in Ms. Wong’s mind by the ghost of her late sister.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2013/2013abqb327/2013abqb327.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHbWFydGlhbgAAAAAB&resultIndex=6

So ghosts don't have standing, either.   :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 12, 2016, 01:50:23 pm

Didn't you represent Jesus Christ once?

Even better: he sued a client of mine.  :D

That was it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on May 12, 2016, 02:00:25 pm
Actually, when I come to think about it, the funny thing about the Jesus case is that it wasn't a 'vexatious litigant' (that is, lunatic). It was, oddly enough, a serious case about real money, and the guy behind it had something of a genuine beef - though he lost.  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on May 12, 2016, 02:07:01 pm
Yep.  That was a good one.

You might enjoy https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfromgrandma (https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfromgrandma).

Wow.  That you think those are similar to the Sander's plan meme is kinda disturbing.  Is that your grandmother sending those.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Phillip V on May 14, 2016, 07:32:20 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13166068_1800701330153105_4141978825435147155_n.jpg?oh=380014e1ae891627e68ca3a0cf210bf7&oe=57DEB952)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 14, 2016, 09:51:10 pm
Yeah I have seen that one going around. What a totally new message  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 15, 2016, 12:40:46 am
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13227106_822433901227512_765017618667135380_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=725cde05971b7416af4cabb55e4b5b05&oe=57DC5AA6)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 17, 2016, 06:08:36 am
Actually, when I come to think about it, the funny thing about the Jesus case is that it wasn't a 'vexatious litigant' (that is, lunatic). It was, oddly enough, a serious case about real money, and the guy behind it had something of a genuine beef - though he lost.  ;)

Are we still talking about Jesus's trial and crucifixion?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 17, 2016, 06:09:39 am
Just for the record, my post was meant to lampoon the idiocy of that fat bitch and her Powerpoint - not the lampoon people lampooning her. Just saying. ;)
Please don't call someone you don't know a bitch based on her appearance and Powerpoint skills.

Can we call her that for her wacky ideas?

This.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on May 17, 2016, 07:52:59 am
Lot of ill-temper on Languish the last couple of weeks, is this place becoming more Facebook like? :unsure:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on May 17, 2016, 09:04:27 am
Lot of ill-temper on Languish the last couple of weeks, is this place becoming more Facebook like? :unsure:

Probably just rutting season.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 17, 2016, 05:36:25 pm
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f09jpdW2mjE/VqhF7VcjTMI/AAAAAAAAPkw/D8w2cUu7tFE/s1600/Government%2BWants%2BYou%2Bto%2BRemeber%2BSchool%2BShootings.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 17, 2016, 07:09:58 pm
I always love those "the government doesn't want you to know about X".  That must be why that picture was in 10th grade history book, because the government didn't want me to know about it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 17, 2016, 07:12:07 pm
I always love those "the government doesn't want you to know about X".  That must be why that picture was in 10th grade history book, because the government didn't want me to know about it.

People who like conspiracies tend to be the ones who skipped 10th grade history.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 17, 2016, 07:50:04 pm
I remember being lectured at the EUOT that the American media/government/Jews were keeping some information from me.  Inevitably the information was easy to find, such as in a CNN article or textbook.  I always wondered what inspired people to say such stupid things.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 18, 2016, 08:03:39 am
I remember being lectured at the EUOT that the American media/government/Jews were keeping some information from me.  Inevitably the information was easy to find, such as in a CNN article or textbook.  I always wondered what inspired people to say such stupid things.
THey like being victims.  They also like being one of the Select who see how things really are.  Not like you sheeple.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 18, 2016, 09:12:02 am
I remember being lectured at the EUOT that the American media/government/Jews were keeping some information from me.  Inevitably the information was easy to find, such as in a CNN article or textbook.  I always wondered what inspired people to say such stupid things.

Low intelligence, often the result of untreated retardism.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 18, 2016, 06:48:46 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13241260_659456034208283_2783228018904922742_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=484e5bfb1c9d842e4f7f3c588cf61058&oe=57D39F94)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 18, 2016, 06:55:57 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13166060_10209603126413917_6391833848587221545_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=7c5fadcc9ea0d9837ce2f92d36079e35&oe=57E42CAF)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 18, 2016, 07:30:47 pm
Dogs are much better suited to live amongst humans than wolves are.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 18, 2016, 08:09:28 pm
Yeah, dogs developed an excellent survival strategy.  Do work for people, people feed them and don't kill them.  Cats developed and even better one, don't do anything for people, and people feed and protect them.  Wolves, not so much.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tonitrus on May 19, 2016, 12:37:01 am
And while wolves might be cooler, they're also much closer to being wiped out.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 19, 2016, 01:01:46 am
Dogs are Uncle Toms.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on May 19, 2016, 12:20:14 pm
 :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 19, 2016, 12:25:44 pm
Spelling is a bit off.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 21, 2016, 04:13:21 am
Quote
True. Like it or not.
Oh and just a friendly reminder, the Nobel peace prize was awarded to Europe in 2012.

It's been a long time since the last preaching by assertion.

This is about a FAZ article justifying German guild and self-hatred.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/janne-teller-thank-god-for-the-burden-of-history-14243542.html#GEPC;s6 (http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/janne-teller-thank-god-for-the-burden-of-history-14243542.html#GEPC;s6)

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The Burden of History
How the German Sense of Guilt Saves the European Reputation
In choosing response to the current refugee crisis, European countries should look to Germany. But not just to its current specific rhetoric and policies that - despite falling far short of the needs – still wager more humane than most of the rest of Europe’s. Yet, much more so as to the reasons why: a profound understanding of the costs for future generations of nations acting inhumanely.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 21, 2016, 05:02:01 pm
Dogs are Uncle Toms.

Well, you don't exactly go to the airport and see cats wearing DO NOT PET vests sniffing luggage for contraband drugs.  Fuck that noise, let the humans deal with their own problems.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 21, 2016, 05:09:23 pm
I'll have you know that my short-lived feline assistance program, "At Purr Service!", was the very epitome of a self-reliance, by-your-own-bootstraps handicapped service animal model. 

Nothing empowers the handicapable to help themselves more than a service cat.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 04:18:33 am
(https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13232869_494865827389423_7026526271443324639_n.jpg?oh=af07661b1ce7586f0d2e86fc206c37ad&oe=57DECD38)

Funny how a complete lack of diversity is something to be proud of, as long as it does not involve men.

Imagine their periods syncing, though.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 04:23:23 am
I see some Asian women in the back. :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 04:38:52 am
I see some Asian women in the back. :huh:

That's one. And it doesn't change the fact they are all women.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 05:01:04 am
I see some Asian women in the back. :huh:

That's one. And it doesn't change the fact they are all women.

Did you or did you not say 'complete lack of diversity'? The two Asian women seem contrary to that notion.

On a substance front, I don't know if we should cry many tears because a meeting of editors took place and there were no men.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 05:17:52 am
The point is that she is boasting about it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 05:33:29 am
I don't think that's a problem either.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 06:03:33 am
Imagine the same post made by an employee of a mayor publication but with the whole room being just men (mostly white men), and with smileys referring to some sort of "male power".
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 06:53:20 am
Well I don't need to imagine that meeting as that's mostly what happens. No one would even do what you are suggesting because it is so typical. But yes, that would be sexist given the history and current state of affairs around the genders in the workplace.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on May 23, 2016, 07:10:18 am
I'm with Marti on this one.  Confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcomes is bad enough, but passing off gross inequality in both as equality is Orwellian.  I swear, it's like the universe is conspiring to shake my liberal beliefs by constantly throwing such nonsense at me.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 07:13:42 am
If your beliefs can be shaken by such, perhaps they aren't all that deeply held to begin with.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 07:17:50 am
Thanks to people like garbon I can't wait for Trump to win the elections.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 07:21:38 am
Thanks to people like garbon I can't wait for Trump to win the elections.

Childish poster is childish. News at 11.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on May 23, 2016, 07:22:17 am
If your beliefs can be shaken by such, perhaps they aren't all that deeply held to begin with.
No, I think Orwellian doublespeak, or blatant double standards, are pretty big issues.  I'm a liberal mainly because I like to think for myself, and because I think society functions best when it permits and encourages people to think for themselves. 

That reason goes away if liberal thought becomes permeated just different kinds of groupthinks.  One of the most effective ways to control how people think is to control the language;  "diversity' is a good word, so let's define "diversity" as "percentage of people that are not white and male".  It's disgusting and alarming.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 07:29:06 am
It's disgusting and alarming.

OK, Tim. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 07:40:07 am
If your beliefs can be shaken by such, perhaps they aren't all that deeply held to begin with.
No, I think Orwellian doublespeak, or blatant double standards, are pretty big issues.  I'm a liberal mainly because I like to think for myself, and because I think society functions best when it permits and encourages people to think for themselves. 

That reason goes away if liberal thought becomes permeated just different kinds of groupthinks.  One of the most effective ways to control how people think is to control the language;  "diversity' is a good word, so let's define "diversity" as "percentage of people that are not white and male".  It's disgusting and alarming.

Like Humpty Dumpty said, it's about who is the master - if you redefine the language, you redefine reality. This has been the "regressive left's" tactics for decades, with everything from rape to diversity to fascism.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on May 23, 2016, 07:44:43 am
When it comes to 'fascism", it's a whole lot simpler.  Usually when people say "fascist" they mean "authoritarian", but "authoritarian" neither rolls off the tongue well, nor is it even easy to type.  So there is temptation to go with a much easier word, even though it is technically not very applicable.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 23, 2016, 08:06:17 am

No, I think Orwellian doublespeak, or blatant double standards, are pretty big issues.  I'm a liberal mainly because I like to think for myself, and because I think society functions best when it permits and encourages people to think for themselves. 


I imagine Berkut disagrees.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 08:15:22 am
Luckily, there's real leftism, which holds as little truck with self-congratulatory identity politics as the right does.  We want to put the majority -- workers -- into power, not this minority or that, especially not when that group is an extraordinarily privileged one like the one pictured.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 08:21:56 am
If your beliefs can be shaken by such, perhaps they aren't all that deeply held to begin with.

So, what you are saying is that we have always been at war with EastAsia?

It is always fascinating to watch the hypocritical at work.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 08:25:13 am
If your beliefs can be shaken by such, perhaps they aren't all that deeply held to begin with.

So, what you are saying is that we have always been at war with EastAsia?

It is always fascinating to watch the hypocritical at work.

I'm sorry but I don't follow you at all.

I do think there is something wrong with having one's beliefs shaken by a tweet.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 08:25:48 am
Luckily, there's real leftism, which holds as little truck with self-congratulatory identity politics as the right does.  We want to put the majority -- workers -- into power, not this minority or that, especially not when that group is an extraordinarily privileged one like the one pictured.

Yes that is rather tone deaf.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on May 23, 2016, 08:30:16 am
I do think there is something wrong with having one's beliefs shaken by a tweet.
:huh: I didn't say it was just a single tweet.  Do you even read the posts before you start composing witty comebacks?  Things add up to an impression, one piece of communication at a time.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 08:30:58 am
I see that Huff Po's entire editing staff looks under 35. How Ageist.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 08:31:40 am
I do think there is something wrong with having one's beliefs shaken by a tweet.
:huh: I didn't say it was just a single tweet.  Do you even read the posts before you start composing witty comebacks?  Things add up to an impression, one piece of communication at a time.

Okay, several social media posts.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 09:12:37 am
Luckily, there's real leftism, which holds as little truck with self-congratulatory identity politics as the right does.  We want to put the majority -- workers -- into power, not this minority or that, especially not when that group is an extraordinarily privileged one like the one pictured.

Fair enough. At least it's a honest way to convince me that I am not a leftist. :P

But I respect it more than identity politics, as perpetrated by one of the most privileged groups in human history, aka white Western middle class women.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 09:17:24 am
I do think there is something wrong with having one's beliefs shaken by a tweet.
:huh: I didn't say it was just a single tweet.  Do you even read the posts before you start composing witty comebacks?  Things add up to an impression, one piece of communication at a time.

I wouldn't even say that your beliefs are "shaken" - it's just what used to be described as leftism/liberalism got highjacked by a bunch of ideologues with authoritarian tendencies, only with a scenography differing (as it was changed from "God, country and guns" to various identity groups and "oppression"). But from a Marxist perspective, the foundation/base is the same (keeping down the working class/rednecks) - only the superstructure has changed.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 09:18:30 am
But I respect it more than identity politics, as perpetrated by one of the most privileged groups in human history, aka white Western middle class women.

Well feminism has long been the doing of white Western middle class women. Only ones privileged enough to have the time to make a movement about it. Only with the emergence of 'identity politics' did feminism start to change when you had black women saying 'hey, those issues you, white ladies are all concerned about have little to do with the struggles we face as black women.'
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 09:27:26 am
To me identity politics is guilty of the same sin as any form of totalitarianism - it stops to view people as individuals and instead ascribes to them motivations, needs and agendas solely on the basis of their membership in a group, such as gender, race or sexuality (and even goes so far as to deny those who "break the lines" an independent agency, dehumanizing them as "self-hating", "uncle Toms" and similar epithets). As such, it is an enemy of any movement based on personal liberty and personal responsibility - in short the entire foundation of Western thought (from classical philosophy, to Christianity, to the Enlightenment).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 09:30:14 am
To me identity politics is guilty of the same sin as any form of totalitarianism - it stops to view people as individuals and instead ascribes to them motivations, needs and agendas solely on the basis of their membership in a group, such as gender, race or sexuality (and even goes so far as to deny those who "break the lines" an independent agency, dehumanizing them as "self-hating", "uncle Toms" and similar epithets). As such, it is an enemy of any movement based on personal liberty and personal responsibility - in short the entire foundation of Western thought (from classical philosophy, to Christianity, to the Enlightenment).

I do wonder about people saying their identity is this big complicated intersection of all these naval gazing gender, race, and sexuality components. I mean I get those are part of who you are but surely ones identity is more about who you want to be as a person and what you want to do with your life than those things. But maybe that is just my 30-something brain talking since all that naval gazing stuff is something people tend to do when they are young.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 09:41:29 am
Luckily, there's real leftism, which holds as little truck with self-congratulatory identity politics as the right does.  We want to put the majority -- workers -- into power, not this minority or that, especially not when that group is an extraordinarily privileged one like the one pictured.

Fair enough. At least it's a honest way to convince me that I am not a leftist. :P

But I respect it more than identity politics, as perpetrated by one of the most privileged groups in human history, aka white Western middle class women.

Making the ruling class more "diverse" by making bosses out of some women and/or non-white people is cold comfort to a lot of people who haven't a prayer of making even their grandchildren members of that class.

Hence the fundamental inadequacy of Clintonian finger-wagging and mock-horror that the "Trump Democrats" who gave Sanders those 80/20 primary victories (hint: not young affluent "Bros") couldn't give a shit about the welfare of a party steadfastly intent on rejecting their interests or of a candidate who continues to ignore them as the general election gets closer.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 09:44:48 am
Making the ruling class more "diverse" by making bosses out of some women and/or non-white people is cold comfort to a lot of people who haven't a prayer of making even their grandchildren members of that class.

Hence the fundamental inadequacy of Clintonian finger-wagging and mock-horror that the "Trump Democrats" who gave Sanders those 80/20 primary victories (hint: not young affluent "Bros") couldn't give a shit about the welfare of a party steadfastly intent on rejecting their interests or of a candidate who continues to ignore them as the general election gets closer.

Free trade policies have lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. The temporary pain will be well worth it in the end. Besides how large can the "ruling class" actually be? Putting everybody in the "ruling class" seems about as realistic as trying to make all children above average.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 09:52:44 am
Making the ruling class more "diverse" by making bosses out of some women and/or non-white people is cold comfort to a lot of people who haven't a prayer of making even their grandchildren members of that class.

Hence the fundamental inadequacy of Clintonian finger-wagging and mock-horror that the "Trump Democrats" who gave Sanders those 80/20 primary victories (hint: not young affluent "Bros") couldn't give a shit about the welfare of a party steadfastly intent on rejecting their interests or of a candidate who continues to ignore them as the general election gets closer.

Free trade policies have lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. The temporary pain will be well worth it in the end. Besides how large can the "ruling class" actually be? Putting everybody in the "ruling class" seems about as realistic as trying to make all children above average.

Hint: the point is eliminating the existence of a ruling class.

And I'll just sit here and wait for the voluminous evidence that "free trade" policies have "lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty"; or else I'll just assert that they have equally consigned hundreds of millions to permanent economic instability and dependency.  "Oh but all those Bangladeshis making Nikes for $0.35 an hour were worse as rice farmers!" -- when the prospect of Bangladesh industrialisizing (and being permitted to industrialize) via an ISI scheme isn't contemplated as an alternative; it's either the neoliberal status quo or feudal rice farming, and that's it.

EDIT:  Turkey, India, and Brazil -- to name a few important players, and not to mention China! -- didn't lift their millions out of poverty post-1945 by abjectly accepting the "free trade" conditions imposed upon them by the Western powers, if you'd bother to do the homework for yourself instead of accepting the rationale of the World Bank/IMF/(Eurozone?) that any other means of development is impossible.

EDIT 2:  And the instability of places like the Shah's Iran and various Latin American and Middle Eastern countries is precisely due to the export-commodity-oriented demands of the Western powers and the subsequent neoliberal ideology (of dismantling the social state, etc.) that formed around it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on May 23, 2016, 10:00:15 am
I love you Mihali but such first world city dweller logic can get on my nerves. If you think it is such an injustice to lift a country out of subsistence farming it is still not too late for you to find a piece of land somewhere where you can live the True Life.

Just because people invested in shitholes for the own profit and not for the welfare of the general population, and that the process of improvement isn't an overnight thing, it does not make it bad, or net negative.

I know it is much more fun from the outside to let the third world remain on their farms and their funny little huts but let's give the chance to those who want more, shall we?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 10:07:18 am
To me identity politics is guilty of the same sin as any form of totalitarianism - it stops to view people as individuals and instead ascribes to them motivations, needs and agendas solely on the basis of their membership in a group, such as gender, race or sexuality (and even goes so far as to deny those who "break the lines" an independent agency, dehumanizing them as "self-hating", "uncle Toms" and similar epithets). As such, it is an enemy of any movement based on personal liberty and personal responsibility - in short the entire foundation of Western thought (from classical philosophy, to Christianity, to the Enlightenment).

I do wonder about people saying their identity is this big complicated intersection of all these naval gazing gender, race, and sexuality components. I mean I get those are part of who you are but surely ones identity is more about who you want to be as a person and what you want to do with your life than those things. But maybe that is just my 30-something brain talking since all that naval gazing stuff is something people tend to do when they are young.

Well I would love to just be who I am as a person but this pesky brown skin, well people ascribe judgments and motivations to it. :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 10:08:06 am
I love you Mihali but such first world city dweller logic can get on my nerves. If you think it is such an injustice to lift a country out of subsistence farming it is still not too late for you to find a piece of land somewhere where you can live the True Life.

Just because people invested in shitholes for the own profit and not for the welfare of the general population, and that the process of improvement isn't an overnight thing, it does not make it bad, or net negative.

I know it is much more fun from the outside to let the third world remain on their farms and their funny little huts but let's give the chance to those who want more, shall we?

:rolleyes:  I love you too Tamas, but this is really the most laughable kind of argument.  It's not too late for you find yourself a plot of land in the Third World and show them the glories of free-market capitalism, either.  Why aren't you on that ship?  Why did you instead catch the ship in the other direction, rather than convincing your fellow Hungarians of the free market's glories?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on May 23, 2016, 10:10:39 am
Because I tried and I failed :P

I am sorry but I fly off the handle every time someone argues against modernisation on the grounds of "what they have is good enough for them". It's racist and condescending when the one saying it does not share the same living conditions and general outlook for the future.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:11:34 am
Well I would love to just be who I am as a person but this pesky brown skin, well people ascribe judgments and motivations to it. :(

Sure people ascribe things to me based on all that shit to. But that is not who I am.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on May 23, 2016, 10:15:54 am
Well I would love to just be who I am as a person but this pesky brown skin, well people ascribe judgments and motivations to it. :(

Sure people ascribe things to me based on all that shit to. But that is not who I am.

It isn't who I am either - but it would also be a mistake to ignore the impact that such an 'identity' (though foisted on me by others) has as an impact. I think it would also be a mistake to not wish for that to change.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 10:16:33 am
every time someone argues against modernisation on the grounds of "what they have is good enough for them". It's racist and condescending when the one saying it does not share the same living conditions and general outlook for the future.

:huh:  I'd object to those grounds for an argument against modernization as well, just as strenuously as you.  It just happens that I'm arguing for modernization on different grounds than you.  And I find that no more racist and condescending than anything a relatively privileged member of a globally privileged society can say about the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:17:22 am
I am sorry but I fly off the handle every time someone argues against modernisation on the grounds of "what they have is good enough for them". It's racist and condescending when the one saying it does not share the same living conditions and general outlook for the future.

But the savages are so noble Tamas! Why corrupt them with our decadent ways? :(
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:18:40 am
It isn't who I am either - but it would also be a mistake to ignore the impact that such an 'identity' (though foisted on me by others) has as an impact. I think it would also be a mistake to not wish for that to change.

That is not what I am objecting to though. It is people claiming a race/gender/sexuality identity for themselves rather than fighting some bullshit foisted upon them by assholes.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 10:19:56 am
If you want to talk about racist and condescending, the "$0.35 an hour sewing Nikes is good enough for them; after all, they'd be tenant farmers in the rice paddies otherwise" argument advanced by the "free market" crowd had a good lead on anything the socialists produce.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on May 23, 2016, 10:20:31 am
Well I would love to just be who I am as a person but this pesky brown skin, well people ascribe judgments and motivations to it. :(

Sure people ascribe things to me based on all that shit to. But that is not who I am.

To be fair us white straight males don't have to worry about that. I am not saying the whole PC and equality thing isn't getting overblown by the shrill elements, but you and I really can't know it because we never encounter it.

Silly example coming: it was enough of a taste of the uncomfortable position of being on the receiving end of stereotypes (and how minor it was!) living in the UK during the election campaign and seeing that my demographic (East European immigrants) are the cause of every bad thing befalling the Englishmen, right down to traffic jams.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 10:21:50 am
Luckily, there's real leftism, which holds as little truck with self-congratulatory identity politics as the right does.  We want to put the majority -- workers -- into power, not this minority or that, especially not when that group is an extraordinarily privileged one like the one pictured.

Fair enough. At least it's a honest way to convince me that I am not a leftist. :P

But I respect it more than identity politics, as perpetrated by one of the most privileged groups in human history, aka white Western middle class women.

Making the ruling class more "diverse" by making bosses out of some women and/or non-white people is cold comfort to a lot of people who haven't a prayer of making even their grandchildren members of that class.

Hence the fundamental inadequacy of Clintonian finger-wagging and mock-horror that the "Trump Democrats" who gave Sanders those 80/20 primary victories (hint: not young affluent "Bros") couldn't give a shit about the welfare of a party steadfastly intent on rejecting their interests or of a candidate who continues to ignore them as the general election gets closer.

Yeah, it's basically what the Onion is lampooning in this article I posted in the elections thread:

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Shocking: The Average Female CEO Only Makes 258 Times What Her Employees Make
Posted Feb. 12, 2015

Wow. We knew that gender inequality in America was bad, but according to an alarming new study, it’s actually much worse than anyone could’ve thought.

A recently released report from the U.S. Census Bureau revealed that female CEOs in America make a paltry 258 times what their average employee makes, while male CEOs make an average of 331 times more than theirs. That’s a pay gap of nearly 23 percent, which in dollar value—per median salary of U.S. CEOs—translates to an average disparity of $2.57 million, or enough to buy approximately 12 Aston Martins.

These numbers empirically prove that inequality is alive and well in the United States. It’s hard to fathom that in 2015, women who take the same cutthroat routes to the peak of the corporate ladder as their male peers are still only earning the commensurate income of a combined 258 subordinates. This means these women are being forced to get by on just $8 million to $9 million a year (and that’s before taxes!).

If true equality is ever to be achieved, then the wealth needs to funnel away from the pockets of the topmost male earners and into the offshore accounts of the women who are every bit as deserving. Why should male executives be able to afford five or six mountain estates across the world while their female counterparts are forced to make do with just four?

Share this article if you believe that gender discrimination is out of control and that female CEOs should be able to afford the same number of private jets and luxury yachts as male CEOs. It’s just what’s right.

http://www.clickhole.com/article/shocking-average-female-ceo-only-makes-258-times-w-1847
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 10:23:12 am
The temporary pain will be well worth it in the end.

You are Tyrion Lannister arguing that 7 years of slavery is nothing. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 23, 2016, 10:23:17 am

Hint: the point is eliminating the existence of a ruling class.

And I'll just sit here and wait for the voluminous evidence that "free trade" policies have "lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty"; or else I'll just assert that they have equally consigned hundreds of millions to permanent economic instability and dependency.  "Oh but all those Bangladeshis making Nikes for $0.35 an hour were worse as rice farmers!" -- when the prospect of Bangladesh industrialisizing (and being permitted to industrialize) via an ISI scheme isn't contemplated as an alternative; it's either the neoliberal status quo or feudal rice farming, and that's it.

EDIT:  Turkey, India, and Brazil -- to name a few important players, and not to mention China! -- didn't lift their millions out of poverty post-1945 by abjectly accepting the "free trade" conditions imposed upon them by the Western powers, if you'd bother to do the homework for yourself instead of accepting the rationale of the World Bank/IMF/(Eurozone?) that any other means of development is impossible.

EDIT 2:  And the instability of places like the Shah's Iran and various Latin American and Middle Eastern countries is precisely due to the export-commodity-oriented demands of the Western powers and the subsequent neoliberal ideology (of dismantling the social state, etc.) that formed around it.

What nonsense.  First you can't eliminate ruling classes.  As soon as you do, a new one has to take its place (see NomenKlatura of the Soviet Union), second Turkey, India, Brazil and China are all still desperately poor.  India has had notoriously slow growth following WWII, especially compared to a country like South Korea.  The economic growth of these nations in the last 30 years has been because of the partial rejection of the "other means of development".

Iran, the middle East, and Latin America were unstable for a long time before the neoliberal ideology took hold in the late 1970's.  In fact stability has increased dramatically since the end of the Cold War.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 10:26:01 am
To me identity politics is guilty of the same sin as any form of totalitarianism - it stops to view people as individuals and instead ascribes to them motivations, needs and agendas solely on the basis of their membership in a group, such as gender, race or sexuality (and even goes so far as to deny those who "break the lines" an independent agency, dehumanizing them as "self-hating", "uncle Toms" and similar epithets). As such, it is an enemy of any movement based on personal liberty and personal responsibility - in short the entire foundation of Western thought (from classical philosophy, to Christianity, to the Enlightenment).

I do wonder about people saying their identity is this big complicated intersection of all these naval gazing gender, race, and sexuality components. I mean I get those are part of who you are but surely ones identity is more about who you want to be as a person and what you want to do with your life than those things. But maybe that is just my 30-something brain talking since all that naval gazing stuff is something people tend to do when they are young.

Well I would love to just be who I am as a person but this pesky brown skin, well people ascribe judgments and motivations to it. :(

This "pesky brown skin" with Stanford education and better job and flat than 90% of people on Languish. So cry me a river. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:26:49 am
If you want to talk about racist and condescending, the "$0.35 an hour sewing Nikes is good enough for them; after all, they'd be tenant farmers in the rice paddies otherwise" argument advanced by the "free market" crowd had a good lead on anything the socialists produce.

Offering economic opportunities is racist and condescending? $0.35 an hour is not good enough but you have to start someplace. What is your non-racist and non-condescending plan?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:28:45 am
The temporary pain will be well worth it in the end.

You are Tyrion Lannister arguing that 7 years of slavery is nothing. :P

More like 7 years on welfare, these are first world workers we are talking about. We put together a plan for world economic development. Statistics show it is working. I presume you had a better plan?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 10:30:56 am
India, Brazil, and China are by no means "desperately poor" on a global basis.  And SK was permitted to introduce the kind of tariffs necessary to stimulate domestic industrialization, not to mention the anomaly of having a superpower dedicated to its success, ready to buy its goods, to supply it with foreign aid, and to loan it money at advantageous rates.  From the other side of the Cold War, Cuba was relatively successful at industrializing under similar circumstances, too, even though they remained dependent on the export of sugar and coffee.

EDIT:  And yes, Iran's stability has increased quite notably since the 1979 revolution. :lol:  The "banana republics" were, in a sense, a crude neoliberalism avant la lettre; one liberally enforced by US military intervention where states were prohibited from any kind of internal development and were induced/forced to base their economy around export-oriented commodities, often a single commodity -- like bananas.  So their pre-1945 lack of stability really cuts against your argument rather than in favor of it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 10:32:21 am
The temporary pain will be well worth it in the end.

You are Tyrion Lannister arguing that 7 years of slavery is nothing. :P

More like 7 years on welfare, these are first world workers we are talking about. We put together a plan for world economic development. Statistics show it is working. I presume you had a better plan?

I don't. I am just saying it is not a convincing argument if we are talking about "temporary pain" of yourself or that of your loved ones.

Frankly speaking, despite my ideological soul searching for the last decades, I don't have a very good plan how to improve people's lives en masse. So far, generally giving people as much freedom as possible, while reacting to biggest injustice and helping those in greatest suffering out of charity, seems like the best solution - even though it is not terribly original nor perfect.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on May 23, 2016, 10:43:51 am
If you want to talk about racist and condescending, the "$0.35 an hour sewing Nikes is good enough for them; after all, they'd be tenant farmers in the rice paddies otherwise" argument advanced by the "free market" crowd had a good lead on anything the socialists produce.

Offering economic opportunities is racist and condescending? $0.35 an hour is not good enough but you have to start someplace. What is your non-racist and non-condescending plan?
Force the foreign companies to pay their workers in Bangladesh $7/hour, they're just as human as the American workers.  If you implement this plan, I guarantee you that there will be a massive reduction in the number of upsetting stories leftists in the west will get to see.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 10:48:43 am
:rolleyes: Because that's what anyone has said.  I hate to say it, but less of a strawman couldn't be found in the Wizard of Oz.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:54:20 am

I don't. I am just saying it is not a convincing argument if we are talking about "temporary pain" of yourself or that of your loved ones.

Frankly speaking, despite my ideological soul searching for the last decades, I don't have a very good plan how to improve people's lives en masse. So far, generally giving people as much freedom as possible, while reacting to biggest injustice and helping those in greatest suffering out of charity, seems like the best solution - even though it is not terribly original nor perfect.

Well nothing is free. Considering the short term issues the free trade regime was likely to bring on I think things have gone...alright. I was worried it would be worse.

I am all for charity and welfare to help people out and give them the ability to better themselves. But economic opportunities had to come as well. Opening up the markets of the developed world had to be done in order to grow those local economies. Eventually that should provide better opportunities for the workers back home.

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Force the foreign companies to pay their workers in Bangladesh $7/hour, they're just as human as the American workers.  If you implement this plan, I guarantee you that there will be a massive reduction in the number of upsetting stories leftists in the west will get to see.

I know you are joking but as more and more countries pass laws like (or rather have labor markets that demand pay like this) this over time there will be fewer and fewer places the corporations can economically move to. At least that is the plan :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on May 23, 2016, 11:08:49 am


I know you are joking but as more and more countries pass laws like (or rather have labor markets that demand pay like this) this over time there will be fewer and fewer places the corporations can economically move to. At least that is the plan :P


well yeah that is just the thing: if we don't mess it up with protections systems and wars, eventually, the western worker will earn a bit less, third world workers will earn much more, and it will more or less balance itself out minus local specialties.

i.e. what Mihali and the other lefties talk of wanting, but in fact not wanting.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 11:10:03 am

I don't. I am just saying it is not a convincing argument if we are talking about "temporary pain" of yourself or that of your loved ones.

Frankly speaking, despite my ideological soul searching for the last decades, I don't have a very good plan how to improve people's lives en masse. So far, generally giving people as much freedom as possible, while reacting to biggest injustice and helping those in greatest suffering out of charity, seems like the best solution - even though it is not terribly original nor perfect.

Well nothing is free. Considering the short term issues the free trade regime was likely to bring on I think things have gone...alright. I was worried it would be worse.

I am all for charity and welfare to help people out and give them the ability to better themselves. But economic opportunities had to come as well. Opening up the markets of the developed world had to be done in order to grow those local economies. Eventually that should provide better opportunities for the workers back home.

You misunderstood me. I am not saying we should not do any of those things - I am just saying that the "long term benefit for the economy" is not a great consolation for people who lost their jobs in the Rust Belt, for example.

That is why more freedom* should be the rule of thumb - because when you try to have everyone follow your master plan, there will always be winners and losers - and telling the losers they are the collateral damage to your Grand Design for the Bettermen of Humanity (tm) is a tad hypocritical.

*At least at the level of a nation or a group of nations agreeing to follow the same rules (such as the EU). This gets much more tricky when you have different nations following different rules, when some of them just play dirty.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on May 23, 2016, 11:11:19 am
Shouldn't this discussion be in the Venezuela thread?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on May 23, 2016, 12:04:55 pm
India, Brazil, and China are by no means "desperately poor" on a global basis.  And SK was permitted to introduce the kind of tariffs necessary to stimulate domestic industrialization, not to mention the anomaly of having a superpower dedicated to its success, ready to buy its goods, to supply it with foreign aid, and to loan it money at advantageous rates.  From the other side of the Cold War, Cuba was relatively successful at industrializing under similar circumstances, too, even though they remained dependent on the export of sugar and coffee.

EDIT:  And yes, Iran's stability has increased quite notably since the 1979 revolution. :lol:  The "banana republics" were, in a sense, a crude neoliberalism avant la lettre; one liberally enforced by US military intervention where states were prohibited from any kind of internal development and were induced/forced to base their economy around export-oriented commodities, often a single commodity -- like bananas.  So their pre-1945 lack of stability really cuts against your argument rather than in favor of it.

India, China, and Brazil are pretty poor.  Tell, who "let" S. Korea prosper?  Why didn't they "let" India prosper?  Latin America was pretty unstable before the US ever became a major power or before any country adopted the first liberalism.  Their instability was the cause of American influence, not the result of it.  A strong stable country doesn't have other people set up dictators.  You may have noticed that the US efforts to control Canada didn't work out so well.  In a sense, the economies and governments were Latin America were left overs of traditional economies and governments of European colonies.  In fact, a much more real sense then any avant la lettre of "Neoliberalism".  Somehow I doubt that the Hacienda owners had a prescient knowledge of 1970's and 1980's economic fads.  In fact, the economic systems of Latin America are very much like the one that existed in the US prior to the US civil war, when the liberals destroyed it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 23, 2016, 02:01:09 pm
India, Brazil, and China are by no means "desperately poor" on a global basis.  And SK was permitted to introduce the kind of tariffs necessary to stimulate domestic industrialization, not to mention the anomaly of having a superpower dedicated to its success, ready to buy its goods, to supply it with foreign aid, and to loan it money at advantageous rates.  From the other side of the Cold War, Cuba was relatively successful at industrializing under similar circumstances, too, even though they remained dependent on the export of sugar and coffee.

China was desperately poor before Deng opened the economy.  Working from memory, per capita income was $54 a year under Mao.  Cuba hasn't been a success at anything.  Cuban income is $20 a month and 3 eggs a week.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 02:13:54 pm
Shouldn't this discussion be in the Venezuela thread?

No, that's the thread for discussing Bernie.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 02:19:43 pm
You misunderstood me. I am not saying we should not do any of those things - I am just saying that the "long term benefit for the economy" is not a great consolation for people who lost their jobs in the Rust Belt, for example.

Well obviously. Some of those Rust Belt cities are still doing pretty well though.

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That is why more freedom* should be the rule of thumb - because when you try to have everyone follow your master plan, there will always be winners and losers - and telling the losers they are the collateral damage to your Grand Design for the Bettermen of Humanity (tm) is a tad hypocritical.

I am not saying they are collateral damage, only that we are making a long term investment that will ultimately be to their benefit. Also having the majority of the population of the world in extreme poverty is dangerous.

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*At least at the level of a nation or a group of nations agreeing to follow the same rules (such as the EU). This gets much more tricky when you have different nations following different rules, when some of them just play dirty.

True.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on May 24, 2016, 12:40:09 pm
You may have noticed that the US efforts to control Canada didn't work out so well.
Well, Trudeau and Obama sure acted like old pals, so...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 26, 2016, 12:16:20 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2016, 02:27:34 pm
Lulz, cloth armor
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 27, 2016, 10:53:25 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on May 27, 2016, 10:54:57 am
What am I looking at here? Some dudes chatting with a bicycle cop in the 1970s?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 27, 2016, 10:58:19 am
Yip
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zoupa on May 27, 2016, 01:59:12 pm
Shouldn't this discussion be in the Venezuela thread?

I lol'ed  :P I take back the mean shit I said about you.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zoupa on May 27, 2016, 02:00:19 pm
Yip

How is that a facebook follies? I dun ged it
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on May 27, 2016, 02:44:07 pm
Yip

How is that a facebook follies? I dun ged it
a white cop talking to black dudes with his gun holstered.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 27, 2016, 02:58:47 pm
Yip

How is that a facebook follies? I dun ged it
a white cop talking to black dudes with his gun holstered.

Ding Ding
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on May 30, 2016, 09:51:33 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Phillip V on May 30, 2016, 11:22:37 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 01, 2016, 01:09:53 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 01, 2016, 07:37:42 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on June 02, 2016, 02:50:35 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 02, 2016, 08:00:40 am
They're right.  It's even better than Obama killing a fly during that interview early in his presidency.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 02, 2016, 11:55:53 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Habbaku on June 02, 2016, 11:58:31 am
 :lol:  I saw that one earlier today, GF.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 02, 2016, 01:16:39 pm
I talked to someone I went to school with on facebook the other day.  Guy was a smart kid.  Now he's completly bonkers.  Really hates cops, think we live in a police state.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 02, 2016, 01:26:37 pm
I talked to someone I went to school with on facebook the other day.  Guy was a smart kid.  Now he's completly bonkers.  Really hates cops, think we live in a police state.
Is he a Bernie bro?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 02, 2016, 01:49:54 pm
I talked to someone I went to school with on facebook the other day.  Guy was a smart kid.  Now he's completly bonkers.  Really hates cops, think we live in a police state.

Both sound like evidence he's still a smart fellow.  Got anything else?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 02, 2016, 02:50:22 pm
I talked to someone I went to school with on facebook the other day.  Guy was a smart kid.  Now he's completly bonkers.  Really hates cops, think we live in a police state.

Both sound like evidence he's still a smart fellow.  Got anything else?

Libertarian.  Believes that "they" are about to launch a military coup to prevent the American people from "waking up".  Big into "Men's rights".  I remember him as a drug dealer, and I think his problem with cops is not brutality, but because cops enforce laws he doesn't really care to abide by.  His libertarianism is rather confused, as it includes both positive and negative rights.  The right "not to have government in every aspect of your life", and the right to drink water without hormones in it.

The guy is a smart fellow.  One of the smartest in our school.  Unfortunately smart doesn't mean well adjusted or sane.  He can't keep a job and only gets hired for menial positions.  I think his real problem is with authority.  Some smart people get really unhappy at the idea they have to follow laws enacted by people they don't think are as smart as they are.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 02, 2016, 02:58:05 pm
The guy sounds like a typical Asparagus.  Intelligence without sound judgment is a dangerous mix.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 02, 2016, 03:13:12 pm
The guy sounds like a typical Asparagus.  Intelligence without sound judgment is a dangerous mix.

:mad:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 02, 2016, 03:15:30 pm
The guy sounds like a typical Asparagus.  Intelligence without sound judgment is a dangerous mix.

No, just a belligerent blowhard with an authority problem.  I wouldn't doubt he has a rap sheet.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 02, 2016, 06:28:00 pm
I talked to someone I went to school with on facebook the other day.  Guy was a smart kid.  Now he's completly bonkers.  Really hates cops, think we live in a police state.

Both sound like evidence he's still a smart fellow.  Got anything else?

Libertarian.  Believes that "they" are about to launch a military coup to prevent the American people from "waking up".  Big into "Men's rights". 

OK, you've got plenty.
 
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The guy is a smart fellow.  One of the smartest in our school.  Unfortunately smart doesn't mean well adjusted or sane.  He can't keep a job and only gets hired for menial positions.  I think his real problem is with authority.  Some smart people get really unhappy at the idea they have to follow laws enacted by people they don't think are as smart as they are.

Anyways, that's too bad his intellect is going to waste.  Of course they're right that a lot of the people enacting laws don't get to their law-making position by virtue of being particularly smart, or at least go out of their way to convince people they aren't very smart and don't value smartness (Seedy's recent Hoftstadter avatar comes to mind).  And that a lot of important laws aren't enacted for smart reasons, but for other reasons, like pandering, parochial sentiment, or (as with the case of drug laws) raw punitiveness.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 02, 2016, 10:16:05 pm
The whole thing started cause he posted like a dozen things of Facebook from something called https://www.facebook.com/policethepoliceACP  I have no problem with the idea of filming the police, and I know some cops have assaulted people who do so which is wrong.

We both agreed there are bad cops in the US, but I attribute this to structural problems and he to a conspiracy.  He was particularly pissed about police acquiring military equipment, which doesn't really bother me.  He saw that as preparation for some big take over, while I saw it as result of the way Federal grants work and the US government trying to offload equipment it doesn't need anymore.  He believed that we have such high prison rate is evidence of a police state, while I see it as evidence of decades of voters demanding that politicians enact "tough on crime" laws and politicians happily doing so without caring about the consequences.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 03, 2016, 05:39:56 am
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Courtesy of fhdz. Not sure what to make of Sanders supporters.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 03, 2016, 08:59:16 am
Loopy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 03, 2016, 09:38:23 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 03, 2016, 08:01:31 pm
Rednecks  :lol:

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on June 04, 2016, 07:01:20 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 01:05:44 am
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Apparently it's not a parody.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 06, 2016, 01:30:32 am
acronyms should be denoted in text, in parenthesis, after the phrase is fully written out. not hidden for the reader to find. shit activism there
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on June 06, 2016, 01:55:37 am
I thought PoC was a no no for the PC?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 06, 2016, 02:07:36 am
"even if a People of Color isn't in the room"? Mad language skilz. Or huge room.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jaron on June 06, 2016, 02:21:40 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2016, 02:24:37 am
I thought PoC was a no no for the PC?

Colored people is a definite no no, people of color is as PC as it gets.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on June 06, 2016, 03:18:53 am
I thought PoC was a no no for the PC?

Colored people is a definite no no, people of color is as PC as it gets.

What's the difference?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on June 06, 2016, 04:09:29 am
I thought PoC was a no no for the PC?

Colored people is a definite no no, people of color is as PC as it gets.

What's the difference?

Judean People's front v People's Front of Judea
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 04:25:45 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 08:21:32 am
Apparently it's not a parody.

It is basically what I heard before. There was a segment on NPR where some activist was telling white people how we can help protesting police violence against black people. It was entirely stuff we should not do, which I found convenient. Not doing stuff is certainly an easy way to help out.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 06, 2016, 08:24:11 am
I thought PoC was a no no for the PC?

Colored people is a definite no no, people of color is as PC as it gets.

What's the difference?
Couple of decades on euphemism treadmill.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 08:29:42 am
It seems a bit disturbing to think we still need a term to encompass all non-white folks when they come from hundreds of cultures around the world. But, as the last few years have so depressingly demonstrated, this cancer of racism continues to infect us pretty severely.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 08:39:08 am
I just wonder what something like "stop contributing to gentrification" means? Not moving into neighbourhood inhabited by black people? Choosing a dingy run down unsanitary old joint instead of a nicer new coffee shop with organic coffee, when given a chance? Making sure every newly painted wall is immediately sprayed with graffitti?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 08:56:43 am
I just wonder what something like "stop contributing to gentrification" means? Not moving into neighbourhood inhabited by black people? Choosing a dingy run down unsanitary old joint instead of a nicer new coffee shop with organic coffee, when given a chance? Making sure every newly painted wall is immediately sprayed with graffitti?

I don't know. Property values are going up for everybody, if we knew how to make property values super cheap so poor home owners wouldn't be forced by property taxes to move well we would already be doing that. But as a Texan I kind of see neighborhoods as transitory. So the black neighborhoods move outwards to the suburbs. Isn't that better? More space? Better quality of life? People are always bitching about the 'inner cities' right? But hey I am not the dude having to abandon my 100 year old neighborhood so what do I know?

But since I am stuck out in the suburbs with the rest of the middle class slobs I guess I am doing my bit. The only thing we gentrified was a long abandoned 19th century ranch. FIGHT TEH POWAH and so forth.

That request tends to suggest the assumption is the white audience being addressed are wealthy urban dwellers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 09:07:04 am
Yeah I get why gentrification is bad for some people - my question was more how you stop contributing to it?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 09:08:01 am
Yeah I get why gentrification is bad for some people - my question was more how you stop contributing to it?

Live in the suburbs and let the inner cities decay again I guess. But really please don't, I don't want to see our property values skyrocket even faster than they are. I will be gentrified out into a farm village somewhere.

I guess some government help might exist, like letting people below a certain income live in those areas tax free or something. But there will still be people eager to sell their property for hundreds of thousands of dollars and generally governments like increasing their tax base not reducing it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 06, 2016, 09:10:19 am
Yeah I get why gentrification is bad for some people - my question was more how you stop contributing to it?

Stop voting for champagne left parties? They are not too friendly to the local blue collars and prefer to get bobo votes or extra-european origin immigration votes, at least in France.  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2016, 09:10:21 am
Yeah I get why gentrification is bad for some people - my question was more how you stop contributing to it?

As white people? Stop leaving you current neighborhood when black people start showing up & living in the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 09:16:51 am
As white people? Stop leaving you current neighborhood when black people start showing up & living in the neighborhood.

What does that have to do with gentrification? I thought that was white people moving into black neighborhoods and driving up the price. Everybody leaving a neighborhood would seem to drive down prices.

Also I cannot stop doing that since I have never done it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Ed Anger on June 06, 2016, 09:18:43 am
Yeah I get why gentrification is bad for some people - my question was more how you stop contributing to it?

As white people? Stop leaving you current neighborhood when black people start showing up & living in the neighborhood.

They smell funny.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2016, 09:38:16 am
As white people? Stop leaving you current neighborhood when black people start showing up & living in the neighborhood.

What does that have to do with gentrification? I thought that was white people moving into black neighborhoods and driving up the price. Everybody leaving a neighborhood would seem to drive down prices.

Also I cannot stop doing that since I have never done it.

I understand it as white people moving to a poor neighborhood & pricing it out for the current residents.

It does, the original neighborhood sees it's prices go down since all the white people are leaving it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 09:54:17 am
It does, the original neighborhood sees it's prices go down since all the white people are leaving it.

Right so the opposite of gentrification.

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I understand it as white people moving to a poor neighborhood & pricing it out for the current residents.

Right so how would lowering the prices force the current residents out? Property taxes would go down, hence making it easier to keep your house.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:05:42 am
Here's a list of things that a person can personally do.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2016, 10:07:05 am
It does, the original neighborhood sees it's prices go down since all the white people are leaving it.

Right so the opposite of gentrification.

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I understand it as white people moving to a poor neighborhood & pricing it out for the current residents.

Right so how would lowering the prices force the current residents out? Property taxes would go down, hence making it easier to keep your house.

2 different neighborhood.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:08:57 am
Here's a list of things that a person can personally do.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/

everydayfeminism.com? :bleeding:

And you guys shit on me for linking breitbart.com. :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 06, 2016, 10:09:57 am
This place just makes me feel sad inside.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2016, 10:11:55 am
Gentrification rocks.  In the past decade has turned Over-the-Rhine into a fun place full of good restaurants, bars, and four (so far) breweries.  I can take my kids there during the day.  Many, many historic buildings have been saved and it's a place the city can be proud of again.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:13:56 am
Here's a list of things that a person can personally do.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/

everydayfeminism.com? :bleeding:

And you guys shit on me for linking breitbart.com. :D

It is what popped up when I did a google search. I'm not saying you should regularly read it. Though I don't really find any issue with feminism everyday.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on June 06, 2016, 10:14:05 am
Calling poor run-down neighborhoods "communities" in the context of opposing that to the cruel soullesness of "gentrified" i.e. not run-down neighbourhoods has to be  one of the most condescending/racist stereotypes around. If I were from such "communities" I would be appaled at the arrogance and condescending attitude of any sheltered idiots coming to my area's defense.  I would probably utilise them to avoid having to relocate/lose my juicy free council flat, but I would despise and hate them inside.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:14:45 am
Gentrification rocks.  In the past decade has turned Over-the-Rhine into a fun place full of good restaurants, bars, and four (so far) breweries.  I can take my kids there during the day.  Many, many historic buildings have been saved and it's a place the city can be proud of again.

Well yes, gentrification is pretty awesome if in your favor. It is great for me but I can also see how it has downsides for others.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:16:09 am
Calling poor run-down neighborhoods "communities" in the context of opposing that to the cruel soullesness of "gentrified" i.e. not run-down neighbourhoods has to be  one of the most condescending/racist stereotypes around. If I were from such "communities" I would be appaled at the arrogance and condescending attitude of any sheltered idiots coming to my area's defense.  I would probably utilise them to avoid having to relocate/lose my juicy free council flat, but I would despise and hate them inside.

But that's what they are. They are indeed communities which they often aren't post-gentrification.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 06, 2016, 10:21:54 am
I think both sides have a point there.  Tamas is right that there is a lot of implied condescension in anti-gentrification rhetoric.  Garbon is right in that gentrified communities tend to be soulless.  I live in one, and it most definitely is. 

Maybe it'll take time for community spirit to take root, but I suspect not;  people who tend to live in gentrified neighborhood tend to be very mobile in general, which may be good in some ways, but not for the purpose of building a community.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:30:27 am
Here's a list of things that a person can personally do.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/

Yeah definitely advice for the urban elite.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2016, 10:32:10 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:32:46 am
Garbon is right in that gentrified communities tend to be soulless.  I live in one, and it most definitely is. 

New developments are always soulless. It takes time to grow a soul.

Central Texas, with its rapidly expanding populations and new developments, is very soulless. But the soulless developments from the 1970s and 1980s are now positively charming in a surprising way. It will be the same here.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 06, 2016, 10:33:06 am
Calling poor run-down neighborhoods "communities" in the context of opposing that to the cruel soullesness of "gentrified" i.e. not run-down neighbourhoods has to be  one of the most condescending/racist stereotypes around. If I were from such "communities" I would be appaled at the arrogance and condescending attitude of any sheltered idiots coming to my area's defense.  I would probably utilise them to avoid having to relocate/lose my juicy free council flat, but I would despise and hate them inside.

It seems to be a term that is most appropriate where poverty is correlated to such things as race - as it tends to be in the US.

The assumption appears to be that the process involves a wholesale movements of population: "gentry" (mostly White) move in, "the poor" (mostly Black and Latino) move out, forced out by higher rents and taxes. The new population comes from all over, hasn't any roots in the community and often doesn't plan necessarily to stay there (presumably they could move to a similar place in another city to chase a superior job opportunity - like moving to London  ;) ) - hence accusations of 'soul-less-ness' and lack of community spirit.

There is less of a sense that the people who live there are simply getting more wealthy and improving the neighborhood they happen to live in.

The "fixes" proposed in Garbon's link above are, one suspects, rather Band-Aid-like - unlikely to change major demographic shifts, one would think. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:33:18 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Chain stores and same-y houses and apartment complexes.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:34:30 am
It seems to be a term that is most appropriate where poverty is correlated to such things as race - as it tends to be in the US.

That is the nice thing about being a middle class slob. We have middle class slobs of all races and ethnicities. We all share a common American quality of being obnoxious and overweight.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 06, 2016, 10:35:40 am
It seems to be a term that is most appropriate where poverty is correlated to such things as race - as it tends to be in the US.

That is the nice thing about being a middle class slob. We have middle class slobs of all races and ethnicities. We all share a common American quality of being obnoxious and overweight.

The typical American is pretty fit. "Joe Sixpack"? :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2016, 10:36:03 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Chain stores and same-y houses and apartment complexes.

Ah.  Our gentrification in OTR is kind of the opposite of that.  Every eating/drinking establishment is small and local, and if anything the "soul" of the original German community that was originally there is being preserved/restored.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:37:02 am
Here's a list of things that a person can personally do.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/

Yeah definitely advice for the urban elite.

:huh:

Clearly one has to have some means for items 5 and 6 but I don't think you need to be elite. The rest though...
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:41:08 am
The "fixes" proposed in Garbon's link above are, one suspects, rather Band-Aid-like - unlikely to change major demographic shifts, one would think. 

Which would largely be impossible if not for legislation.

Still not hard to see if you support the current local businesses rather than the new ones trying to come in, those businesses will last longer.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2016, 10:41:17 am
My favorite is #7.  Yeah, to hell with safety.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:43:35 am
Clearly one has to have some means for items 5 and 6 but I don't think you need to be elite. The rest though...

Besides the demands I not be an asshole the rest assumes I have moved into a gentrified neighborhood and not some new suburb.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:45:31 am
Calling poor run-down neighborhoods "communities" in the context of opposing that to the cruel soullesness of "gentrified" i.e. not run-down neighbourhoods has to be  one of the most condescending/racist stereotypes around. If I were from such "communities" I would be appaled at the arrogance and condescending attitude of any sheltered idiots coming to my area's defense.  I would probably utilise them to avoid having to relocate/lose my juicy free council flat, but I would despise and hate them inside.

It's just another iteration of the "noble savage" myth that various collectivists have been perpetrating at least since Rousseau.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 06, 2016, 10:46:21 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Chain stores and same-y houses and apartment complexes.

At the upper end, every house and store is filled with character - that just happens to be more or less the same as the "character" demonstrated in similar places located across the continent.  :D

My favorite example of rural gentrification was a restaurant in Oro-Mentone Township. It was called "The Settlers Ghost" and it was located right nest to a big new golf course and skiing area. It served high-end international type food - all proudly "locally sourced" and "organic". The fun part was the menu and decor, which featured a long description of how the restaurant was intended to "honor the settler families whose passing allowed the creation of this fine restaurant, chalet and golf course" (hence "Settlers Ghost"). The décor was all ye olde time-y farm stuff.

Thing is, this is still a partly rural area, lost of farmers (from settler's families) still live there, and farm. They are being pushed out by tourist facilities of course, but they aren't gone yet. However, they would be very unlikely to eat at a restaurant like this - and I wonder what they would make of being "honored" in that manner!  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:46:22 am
Gentrification rocks.  In the past decade has turned Over-the-Rhine into a fun place full of good restaurants, bars, and four (so far) breweries.  I can take my kids there during the day.  Many, many historic buildings have been saved and it's a place the city can be proud of again.

Sorry, if you like it, it means it must be bad. It's another reason for you to feel bad about yourself as a white middle class heterosexual male. Shame. Shame. Shame.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:46:27 am
Calling poor run-down neighborhoods "communities" in the context of opposing that to the cruel soullesness of "gentrified" i.e. not run-down neighbourhoods has to be  one of the most condescending/racist stereotypes around. If I were from such "communities" I would be appaled at the arrogance and condescending attitude of any sheltered idiots coming to my area's defense.  I would probably utilise them to avoid having to relocate/lose my juicy free council flat, but I would despise and hate them inside.

It's just another iteration of the "noble savage" myth that various collectivists have been perpetrating at least since Rousseau.

Please don't try to construct meta-narratives. Bit beyond your skill set, I'm afraid. :console:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:47:55 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Fewer shootings and less unsanitary food.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:49:19 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Fewer shootings and less unsanitary food.

How soon till you suggest we put them in camps?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:50:31 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Chain stores and same-y houses and apartment complexes.

At the upper end, every house and store is filled with character - that just happens to be more or less the same as the "character" demonstrated in similar places located across the continent.  :D

My favorite example of rural gentrification was a restaurant in Oro-Mentone Township. It was called "The Settlers Ghost" and it was located right nest to a big new golf course and skiing area. It served high-end international type food - all proudly "locally sourced" and "organic". The fun part was the menu and decor, which featured a long description of how the restaurant was intended to "honor the settler families whose passing allowed the creation of this fine restaurant, chalet and golf course" (hence "Settlers Ghost"). The décor was all ye olde time-y farm stuff.

Thing is, this is still a partly rural area, lost of farmers (from settler's families) still live there, and farm. They are being pushed out by tourist facilities of course, but they aren't gone yet. However, they would be very unlikely to eat at a restaurant like this - and I wonder what they would make of being "honored" in that manner!  :lol:

Well my mother comes from a poor farming community in Oklahoma and they discovered oil and the place is booming and the locals seem to think it is all pretty fantastic. Not sure farmers are the snobs you seem to think they are. They think stuff normal people think is cool is cool as well. When they got their first nice restaurant they were lining up to eat there because something like that had never existed in that community before.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:51:21 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Fewer shootings and less unsanitary food.

How soon till you suggest we put them in camps?

See, this is how SJW operate. If you want to reduce shootings and improve health safety in restaurants you are Hitler.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 06, 2016, 10:53:21 am
My favorite is #7.  Yeah, to hell with safety.

It seems to me that the single overreaching principle of the left these days is to make sure everyone is equally miserable.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 10:54:44 am
Garbon is an activist? Who knew?

Anyway while moving out to the burbs may seem like hell to people who grew up in a tight knit urban community where everything was within walking distance and everybody knew everybody else it is not really a camp. There is nothing unusual about a little nostalgia for the old times.

What Spike Lee said about social services though is spot on. New York should take a look at that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2016, 10:58:45 am
Garbon is an activist? Who knew?

Yeah, certainly news to me. I think SJW is just a tag that means 'someone Martinus dislikes.'
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 06, 2016, 11:01:33 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Fewer shootings and less unsanitary food.

How soon till you suggest we put them in camps?

See, this is how SJW operate. If you want to reduce shootings and improve health safety in restaurants you are Hitler.

And if you want to delouse people. :yes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 06, 2016, 11:04:47 am
What do you guys mean by "soulless"?

Chain stores and same-y houses and apartment complexes.

At the upper end, every house and store is filled with character - that just happens to be more or less the same as the "character" demonstrated in similar places located across the continent.  :D

My favorite example of rural gentrification was a restaurant in Oro-Mentone Township. It was called "The Settlers Ghost" and it was located right nest to a big new golf course and skiing area. It served high-end international type food - all proudly "locally sourced" and "organic". The fun part was the menu and decor, which featured a long description of how the restaurant was intended to "honor the settler families whose passing allowed the creation of this fine restaurant, chalet and golf course" (hence "Settlers Ghost"). The décor was all ye olde time-y farm stuff.

Thing is, this is still a partly rural area, lost of farmers (from settler's families) still live there, and farm. They are being pushed out by tourist facilities of course, but they aren't gone yet. However, they would be very unlikely to eat at a restaurant like this - and I wonder what they would make of being "honored" in that manner!  :lol:

Well my mother comes from a poor farming community in Oklahoma and they discovered oil and the place is booming and the locals seem to think it is all pretty fantastic. Not sure farmers are the snobs you seem to think they are. They think stuff normal people think is cool is cool as well. When they got their first nice restaurant they were lining up to eat there because something like that had never existed in that community before.

I don't think they wouldn't eat there because they are snobs. I think they wouldn't eat there because the place is expensive, and most of the surviving farms are clinging on by their fingernails, financially speaking.

In this particular township, there are really two communities: the local farmers, whose economic situation has steadily declined; and cottagers and developers, who are creating all sorts of amenities for people from Toronto and Barrie to enjoy (ski chalets, golf clubs, and now, a new concert park), whose influence is steadily growing. The two don't have much in common.

Obviously, in a sense, this is great news for the locals, who can make big bucks selling their land, much of which used to be nearly worthless. However, obviously, that means moving out of their community, leading to certain tensions.

Edit: an example of a clash between the two: "Save Oro". http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2016/05/21/save-oro-takes-concerns-to-queens-park
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 11:06:27 am
I don't think they wouldn't eat there because they are snobs. I think they wouldn't eat there because the place is expensive, and most of the surviving farms are clinging on by their fingernails, financially speaking.

In this particular township, there are really two communities: the local farmers, whose economic situation has steadily declined; and cottagers and developers, who are creating all sorts of amenities for people from Toronto and Barrie to enjoy (ski chalets, golf clubs, and now, a new concert park), whose influence is steadily growing. The two don't have much in common.

Obviously, in a sense, this is great news for the locals, who can make big bucks selling their land, much of which used to be nearly worthless. However, obviously, that means moving out of their community, leading to certain tensions.

In an era of high farming prices how have their economic situation declined? I know during the 70s and 80s the farmers had it super rough but these days they do pretty well. It seems to defy all economic logic that their economic lot has declined in the past thirty years. Of course we have our commie subsidization of farms, maybe the Canadians do not have that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2016, 11:11:25 am
Damned snobby farmers, with those nice shiny tractors they won't let me ride :angry:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 06, 2016, 11:12:25 am
I don't think they wouldn't eat there because they are snobs. I think they wouldn't eat there because the place is expensive, and most of the surviving farms are clinging on by their fingernails, financially speaking.

In this particular township, there are really two communities: the local farmers, whose economic situation has steadily declined; and cottagers and developers, who are creating all sorts of amenities for people from Toronto and Barrie to enjoy (ski chalets, golf clubs, and now, a new concert park), whose influence is steadily growing. The two don't have much in common.

Obviously, in a sense, this is great news for the locals, who can make big bucks selling their land, much of which used to be nearly worthless. However, obviously, that means moving out of their community, leading to certain tensions.

In an era of high farming prices how have their economic situation declined? I know during the 70s and 80s the farmers had it super rough but these days they do pretty well. It seems to defy all economic logic that their economic lot has declined in the past thirty years. Of course we have our commie subsidization of farms, maybe the Canadians do not have that.

Small family farms in that part of the world are uneconomic without subsidies, and subsidies have not kept pace with inflation in other areas.

The problem I think is that Oro-Medonte was never particularly good farmland. It made its living by its proximity to major population centers (particularly Toronto). With decrease in shipping costs, that's not as big an advantage as it one was: the whole buy local thing can't turn back comparative advantage wholly.

Combine this with the explosive growth of Toronto (and Barrie turning into a commuter city for Toronto) and subsidized family farms find it hard to compete with developers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 06, 2016, 11:20:12 am
Well if they are small uneconomic farms then...

I don't know if I owned a money losing unprofitable business and somebody offered a stonking amount of money to take it off my hands I probably would be thanking my lucky stars even if it had been in the family for years. Nothing lasts forever right? Why want to be condemned to poverty for the sake of some kind of nostalgic commitment?

It kind of reminds me of the English obsession with the tragedy of land enclosure and coal mine closing. As if being a peasant or a coal miner is some kind of fantastic privilege that is now tragically unavailable to us. But maybe that is my not-having-grown-up-in-a-miserable-dying-industry privilege speaking.

I mean those farmers' ancestors had moved from someplace with bad prospects for the opportunity provided by that land in Canada. Seems downright un-North American to not continue in that tradition.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2016, 12:04:20 pm
What's the difference?

Colored people is an archaic and discredited term for blacks.  People of color is a recent term that lumps all non-whites together.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 06, 2016, 12:50:16 pm
Well if they are small uneconomic farms then...

I don't know if I owned a money losing unprofitable business and somebody offered a stonking amount of money to take it off my hands I probably would be thanking my lucky stars even if it had been in the family for years. Nothing lasts forever right? Why want to be condemned to poverty for the sake of some kind of nostalgic commitment?

It kind of reminds me of the English obsession with the tragedy of land enclosure and coal mine closing. As if being a peasant or a coal miner is some kind of fantastic privilege that is now tragically unavailable to us. But maybe that is my not-having-grown-up-in-a-miserable-dying-industry privilege speaking.

I mean those farmers' ancestors had moved from someplace with bad prospects for the opportunity provided by that land in Canada. Seems downright un-North American to not continue in that tradition.

Hey, I'm not arguing really: I tend to agree that time marches on. I'm just pointing out that "gentrification" isn't confined to inner city settings.

I suppose that in the inner city, most of those forced out won't get a pay-out in the form of higher land prices, because they are more likely to be renters, but otherwise it is roughly comparable: what is lost is a 'traditional community', for whatever that is worth (and not being part of one myself, I can't say as I'd prefer staying in poverty over leaving a traditional community).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 07, 2016, 09:40:59 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 09:42:50 am
Hey, I'm not arguing really: I tend to agree that time marches on. I'm just pointing out that "gentrification" isn't confined to inner city settings.

It does make one wonder where did all these wealthy people live before "gentrification"? Or are there just far more rich people today than there used to be?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 07, 2016, 09:45:28 am
Hey, I'm not arguing really: I tend to agree that time marches on. I'm just pointing out that "gentrification" isn't confined to inner city settings.

It does make one wonder where did all these wealthy people live before "gentrification"? Or are there just far more rich people today than there used to be?

Well isn't it just people returning to the cities? Presumably when NYC was a failed city, the gentrifiers were still just chilling in the suburbs.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 07, 2016, 09:45:36 am
Hey, I'm not arguing really: I tend to agree that time marches on. I'm just pointing out that "gentrification" isn't confined to inner city settings.

It does make one wonder where did all these wealthy people live before "gentrification"? Or are there just far more rich people today than there used to be?

For the highest value real estate (such as flats in NY or London proper) I understand the fact that the rich own multiple flats they don't use is a contributing factor.

Also, I don't think it is out of whack to think there are more rich people today than there used to be in absolute numbers (if not in terms of percentage). And the amount of space one can live in is obviously finite.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 10:11:29 am
Well isn't it just people returning to the cities? Presumably when NYC was a failed city, the gentrifiers were still just chilling in the suburbs.

Maybe. Are there loads of ritzy suburban and country estates laying empty now?

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Also, I don't think it is out of whack to think there are more rich people today than there used to be in absolute numbers (if not in terms of percentage). And the amount of space one can live in is obviously finite.

Yeah it gives realestate its bizarre and quirky character as a product. Few other things are as zero-sum game as it is. A rich person owning a fancy cell phone doesn't drive up the price or make it more difficult for me to own a cell phone.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 07, 2016, 10:14:14 am
Well isn't it just people returning to the cities? Presumably when NYC was a failed city, the gentrifiers were still just chilling in the suburbs.

Maybe. Are there loads of ritzy suburban and country estates laying empty now?

Well I think gentrification can be caused by the non-wealthy. So for instance myself and my siblings (when we all lived in NYC). Well really my sisters as they chose the neighborhoods that were getting gentrified, while I chose the already full gentrified. :D None of us come from/abandoned ritzy suburban estates but it is likely had we grown up when NYC was a hellhole, we would have stayed living in the suburbs.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 07, 2016, 10:55:45 am
Well if they are small uneconomic farms then...

I don't know if I owned a money losing unprofitable business and somebody offered a stonking amount of money to take it off my hands I probably would be thanking my lucky stars even if it had been in the family for years. Nothing lasts forever right? Why want to be condemned to poverty for the sake of some kind of nostalgic commitment?

It kind of reminds me of the English obsession with the tragedy of land enclosure and coal mine closing. As if being a peasant or a coal miner is some kind of fantastic privilege that is now tragically unavailable to us. But maybe that is my not-having-grown-up-in-a-miserable-dying-industry privilege speaking.

I mean those farmers' ancestors had moved from someplace with bad prospects for the opportunity provided by that land in Canada. Seems downright un-North American to not continue in that tradition.
It's a little more complicated than that.
First off, big farms do rely on subsidies or market protection as well as the small ones.

And then, there is the fact that you grew up on the lands of your father who grew up on the lands of his father...  It's a pretty powerful feeling.  You are home.  You are independant and self sufficient: you can grow and raise a part of your food, you are not affected by what the grocery charges you.  My best friends barely buys meat from the grocery store and he can grow a lot of veggies in his garden.

If he were to sell his farm, his lands, his house, he would need to move to the city, buy a house that is worth more than he got for his own house, take a part of the capital he gained, than find a regular job at a decent pay - in his case, not so hard because he is well educated and highly intelligent, so he could retrain, but for most of these people, outside of farm work, they don't know much.  And then, he needs to buy all the meat at the grocery store, subject to the inflation that affects most people, while working at 12-15$/hour.

So basically, he would not be better off than he is right now, probably even worst.

The other alternative offered is to sell the farm to an aggregator and work for him as an employee of a faceless big corporation.  And then one day, they decide the price of the milk/pigs/cattle is too low and they shut down operations on this site and multiple others.

Small farms aren't viable, but larger farms aren't either.  The Americans and the Europeans will subsidize their big farms, as well as New Zealand and Australia. The Chinese will manipulate the market and buy farms below their real values once they are near bankruptcy.  It's harder to export dairy products and fresh meat than cars or coal or oil.

Of course there are multiple problems with the system we use in Canada.  It does not promote growth and technological advancement, and farmers are still subject to adverse market variations and unable to compensate by producting more.

However, so long as other countries subsidize their farms, there ain't much choice as doing the same, just like we do for big corporations.
I had hoped the new trans-pacific accord would change that, but it looks unlikely.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 11:02:24 am
Well yeah but all that has been true for 50 years. But things are much better now than they were 30 years ago which was why I was curious why their situation is deteriorating. That makes me think that Canada has no subsidies for their farms, these farmers are just really bad at farming, or there are some kind of specific circumstances making these particular farms specifically unsuccessful. Maybe all three. But there is no reason they cannot sell these farms, get a huge profit, and then buy a cheap farm way out in the country away from the big cities where this is unlikely to repeat.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 11:05:54 am
As white people? Stop leaving you current neighborhood when black people start showing up & living in the neighborhood.

What does that have to do with gentrification? I thought that was white people moving into black neighborhoods and driving up the price. Everybody leaving a neighborhood would seem to drive down prices.

Also I cannot stop doing that since I have never done it.

I don't think gentrification has to have a racial component - except maybe in the US where apparently everything has to be about race. As long as you have longstanding communities of poor or socially vulnerable people getting displaced on a large scale, it's gentrification. At least that's how I understand it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 11:09:29 am
I don't think gentrification has to have a racial component - except maybe in the US where apparently everything has to be about race. As long as you have longstanding communities of poor or socially vulnerable people getting displaced on a large scale, it's gentrification. At least that's how I understand it.

Sure. I was just curious how the recommended ways we combat this are going to impact it in anyway.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 11:18:35 am
Ah.  Our gentrification in OTR is kind of the opposite of that.  Every eating/drinking establishment is small and local, and if anything the "soul" of the original German community that was originally there is being preserved/restored.

Yeah, in that case - when strongly influenced by maker culture and individual expression - it's hard to take the "soulless" charge seriously. IMO, lack of soul basically means lacking any local distinctions - the neighbourhood could be anywhere, with the same chain stores, the same architecture, the same brands, the same very meagre (if any) available cultural activities, and a lack of any kind of local community character in the populace. So I reckon what you describe is not soulless in the sense it's usually meant.

Of course, there's a tendency of some people to call any and all examples of people better off than them "soulless" - and sometimes that gets applied to the kind of gentrification you're describing. It's "soulless" by definition (for the speaker) because it's gentrification, full stop. That seems kind of wrong to me though.

IMO, of course.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 11:21:15 am
I will say that I do like how most of our gentrification is taking place using the locally quarried limestone. It gives it certain 'this gentrification was done in Austin, Texas' look :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 11:29:08 am
It kind of reminds me of the English obsession with the tragedy of land enclosure and coal mine closing. As if being a peasant or a coal miner is some kind of fantastic privilege that is now tragically unavailable to us. But maybe that is my not-having-grown-up-in-a-miserable-dying-industry privilege speaking.

I think so, yeah.

The land enclosures saw large scale brutal evictions where people's houses and personal possessions were burned. There were a significant number of deaths from from starvation and freezing. Where people weren't initially moved off from the land, they were often kept around in even poorer conditions than previously as cheap labour.

A first-hand account of the clearing of Sutherland:

The consternation and confusion were extreme. Little or no time was given for the removal of persons or property; the people striving to remove the sick and the helpless before the fire should reach them; next, struggling to save the most valuable of their effects. The cries of the women and children, the roaring of the affrighted cattle, hunted at the same time by the yelling dogs of the shepherds amid the smoke and fire, altogether presented a scene that completely baffles description — it required to be seen to be believed.

A dense cloud of smoke enveloped the whole country by day, and even extended far out to sea. At night an awfully grand but terrific scene presented itself — all the houses in an extensive district in flames at once. I myself ascended a height about eleven o'clock in the evening, and counted two hundred and fifty blazing houses, many of the owners of which I personally knew, but whose present condition — whether in or out of the flames — I could not tell. The conflagration lasted six days, till the whole of the dwellings were reduced to ashes or smoking ruins. During one of these days a boat actually lost her way in the dense smoke as she approached the shore, but at night was enabled to reach a landing-place by the lurid light of the flames.


It also saw the near extinction of Gaelic as a living language in Scotland.

I don't know if any fantastic "privileges" were lost, but it certainly was an act (or series of acts) of large scale brutality.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 11:35:40 am
I don't know if any fantastic "privileges" were lost, but it certainly was an act (or series of acts) of large scale brutality.

Needless to say this is one of only many ways enclosure happened and it was a steady process over 500 years. Enclosure started before the Tudors came to power and reached its conclusions in the 19th century. I have heard all these very selectively chosen examples over the years but to claim it was some kind of horrific sudden event is very misleading. Often it was the peasants themselves that led the charge.

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I don't know if any fantastic "privileges" were lost, but it certainly was an act (or series of acts) of large scale brutality.

Well the alternative model was granting the peasants tenure over the land, like was done in France. And the result seems to have been just as traumatic with backwards farming techniques resulting in high food prices, economic stagnation, and starvation. Transitioning from a peasant economy was always going to be traumatic and peasant languages, like Gaelic, had a hard time of it everywhere.

Likewise huge subsidies to keep coal mines open might have kept those communities together for a bit longer but the end consequences would not have been pretty.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 11:51:40 am
Needless to say this is one of only many ways enclosure happened and it was a steady process over 500 years. Enclosure started before the Tudors came to power and reached its conclusions in the 19th century. I have heard all these very selectively chosen examples over the years but to claim it was some kind of horrific sudden event is very misleading. Often it was the peasants themselves that led the charge.

This is not an argument I'm familiar with, and I'm not sure what you're driving at with those. Sure there were economic changes that happened in ways that were less traumatic and outright murderous for the affected populations; that's great. Is the argument that since it happened in a non-brutal way in some cases, the brutal acts of clearances should be ignored?

Or is it just that some eggs where broken in the making of the omelette and since that happened a long time ago and far away, we can be pretty philosophical about the suffering?

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I don't know if any fantastic "privileges" were lost, but it certainly was an act (or series of acts) of large scale brutality.

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Well the alternative model was granting the peasants tenure over the land, like was done in France. And the result seems to have been just as traumatic with backwards farming techniques resulting in high food prices, economic stagnation, and starvation. Transitioning from a peasant economy was always going to be traumatic and peasant languages, like Gaelic, had a hard time of it everywhere.

Likewise huge subsidies to keep coal mines open might have kept those communities together for a bit longer but the end consequences would not have been pretty.

It sounds to me like you're saying that since it happened, it was unavoidable; and since it was unavoidable, we can dismiss the suffering of those affected as a trivial detail? Or are you driving at something else?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 11:56:22 am
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his is not an argument I'm familiar with, and I'm not sure what you're driving at with those. Sure there were economic changes that happened in ways that were less traumatic and outright murderous for the affected populations; that's great. Is the argument that since it happened in a non-brutal way in some cases, the brutal acts of clearances should be ignored?

No I am saying the brutality is always characterized as typical of enclosure. It was the exception and not the rule. Putting it in its context and being balanced instead of demonizing a process that actually benefited most people would be refreshing in how this story is normally told. I am actually arguing the fact that in the majority of cases it was not done in a brutal way should not be ignored. 

It sounds to me like you're saying that since it happened, it was unavoidable; and since it was unavoidable, we can dismiss the suffering of those affected as a trivial detail? Or are you driving at something else?

I am simply saying the entire story should be told and it should be told in its proper context instead of characterizing it as some sort of horrible crime perpetrated by evil forces, I suspect the situation with gentrification is rather similar. I mean are there egregious cases? Sure. But that is not the entire story, it is just part of the story.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 12:28:26 pm
An interesting perspective, and not one I've encountered before. Is this a Valmy original approach, or one based on other scholarship?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 07, 2016, 12:36:23 pm
An interesting perspective, and not one I've encountered before. Is this a Valmy original approach, or one based on other scholarship?

Well I never was very happy with the way this story was presented to me in College, it seemed a bit too mustache twirly for something happening all over the country. Still there was slavery so certainly people can just be that shitty :P

But it is based on recent scholarship. But damned if I can find my sources I am always terrible at that. I read something or hear something and remember the information but not where I heard it from. I am a junkie for anything English history these days for some reason. Books about sheep herding are endlessly fascinating.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 07, 2016, 12:57:59 pm
Hey, I'm not arguing really: I tend to agree that time marches on. I'm just pointing out that "gentrification" isn't confined to inner city settings.

It does make one wonder where did all these wealthy people live before "gentrification"? Or are there just far more rich people today than there used to be?

Well, in this particular case it is easy: the "gentry" come from the big, bad city (specifically, Toronto). There are indeed lots more of them than there used to be, as Toronto has grown enormously. They are streaming into the countryside looking for cottages and other recreational facilities.

Naturally, lots of locals are all in favor of this, as it pumps cash into the economy. However, the downside is that it tends to break up the communities that have existed there for some time. These create the dilemmas typical of "gentrification" - obviously it ain't all bad, but it does tend to displace people.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 07, 2016, 01:34:23 pm
But things are much better now than they were 30 years ago which was why I was curious why their situation is deteriorating.
One thing is this new milk protein imported from the US, that does not count toward milk imports, so it drives the price of the milk down (it went down 15% last year, climbed back by 5%, it's still a tad under 10% lower than 2-3 years ago).
Add to that the inhability of most farmers to quickly react to such a "sudden" change in price structure and you get a crisis.

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That makes me think that Canada has no subsidies for their farms, these farmers are just really bad at farming, or there are some kind of specific circumstances making these particular farms specifically unsuccessful. Maybe all three.
Some are pretty bad, yeah.  As strange as it sounds for people like us, you do have a significant proportion (far from a majority, but still) of farmers with barely and education.   One guy I know was basically forced to quit high school in 8th grade.  He was nearing his 20s.  He got enrolled into some specific agricultor training program for those with lots of difficulties.  They just focus on basic manual task and forget about usual professional high school requirements like very basic English, French and math.  Then they give them a diploma.   I know 2 guys exactly in this situation in the area.  Functional analphabet is even a stretch to describe them.  And then they get girlfriends even worst than them.  duh.
Sorry for the rant.

Also, there are no direct subsidies for farming.  For mik, eggs and poultry, there is a system of quotas and a minimum price for milk in grocery stores.  A dairy farmer is forced to buy a quota, in liters of milk, for what he wants to sell during a given year.  There are no more penalties for over producing, but you don't get paid.  In the past, you would often see farmers throwing their surplus production away (they opened the boil tank valve and let it flow to the nearest trenches).  The quotas garantees a certain stability for the milk (and other products) as prices are pre-determined for a longer time frame rather than fluctuating every week.

They receive subsidies for cereal production, in the form of an insurance for which they pay 25% of the cost.  It's called stabilization insurance.  If the crops are very bad in an area to due horrid weather or if the prices were to get too low, they'd get compensation.

They also have access to financing at premium rates, below usual market costs for such projects since the government will guarantee their loans to the banks.  They also receive subsidies that cover a part of the municipal taxes since they don't receive these services for their lands (police, fire, garbage, sewer, etc).  But to get all that, you need to be part of the biggest farmer's union in Quebec (the others don't count), and to do that you need to achieve a certain level of production.

There are problems with this system of course, lots of problems for everyone and I'm not sure I should go more in details in this thread...

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But there is no reason they cannot sell these farms, get a huge profit, and then buy a cheap farm way out in the country away from the big cities where this is unlikely to repeat.
The problem arise when the city develops around them.  See, one farm I know of, a former client.  They are (were) located in Beauport (Quebec city).  Right in front of the psychiatric hospital Robert Giffard.
It was among the oldest farmland in Quebec, probably the oldest one.  When it was built, it was away from Quebec city.  When we went to work there, it was surrounded by restaurants and other commerce.  Ok, 400 years had passed, but you see the same happening faster&faster everywhere.

Eventually, the tax bill rose to incredible level, and after spending a lot of money to conform themselves to environmental laws since they are now near a residential area.  And then, they are forced to once conclusion: they cannot afford to pay 100k$ in municipal taxes every year and expect to survive.  So they close it down.  They sell the land to promoters that will build condo.  And they pay their debts.  And they have just enough to buy another house and another farm.  At 59 years old.  If they want to keep doing what they do, they need to buy the farm plus a new quota.  That means moving away from everything and everyone you know, starting anew and going into debt for a diminishing income. 

At this point, most will opt out of the business alltogether and try to live off their economies for the time remaining.  Especially if the physical shape is not what it's used to be.  Lots of farmers have joint&muscle problems later in their life from doing such a hard work.

If they're younger... Well, then the problem is finding another farm in another part of the province that has just the right conditions: sufficiently away from the city for at least 2-3 generations and an older owner ready to sell at a right price.  Because these farms are prime targets for financial funds, some Quebec based, some foreign, some from Banks with unclear intentions.  It's a sellers market, really.  But their biggest asset is the quota, which means you freeze your own financial assets for something unproductive when you want to buy another farm.

And of course, you have to find the farm.  As I said earlier, the quota system led to a gap in the use of technology, not just for the farm itself, but the entire industry, and that is compounded by Quebec's general hostility toward new technologies (and the language barrier does not help at all).  A prospective buyer from Quebec city may not be aware of a farm selling north of Saguenay.  Or he may have no interest in unproductive lands as the best ones become residential areas.

So, lots of problem.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Jacob on June 07, 2016, 01:39:55 pm
Well I never was very happy with the way this story was presented to me in College, it seemed a bit too mustache twirly for something happening all over the country. Still there was slavery so certainly people can just be that shitty :P

But it is based on recent scholarship. But damned if I can find my sources I am always terrible at that. I read something or hear something and remember the information but not where I heard it from. I am a junkie for anything English history these days for some reason. Books about sheep herding are endlessly fascinating.

Fair enough. I'll keep an eye out for anything on the subject :)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 07, 2016, 01:59:34 pm

It's just another iteration of the "noble savage" myth that various collectivists have been perpetrating at least since Rousseau.

While you are certainly a backward, potato-worshiping savage, there is nothing noble about you.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 07, 2016, 02:07:01 pm
Well yeah but all that has been true for 50 years. But things are much better now than they were 30 years ago which was why I was curious why their situation is deteriorating. That makes me think that Canada has no subsidies for their farms, these farmers are just really bad at farming, or there are some kind of specific circumstances making these particular farms specifically unsuccessful. Maybe all three.

In the case of Oro-Medonte, the farms were never the most productive, because the farmland there tends to be marginal. Basically, it is too sandy. The property my father bought used to be farmland, but it was ruined during the depression, and it is easy to see why it reverted to forest - it's very sandy.

What made the farms viable was the fact they were close to a major market. With new technology for transportation, that ceased to be as big an advantage as formerly.

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But there is no reason they cannot sell these farms, get a huge profit, and then buy a cheap farm way out in the country away from the big cities where this is unlikely to repeat.

I suppose they can do that. But then, they'd be moving into a different community. It may (or may not) be just as good as the community they had left, but it will not have the same associations of tradition, friendships and inter-marriage as the one they left. They would now be comparative strangers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 07, 2016, 03:26:57 pm
 :lol: Oh, shit

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 07, 2016, 03:29:51 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on June 08, 2016, 03:49:14 am
Are you seriously still on about that gorilla over there?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 08, 2016, 04:05:43 am
:lol: Oh, shit

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 :XD:

Ok, this is offensive/racist and funny at the same time.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 08, 2016, 04:07:33 am
Are you seriously still on about that gorilla over there?  :hmm:

In case you did not get the joke, the man pictured is George (?) Zimmerman, who shot Trevon Martin.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Liep on June 08, 2016, 04:14:02 am
Are you seriously still on about that gorilla over there?  :hmm:

In case you did not get the joke, the man pictured is George (?) Zimmerman, who shot Trevon Martin.

Oh.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 09, 2016, 07:08:07 am
Logo of a Polish pharmacy for families :D

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 09, 2016, 07:56:16 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:02:51 am
They should have just said 'a myth' and then stopped there.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 09, 2016, 08:05:16 am
They should have just said 'a myth' and then stopped there.

Are you saying that there are no proper rules of English grammar, syntax etc.?  :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 08:06:39 am
Me no think so Marty. Thats unpossible.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:14:21 am
They should have just said 'a myth' and then stopped there.

Are you saying that there are no proper rules of English grammar, syntax etc.?  :huh:

Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 08:19:34 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.

Ok. Explain how something changes according to setting and context means it is mythological? I mean every element of human culture has that quality. Seems like a rather mundane point.

To me this is another claim that any social expectations or standards at all are a horrible oppressive burden on everybody.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Brazen on June 09, 2016, 08:23:34 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.
Outside normal working hours, you mean? :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:26:25 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.
Outside normal working hours, you mean? :P

Oops. Haha
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:27:22 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.

Ok. Explain how something changes according to setting and context means it is mythological? I mean every element of human culture has that quality. Seems like a rather mundane point.

To me this is another claim that any social expectations or standards at all are a horrible oppressive burden on everybody.

Well, let's look at Canadian English, British English and American English. Across the 3 you have a mix of spellings and grammar rules. Which one is 'proper'?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 09, 2016, 08:27:31 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.
Outside normal working hours, you mean? :P

Perfect illustration of the point that languages actually do have rules.  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:30:41 am
Oh there are some core elements sure; all languages have them. However, languages actually change overtime and what is appropriate or 'proper' varies by setting/context.
Outside normal working hours, you mean? :P

Perfect illustration of the point that languages actually do have rules.  :lol:

But then no one was advancing that languages have no rules, no? ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 08:41:16 am
http://www.wsj.com/articles/there-is-no-proper-english-1426258286

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There Is No ‘Proper English’

It’s a perpetual lament: The purity of the English language is under assault. These days we are told that our ever-texting teenagers can’t express themselves in grammatical sentences. The media delight in publicizing ostensibly incorrect usage. A few weeks ago, pundits and columnists lauded a Wikipedia editor in San Jose, Calif., who had rooted out and changed no fewer than 47,000 instances where contributors to the online encyclopedia had written “comprised of” rather than “composed of.” Does anyone doubt that our mother tongue is in deep decline?

Well, for one, I do. It is well past time to consign grammar pedantry to the history books.

As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

The grammatical rules invoked by pedants aren’t real rules of grammar at all. They are, at best, just stylistic conventions: An example would be the use of a double negative (I can’t get no satisfaction). It makes complete grammatical sense, as an intensifier. It’s just a convention that we don’t use double negatives of that form in Standard English.

Some other pedantic stipulations are destructive pieces of folklore, like the belief that it is wrong to split an infinitive or to end a sentence with a preposition. We should be entirely relaxed about that sort of choice. Why worry, as some pedants do, about whether to write “firstly” or “first” when you begin a list of points? Either is correct.

The range of legitimate variation is wider than you would imagine. Yes, you may use “hopefully” as an adverb modifying an entire sentence; and you may use “they” as a singular generic pronoun; and you may say “between you and I.” The pedants’ prohibitions on constructions like these are not supported by the evidence of general usage.

Pedantry is poor manners, certainly, but also poor scholarship. If someone tells you that you “can’t” write something, ask them why not. Rarely will they have an answer that makes grammatical sense; it is probably just a superstition that they have carried around with them for years.

It is possible, of course, for us to make errors of grammar, spelling or punctuation. But it is not possible for everyone, or the majority of educated users of the language, to be wrong on the same point at the same time. If it is in general use, then that is what the language is.

Language sticklers typically depict themselves as defenders of tradition against the insidious forces of cultural relativism. This is nonsense. In fact, the pedantic urge is a modern invention of rather dubious lineage. Prescriptive style guides like Strunk & White’s “Elements of Style” are the direct descendants of 18th-century grammarians who first defined what it was to speak “proper English.” In fact, these grammarians really just meant the dialect that grew up in and around London; their manuals were intended to teach propriety to an emerging merchant class.

Such self-help books were phenomenally popular in the 18th and 19th centuries, and instruction in correct speaking was a subset of these. Hence, for example, as a boy George Washington was required by his tutor to copy out “110 Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation.” These largely concerned deference to his social superiors. That is how the prescriptive urge in language started too. Robert Baker, one of the original 18th-century usage gurus, criticized “low people,” especially servants and actors, for their standards of English.

The whole debate about English usage has been bedeviled ever since by this snobbery, whereas the real task of language instruction (for adults as for children) should be to help people learn how to address different types of audience at different sorts of occasions. A speech delivered at a public event marking a great tragedy, for instance, demands a highly formal register; commentary on the Super Bowl needs a conversational tone. If you mix them up, you have failed not just in standards of language but in proper behavior as well.

Though the U.S. has long been regarded as a more mobile and less class-stratified society than the U.K., the same linguistic controversies rage in both countries. The founding father of a distinctive American dialect was Noah Webster, whose American Dictionary of the English Language was published in 1828. He was notably more enlightened in his views than his counterparts in England, Robert Lowth and Lindley Murray; Webster focused on how Americans used the language rather than on the superstition that English must follow the syntax of Latin.

But the urge to scold rather than to listen has run through American discussions of usage ever since. There was huge controversy when the third edition of Webster’s dictionary was published in 1961 and announced that it was less interested in “correctness” than in how actual Americans spoke and wrote. It caused outrage. The literary critic Dwight Macdonald complained that the lexicographers had “untuned the string, made a sop of the solid structure of English.”

The critics had misjudged what a dictionary is for. Lexicographers don’t have the option of recording only the usages they approve of. They have to describe the language as it is, knowing that there is no one in charge of it. Indeed, there is no single body of definitions that can be identified definitively as English. There are different dialects of English, all of which conform to grammatical structures. Usage is not just usage: It is what the language is.

Once we dispense with the idea that Standard English is “correct,” there are social and linguistic gains. Teaching the conventions of the language is vital but has long been bound up with two deeply mistaken beliefs: first that non-Standard dialects are “improper” English; and second, that literacy depends on bogus rules like the supposed ban on split infinitives (“to boldly go”).

People should not be stigmatized for the way they speak, and they certainly should not have stupid, made-up linguistic superstitions drilled into their heads.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 09, 2016, 09:34:51 am
To passively describe how language is used and only passively describe how language is used without making any judgments is just as foolish as to be overly pedantic about applying "proper" rules that have become outdated by use.

For some reason, people like the author of the above article insist on all-or-nothing absolutes: that you have to be either a backward looking pedant or accept that there is absolutely no such thing as teaching proper English. There is an expression for this: "to throw the baby out with the bathwater". 

The notion that we should just allow kids to speak any way they like without making any effort to teach them, because they are "natural linguists", is strongly implied in that article:

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As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

Good luck with that.

Clear communication is a skill like any other: it is acquired, can be taught, and is better with practice and criticism. The notion that every human is simply a natural "grammatical genius" and so does not require any instruction because "Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language" is, quite simply, absurd.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 09, 2016, 09:41:40 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 09:49:30 am
Well, let's look at Canadian English, British English and American English. Across the 3 you have a mix of spellings and grammar rules. Which one is 'proper'?

Depends on the setting/context doesn't it? But surely within each setting/context there is something appropriate and proper.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 09, 2016, 10:26:22 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

That sounds kind of racist. I think.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 10:54:55 am
To passively describe how language is used and only passively describe how language is used without making any judgments is just as foolish as to be overly pedantic about applying "proper" rules that have become outdated by use.

For some reason, people like the author of the above article insist on all-or-nothing absolutes: that you have to be either a backward looking pedant or accept that there is absolutely no such thing as teaching proper English. There is an expression for this: "to throw the baby out with the bathwater". 

The notion that we should just allow kids to speak any way they like without making any effort to teach them, because they are "natural linguists", is strongly implied in that article:

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As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

Good luck with that.

Clear communication is a skill like any other: it is acquired, can be taught, and is better with practice and criticism. The notion that every human is simply a natural "grammatical genius" and so does not require any instruction because "Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language" is, quite simply, absurd.


Yes because the author didn't note that it is possible to make mistakes nor did he note that learning the conventions of one's language is vital.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 10:56:05 am
Well, let's look at Canadian English, British English and American English. Across the 3 you have a mix of spellings and grammar rules. Which one is 'proper'?

Depends on the setting/context doesn't it? But surely within each setting/context there is something appropriate and proper.

I don't know. Is my language suddenly improper because I'm an American and generally stick to American grammar unless facing down potentially embarrassing things like pants vs. trousers?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 10:58:25 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:00:00 am
I don't know. Is my language suddenly improper because I'm an American and generally stick to American grammar unless facing down potentially embarrassing things like pants vs. trousers?

Depends on the extent it makes communication difficult. I am sure British people have to tone it down a bit when they come over here as well.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:03:10 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?

It is a kind of communication though. I don't think having formal  vs. informal language forms is some kind of atrocity. You are communicating something when you use either. If you use only very formal words and grammar structures you are communicating a certain formality and gravitas and so forth rather than the more intimate and familiar informal forms. There are times when it is proper and appropriate to use one of the other, just like you said :P

But this extends to all kinds of things, like how you dress. Wearing one of those Tuxedo T-Shirts to a formal occasion is communicating something.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 11:04:01 am
I don't know. Is my language suddenly improper because I'm an American and generally stick to American grammar unless facing down potentially embarrassing things like pants vs. trousers?

Depends on the extent it makes communication difficult. I am sure British people have to tone it down a bit when they come over here as well.

Well I very much doubt that if a monolithic 'proper' English were to be found (I guess the standard version of each of those countries' English could be considered a monolithic block for each) that they point of said English would be to ease communication through standardization. If that were the case, you probably wouldn't want to have as many 'big words' as that's a hindrance to communication among the general populace. Certainly much more so than taking issues with someone saying 'can't' vs. 'cannot'.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 11:06:48 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?

It is a kind of communication though. I don't think having formal  vs. informal language forms is some kind of atrocity. You are communicating something when you use either. If you use only very formal words and grammar structures you are communicating a certain formality and gravitas and so forth rather than the more intimate and familiar informal forms. There are times when it is proper and appropriate to use one of the other, just like you said :P

But this extends to all kinds of things, like how you dress. Wearing one of those Tuxedo T-Shirts to a formal occasion is communicating something.

Yes, I've said from the start that there are certain settings where a sort tone/type of speech is preferred and deemed more appropriate. That doesn't mean that I'm agreeing with the notion of 'Proper English' as what's deemed proper is determined by setting/context/culture.  Of course, that's all the sort of thing that can be seen as oppressive vis-a-vis speaking white and speaking black.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:18:13 am
Yes, I've said from the start that there are certain settings where a sort tone/type of speech is preferred and deemed more appropriate. That doesn't mean that I'm agreeing with the notion of 'Proper English' as what's deemed proper is determined by setting/context/culture.  Of course, that's all the sort of thing that can be seen as oppressive vis-a-vis speaking white and speaking black.

Well of course any social expectation can be seen as oppressive or even racist depending on the cultural context. I mean you are expected to conform to something you might not like. But I don't see how society works without them.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 11:24:28 am
Yes, I've said from the start that there are certain settings where a sort tone/type of speech is preferred and deemed more appropriate. That doesn't mean that I'm agreeing with the notion of 'Proper English' as what's deemed proper is determined by setting/context/culture.  Of course, that's all the sort of thing that can be seen as oppressive vis-a-vis speaking white and speaking black.

Well of course any social expectation can be seen as oppressive or even racist depending on the cultural context. I mean you are expected to conform to something you might not like. But I don't see how society works without them.

That's nice. I'm glad actual discrimination can be hand waved away with 'anything really can be'.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 09, 2016, 11:25:46 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?
Is misspelling one word per sentence critical?  Probably not, but it's something you want to try to avoid anyway.  Once you abandon the idea that there is a proper standard to adhere to, communication can get progressively noisier and require more and more energy to process.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:27:51 am
That's nice. I'm glad actual discrimination can be hand waved away with 'anything really can be'.

If your definition is merely the existence of culture and society is actual discrimination than you define everybody everywhere for all time was discriminatory and will be for all time. I don't think that is necessarily the case, but it is just not possible to create a culture that satisfies everybody.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 11:36:53 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?
Is misspelling one word per sentence critical?  Probably not, but it's something you want to try to avoid anyway.  Once you abandon the idea that there is a proper standard to adhere to, communication can get progressively noisier and require more and more energy to process.

Such a slippery slope. :weep:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 11:38:14 am
That's nice. I'm glad actual discrimination can be hand waved away with 'anything really can be'.

If your definition is merely the existence of culture and society is actual discrimination than you define everybody everywhere for all time was discriminatory and will be for all time. I don't think that is necessarily the case, but it is just not possible to create a culture that satisfies everybody.

We might be able to have more productive discussions if you weren't out to demolish arguments that I didn't make.

Just so we are clear, I don't agree with the sentiment of the graphic that Marti posted. That's why I suggested a correction. ;)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 09, 2016, 11:54:08 am
Seems like someone is forgetting that the point of communication is to communicate.  And that is facilitated by everyone following the same rules.  There are obviously hundreds of ways people can communicate, we call these ways languages, but it is always preferable for two people attempting to exchange ideas and understanding to communicate by same means.

Is it though? Does not ending a sentence on 'of' or using the word 'ain't' suddenly make it hard 'to exchange ideas and understanding'?
Is misspelling one word per sentence critical?  Probably not, but it's something you want to try to avoid anyway.  Once you abandon the idea that there is a proper standard to adhere to, communication can get progressively noisier and require more and more energy to process.

Such a slippery slope. :weep:

Racial slurs are never proper.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:57:26 am
We might be able to have more productive discussions if you weren't out to demolish arguments that I didn't make.

Just so we are clear, I don't agree with the sentiment of the graphic that Marti posted. That's why I suggested a correction. ;)

True I am primarily arguing against the sentiment of the graphic not against you. My apologies.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 12:12:16 pm
We might be able to have more productive discussions if you weren't out to demolish arguments that I didn't make.

Just so we are clear, I don't agree with the sentiment of the graphic that Marti posted. That's why I suggested a correction. ;)

True I am primarily arguing against the sentiment of the graphic not against you. My apologies.

:hug:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 09, 2016, 12:21:10 pm
To passively describe how language is used and only passively describe how language is used without making any judgments is just as foolish as to be overly pedantic about applying "proper" rules that have become outdated by use.

For some reason, people like the author of the above article insist on all-or-nothing absolutes: that you have to be either a backward looking pedant or accept that there is absolutely no such thing as teaching proper English. There is an expression for this: "to throw the baby out with the bathwater". 

The notion that we should just allow kids to speak any way they like without making any effort to teach them, because they are "natural linguists", is strongly implied in that article:

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As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

Good luck with that.

Clear communication is a skill like any other: it is acquired, can be taught, and is better with practice and criticism. The notion that every human is simply a natural "grammatical genius" and so does not require any instruction because "Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language" is, quite simply, absurd.


Yes because the author didn't note that it is possible to make mistakes nor did he note that learning the conventions of one's language is vital.

The author made some worthy points. Too bad he also made some damn silly ones to go along with them.  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 09, 2016, 12:24:36 pm
To passively describe how language is used and only passively describe how language is used without making any judgments is just as foolish as to be overly pedantic about applying "proper" rules that have become outdated by use.

For some reason, people like the author of the above article insist on all-or-nothing absolutes: that you have to be either a backward looking pedant or accept that there is absolutely no such thing as teaching proper English. There is an expression for this: "to throw the baby out with the bathwater". 

The notion that we should just allow kids to speak any way they like without making any effort to teach them, because they are "natural linguists", is strongly implied in that article:

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As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

Good luck with that.

Clear communication is a skill like any other: it is acquired, can be taught, and is better with practice and criticism. The notion that every human is simply a natural "grammatical genius" and so does not require any instruction because "Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language" is, quite simply, absurd.


Yes because the author didn't note that it is possible to make mistakes nor did he note that learning the conventions of one's language is vital.

The author made some worthy points. Too bad he also made some damn silly ones to go along with them.  :lol:

Nobody is perfect. :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2016, 05:00:52 pm
I'd argue that there is such a thing as "formal language," which is expected to conform to some standards (not the same ones everywhere and changing over time) and "informal language" which, inevitably, is less transferable between groups and more widely variable.  While I reject the idea that there is "proper English" and "improper English," I do think that a vital language skill is the one that tells you when to use formal English and when to use informal  English.

It took one of our Spanish exchange students, for example, some time to adjust to the fact that "fuck" was not, in American formal English, an okay word to use.  In his English classes in Spain, it was a mild expletive and he was not chastised for using it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 10, 2016, 12:23:54 am
garbon is a perfect example how bonkers the "progressive" left can be. Fortunately, that phenomenon is slowly being put to rest, with more and more people being turned away by its idiocy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 01:49:21 am
garbon is a perfect example how bonkers the "progressive" left can be. Fortunately, that phenomenon is slowly being put to rest, with more and more people being turned away by its idiocy.

You are going to put me up as the poster boy for a group that I'm not a part of? Interesting.

Well it would be if you weren't such a consistent dumbass.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 10, 2016, 01:57:15 am
I thought it was the "regressive" left?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 10, 2016, 03:52:04 am
The term regressive left is ironic/sarcastic, progressive left is what they call themselves, here "progressive" was put in scare quotes to denote the name is a misnomer. :contract:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on June 10, 2016, 04:17:47 am
I thought it was the "regressive" left?

:rolleyes:

Please keep up with Milo's Instagram account, it is impossible to have a conversation with you if you are hours behind the latest definitions.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 04:28:53 am
The term regressive left is ironic/sarcastic, progressive left is what they call themselves, here "progressive" was put in scare quotes to denote the name is a misnomer. :contract:

Perhaps you should focus a little more on trying to communicate clearly. :goodboy:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Maladict on June 10, 2016, 07:49:24 am

Please keep up with Milo's Instagram account.

I caved and looked up his wiki page. What a self indulgent waste of atoms. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on June 10, 2016, 07:58:04 am
I'd argue that there is such a thing as "formal language," which is expected to conform to some standards (not the same ones everywhere and changing over time) and "informal language" which, inevitably, is less transferable between groups and more widely variable.  While I reject the idea that there is "proper English" and "improper English," I do think that a vital language skill is the one that tells you when to use formal English and when to use informal  English.

Exactly.

There is code shifting for various groups, and knowing when to use them is vital.  The models of linguistics clearly show that a successful person in one code-group may do poorly in another, simply because the models of speech are different.  This is basic stuff in linguistics, hardly controversial.

The problem comes when those who don't understand language and linguistics attempt to classify the various ranges of language by "proper" and such.

Language is living, mutable, and based on society - of course there are ranges according to situation.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 10, 2016, 08:56:30 am
I'd argue that there is such a thing as "formal language," which is expected to conform to some standards (not the same ones everywhere and changing over time) and "informal language" which, inevitably, is less transferable between groups and more widely variable.  While I reject the idea that there is "proper English" and "improper English," I do think that a vital language skill is the one that tells you when to use formal English and when to use informal  English.

Exactly.

There is code shifting for various groups, and knowing when to use them is vital.  The models of linguistics clearly show that a successful person in one code-group may do poorly in another, simply because the models of speech are different.  This is basic stuff in linguistics, hardly controversial.

The problem comes when those who don't understand language and linguistics attempt to classify the various ranges of language by "proper" and such.

Language is living, mutable, and based on society - of course there are ranges according to situation.

I don't think anyone seriously disputes that different modes of speech are suitable for different occasions. What you guys call "formal English" is what others would term "proper English". There is no expectation that it will be used under all circumstances (in fact, it would be a source of considerable mockery if it was so used  :D ). However, it is important that someone know *how* to use it, and lack of that ability spells doom to attempts to communicate convincingly in formal settings.

The problem in the article cited by Garbon is similar to what happens when people take any concept from linguistics or anthropology too far and too literally. Abandoning any attempt to "prescriptively" teach the rules of "proper English" or "formal English" would do students a significant disservice, and would be a bad idea if it could be universally imposed - because the use of various "informal" speech patterns alone, without access to a universally understood (if variable over time and place) "proper English", would make mutual intelligibility between in-groups more difficult. It therefore makes perfect sense to privilege one set of rules for the purposes of education, call them "proper English" or "formal English" if you like.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 09:54:42 am
The problem in the article cited by Garbon is similar to what happens when people take any concept from linguistics or anthropology too far and too literally. Abandoning any attempt to "prescriptively" teach the rules of "proper English" or "formal English" would do students a significant disservice, and would be a bad idea if it could be universally imposed - because the use of various "informal" speech patterns alone, without access to a universally understood (if variable over time and place) "proper English", would make mutual intelligibility between in-groups more difficult. It therefore makes perfect sense to privilege one set of rules for the purposes of education, call them "proper English" or "formal English" if you like.

But that isn't what the article said. :huh:

As noted, he specifically wrote that you need to know what you should use in different situations.

edit: I also think it is perfectly legitimate to question whether or not what is expected in different situations, should be that way.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 09:59:09 am
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2016, 10:01:32 am
El Arroyo wishing we could be an anarchist commune.

Shitty Tex-Mex though. Avoid.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 10, 2016, 10:10:17 am
The problem in the article cited by Garbon is similar to what happens when people take any concept from linguistics or anthropology too far and too literally. Abandoning any attempt to "prescriptively" teach the rules of "proper English" or "formal English" would do students a significant disservice, and would be a bad idea if it could be universally imposed - because the use of various "informal" speech patterns alone, without access to a universally understood (if variable over time and place) "proper English", would make mutual intelligibility between in-groups more difficult. It therefore makes perfect sense to privilege one set of rules for the purposes of education, call them "proper English" or "formal English" if you like.

But that isn't what the article said. :huh:

As noted, he specifically wrote that you need to know what you should use in different situations.

edit: I also think it is perfectly legitimate to question whether or not what is expected in different situations, should be that way.

Your article is a poster child for taking a good idea and going too far with it. I agree with much of what it says: but it goes too far, and concludes that there is no use for "proper English". This statement is a bit of a tautology:

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But it is not possible for everyone, or the majority of educated users of the language, to be wrong on the same point at the same time.

What, exactly, makes someone an "educated user of the language" other than knowledge of the conventions of "proper English"? Indeed, the author is doing exactly what he accuses his target of doing: privileging one group of language users ("educated users of the language") over all others. Nor is he wrong to do so - he's quite right to do so. Only, that's exactly what differentiates "proper English" from the other forms!  :lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 10:13:06 am
The problem in the article cited by Garbon is similar to what happens when people take any concept from linguistics or anthropology too far and too literally. Abandoning any attempt to "prescriptively" teach the rules of "proper English" or "formal English" would do students a significant disservice, and would be a bad idea if it could be universally imposed - because the use of various "informal" speech patterns alone, without access to a universally understood (if variable over time and place) "proper English", would make mutual intelligibility between in-groups more difficult. It therefore makes perfect sense to privilege one set of rules for the purposes of education, call them "proper English" or "formal English" if you like.

But that isn't what the article said. :huh:

As noted, he specifically wrote that you need to know what you should use in different situations.

edit: I also think it is perfectly legitimate to question whether or not what is expected in different situations, should be that way.

Your article is a poster child for taking a good idea and going too far with it. I agree with much of what it says: but it goes too far, and concludes that there is no use for "proper English". This statement is a bit of a tautology:

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But it is not possible for everyone, or the majority of educated users of the language, to be wrong on the same point at the same time.

What, exactly, makes someone an "educated user of the language" other than knowledge of the conventions of "proper English"? Indeed, the author is doing exactly what he accuses his target of doing: privileging one group of language users ("educated users of the language") over all others. Nor is he wrong to do so - he's quite right to do so. Only, that's exactly what differentiates "proper English" from the other forms!  :lol:

I'm just calling out that you shouldn't take his rhetorical excess and extend that to mean his thesis is something counter to what he's actually written. He's rather in line with things that you, Grumbler, PDH and myself have said but then with a fair dosing of Psellus dairy pants excitement.  Still I thought it was a decent enough article to post even if fundamentally tarnished by said exuberance.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on June 10, 2016, 01:27:42 pm
The point being that there is a standard defined English, and there are vernaculars, regional and social.  There are also dialects, and there are even admixtures of two languages.  All of them that have internally consistent rules, usage, and understanding are parts of the English Language.

What makes the standard the standard?  It is not always correct.  Speak that Upper Midwest Broadcaster English deep in the Barrio, and you might well find that this is rather improper for the moment, just as the Barrio-Speak at the Waldorf is not proper.

For the linguist, not the socio-linguist, the fact that both have their own rules, grammars, and syntax that are followed makes both vernaculars - but neither can be classified as less of a language (or technically part of a language) than the other.  The socio-linguist would take this farther and say that in practice it is all about the situation - proper and improper are therefore very much situationally based.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2016, 01:32:29 pm
I think today will be "Talk Like an Old-Time Newspaper Sports Reporter" Day.

"...the greatest individual display of thread writing this reporter's ever seen!" *tap, tap, tap*
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2016, 01:36:17 pm
The point being that there is a standard defined English

Is that the case though? As I noted previously what could be standard English differs by nation which would seem to undermine the notion of 'a' Standard English even though there might be various standards by nation. 

Wiki has this to say: "Standard English (SE) refers to whatever form of the English language is accepted as a national norm in any English-speaking country. It encompasses grammar, vocabulary and spelling. In the British Isles, particularly in England and Wales, it is often associated with: the "Received Pronunciation" accent (there are several variants of the accent) and UKSE (United Kingdom Standard English), which refers to grammar and vocabulary. In Scotland the standard is Scottish Standard English. In the United States it is generally associated with (though controversially) the General American accent and in Australia with General Australian."
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2016, 01:38:33 pm
I don't know if any language is standardized across national borders. The Canadians, and other non-Frenchy Francophones, tend to ignore the pronouncements of the Académie française.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 10, 2016, 01:46:48 pm
I don't know if any language is standardized across national borders. The Canadians, and other non-Frenchy Francophones, tend to ignore the pronouncements of the Académie française.
Not quite.

Everyone ignores the pronouncements of the Académie Française in everyday speech.
Education and official communications are another matter entirely.  Though the Frogs tend to use more english words than we do, in their official communications.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 10, 2016, 01:54:08 pm
The point being that there is a standard defined English, and there are vernaculars, regional and social.  There are also dialects, and there are even admixtures of two languages.  All of them that have internally consistent rules, usage, and understanding are parts of the English Language.

What makes the standard the standard?  It is not always correct.  Speak that Upper Midwest Broadcaster English deep in the Barrio, and you might well find that this is rather improper for the moment, just as the Barrio-Speak at the Waldorf is not proper.

For the linguist, not the socio-linguist, the fact that both have their own rules, grammars, and syntax that are followed makes both vernaculars - but neither can be classified as less of a language (or technically part of a language) than the other.  The socio-linguist would take this farther and say that in practice it is all about the situation - proper and improper are therefore very much situationally based.

This is why we should not put socio-linguists in charge of education.  ;)

The point is that talking about "standard", "formal" or "proper" English is all about privileging one set or rules over another - one "standard" that everyone is expected to know, if they wish to communicate clearly and effectively outside their immediate community.

Now all this talk about "privilege" and "proper" is just hateful to your modern progressive - to them, it just sounds like racism, colonialism, and every other sort of -ism that they dislike. To my mind, it doesn't have to be. It can, in fact, be empowering - if all you know is "Barrio-Speak", you are at a big disadvantage in communicating with anyone outside the Barrio compared with someone who can talk "Barrio-speak" in the Barrio and "proper English" outside the Barrio, right? Therefore, in actually teaching language, it is better to have as the goal the teaching of "proper English" (which not everyone learns from 'their street') rather than Barrio-speak (which, presumably, people do learn from 'the street' - but each community has a different version).

Sure, each is a language, but one is a language useful for communicating with people in the world at large, and one is not.

Everyone more or less understand this, but it is a point that can get lost among all this discussion of how "there is no such thing as proper English". 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 10, 2016, 02:11:17 pm
I agree with everything that Peedy said, except he left out the fact that the various types of English do have a relationship with economic opportunity.

I've always thought the best way to teach ghetto kids English is to tell them it's a second language they have to master if they want any real chance of economic advancement.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 10, 2016, 02:19:40 pm
As an example of this process, I point to the history of Ebonics in education. The whole point of Ebonics, originally, was to cease disregarding Black dialect as 'unworthy' and use it in education -- with the ultimate goal of helping kids who grew up using the dialect to learn "standard English".

It was derided (unfairly, at least initially) as an attempt to teach Black kids dialect, rather than standard English. However, as time went on, some embraced the mistake and started to insist that forcing Black kids to learn "standard", even using AAVE as a tool for this purpose, was a sort of linguistic racism:

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According to Smitherman, the controversy and debates concerning AAVE in public schools imply deeper deterministic attitudes towards the African-American community as a whole. Smitherman describes this as a reflection of the "power elite's perceived insignificance and hence rejection of Afro-American language and culture".[139] She also asserts that African Americans are forced to conform to European American society in order to succeed, and that conformity ultimately means the "eradication of black language . . . and the adoption of the linguistic norms of the white middle class." The necessity for "bi-dialectialism" (AAVE and General American) means "some blacks contend that being bi-dialectal not only causes a schism in the black personality, but it also implies such dialects are 'good enough' for blacks but not for whites."[140]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English#In_education

The point though is that ultimately there must be some mutually intelligible agreed-on standard. That standard is likely going to be established, by definition, by those in the majority and in positions of influence. Those who are not in the majority and who do not have influence are going to have to learn it, if they wish to be understood - hence persuade - the powerful and influential, or perhaps become powerful and influential themselves ... either that, or get the majority, the powerful and the influential to learn their dialect. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2016, 02:21:48 pm
Yeah well white people who speak dialects have the same issue. And not all Afro-Americans speak the same dialect. Far from it.

Besides it is not like the Afro-American dialects have not had a large effect on how Americans speak English in general. This sounds like a vast simplification for the point of telling a certain story.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Malthus on June 10, 2016, 02:25:19 pm
Yeah well white people who speak dialects have the same issue. And not all Afro-Americans speak the same dialect. Far from it.

Exactly. That's why a "standard" of "proper" English is a good thing. If (say) a white dialect speaker wishes to talk to a Black dialect speaker, it would be best if both could switch out of dialect and speak in "standard" to each other, or they may not be mutually intelligible. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2016, 02:35:31 pm
Besides I have never been clear if speaking an Afro-American dialect as a white person was considered demeaning or insulting. This lady says it is not "good enough" for me. But if I did speak it then these same left wing people probably insist it was appropriation of some kind. I wish they would be clear on what is considered acceptable and what is considered racist.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Savonarola on June 10, 2016, 02:42:57 pm
Yeah well white people who speak dialects have the same issue.

You could almost turn that into a song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAYUuspQ6BY).
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2016, 02:46:33 pm
Yeah well white people who speak dialects have the same issue.

You could almost turn that into a song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAYUuspQ6BY).

:lol:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 10, 2016, 02:58:07 pm
Yeah well white people who speak dialects have the same issue.

You could almost turn that into a song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAYUuspQ6BY).

 :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on June 10, 2016, 06:16:25 pm
The point being that there is a standard defined English

Is that the case though? As I noted previously what could be standard English differs by nation which would seem to undermine the notion of 'a' Standard English even though there might be various standards by nation. 

Wiki has this to say: "Standard English (SE) refers to whatever form of the English language is accepted as a national norm in any English-speaking country. It encompasses grammar, vocabulary and spelling. In the British Isles, particularly in England and Wales, it is often associated with: the "Received Pronunciation" accent (there are several variants of the accent) and UKSE (United Kingdom Standard English), which refers to grammar and vocabulary. In Scotland the standard is Scottish Standard English. In the United States it is generally associated with (though controversially) the General American accent and in Australia with General Australian."

You are right, there are several standard English norms - what I was referring to was within these norms there are standardized grammars, spellings, syntax, etc.  Think here, textbook (American) English, for example.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 12, 2016, 11:04:13 pm
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13342868_10155000538234863_897892266040613892_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=321009240bcc00368cac8b8762e51806&oe=57CB09DF)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 12, 2016, 11:10:03 pm
You are right, there are several standard English norms - what I was referring to was within these norms there are standardized grammars, spellings, syntax, etc.  Think here, textbook (American) English, for example.

and within american english, there's no standard by which all must follow. for example, consider punctuation: authors frequently abandon those rigid laws. one could, conceivably, correctly, use punctuation, and, therefore, it would, for sure, be correct, but it's really pretty awful, for the reader, to slog through, and, I don't think, it's reasonable to demand everyone to conform absolutely
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2016, 11:13:26 pm
i think, you have, no clue about punctuation
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 12, 2016, 11:14:13 pm
and within american english, there's no standard by which all must follow. for example, consider punctuation: authors frequently abandon those rigid laws. one could, conceivably, correctly, use punctuation, and, therefore, it would, for sure, be correct, but it's really pretty awful, for the reader, to slog through, and, I don't think, it's reasonable to demand everyone to conform absolutely

You need to stop that right now.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 12, 2016, 11:15:30 pm
i think, you have, no clue about punctuation

was there a punctuation error? show where
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 12, 2016, 11:21:44 pm
I'm still skipping over everything LaCroix writes.  Too much energy is needed to read posts that deliberately ignore basic grammar rules, and in my experience, very few people worth reading write that way on the Internet.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 12, 2016, 11:23:43 pm
I'm still calling you out on that one time I wrote correctly just to appease you  :D
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Habbaku on June 12, 2016, 11:33:59 pm
I'm still skipping over everything LaCroix writes.  Too much energy is needed to read posts that deliberately ignore basic grammar rules, and in my experience, very few people worth reading write that way on the Internet.

:yes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 12, 2016, 11:49:02 pm
I'm still skipping over everything LaCroix writes.  Too much energy is needed to read posts that deliberately ignore basic grammar rules, and in my experience, very few people worth reading write that way on the Internet.

:yes:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 13, 2016, 12:12:06 am
was there a punctuation error? show where

No period on last sentence, colon used incorrectly, half your commas used incorrectly.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 13, 2016, 12:13:47 am
You are right, there are several standard English norms - what I was referring to was within these norms there are standardized grammars, spellings, syntax, etc.  Think here, textbook (American) English, for example.

and within american english, there's no standard by which all must follow. for example, consider punctuation: authors frequently abandon those rigid laws. one could, conceivably, correctly, use punctuation, and, therefore, it would, for sure, be correct, but it's really pretty awful, for the reader, to slog through, and, I don't think, it's reasonable to demand everyone to conform absolutely

Within American English, there's no standard which all must follow.  For example, consider punctuation:  authors frequently abandon these rigid laws.  One could, conceivably, use punctuation correctly, and therefore be sure to be correct.  But it's really pretty awful for the reader to slog through and it's not reasonable, in my opinion, to demand that everyone conform absolutely.

EDIT:  This is the cleaned-up version as far as syntax goes; the point you're trying to make remains unclear.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 12:41:11 am
 the point is that writing rules are about readability: one should abandon the rules when necessary to make their document more readable. obsessive adherence to the rules can fuck the one's writing and actually make it less clear.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 13, 2016, 12:46:45 am
the point is that writing rules are about readability: one should abandon the rules when necessary to make their document more readable. obsessive adherence to the rules can fuck the one's writing and actually make it less clear.
Your post was supposed to illustrate something about adherence to the rules?  :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 12:50:42 am
the point is that writing rules are about readability: one should abandon the rules when necessary to make their document more readable. obsessive adherence to the rules can fuck the one's writing and actually make it less clear.
Your post was supposed to illustrate something about adherence to the rules?  :huh:

yeah, there are times when it just looks clunky. usually with phrases like: ", and therefore . . ." I could use additional commas there, but it breaks the sentence's flow. the rules should be a guiding tool but should also be disregarded when they take away rather than add to the sentence
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 13, 2016, 12:57:28 am
Your post demonstrated lack of adherence to grammatical rules as well as lack of adherence to the principle of communication (hence my attempt at a cleaned-up version to improve both), so it's a little mystifying.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 01:00:09 am
Your post demonstrated lack of adherence to grammatical rules as well as lack of adherence to the principle of communication, so it's a little mystifying.

which grammatical rules? I disregarded the principle of communication with the thousand commas to that strict adherence to rules of punctuation don't always work and can hurt communication
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 13, 2016, 01:03:13 am
Neither Mahilia nor I thought your comma in between every word was strict adherence to the rules of grammar, or even in the same area code.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 01:06:11 am
with how I structured the sentences, they were. we can debate the punctuation usage once you show instances where you think I used improper punctuation
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 13, 2016, 01:12:35 am
I don't think, it's reasonable.  You don't put a comma there for starters.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 01:15:58 am
full section was "and, I don't think, it's reasonable . . ."

the sentence wasn't saying "I don't think it's reasonable"; rather, it was saying something like "and--I don't think at least--it's reasonable"
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 13, 2016, 01:31:12 am
It's reasonable, you don't think?  Dude, that's not English.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 13, 2016, 01:35:25 am
Languish First Law of Entropy: Any thread, sooner or later, develops into a discussion of syntax and semantics.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 13, 2016, 01:38:56 am
You misused "by which" in the first sentence.  And the second sentence -- "one could, conceivably, correctly, use punctuation, and, therefore, it would, for sure, be correct, but it's really pretty awful, for the reader, to slog through, and, I don't think, it's reasonable to demand everyone to conform absolutely" -- does not use commas correctly to set off clauses. 

You seem to be under the impression that the correct use of commas is simply to set off any adverb, which is wrong.  For instance, the "correctly" shouldn't be set off with commas because it directly modifies "use" (and if we were being ultra-grammarians and refusing to split infinitives, it would read "one could, conceivably, use correctly punctuation...". 

The commas around "conceivably" are only stylistic, not grammatically-required; FWIW, I would either use no punctuation there, i.e. "one could conceivably use punctuation corrrectly") or use parentheses instead, i.e. "one could (conceivably) use punctuation correctly".  (I realize these sentences do split the infinitive, but I think the rule against split infinitives is one of those antiquated and unhelpful grammatical rules that can safely be jettisoned.  The same goes for the rule against ending sentences on a preposition, if bizarre verbal gymnastics are necessary to avoid doing so.)

"Therefore" is misused since no conclusion is being drawn after an argument; "thereby" would be the better choice.  "It" is misused since you begin the sentence discussing a person ("one") not a work. 

"For the reader" is not a clause that can or should be set off with commas, nor is "to slog through."

"I (don't) think" is a clause that could be set off with commas, but only after the descriptor, e.g. "it's unreasonable, I think, to demand..."  If you went with "it's not reasonable, I don't think, to demand..." you'd have an unnecessary double-negative, but it would still be closer both to proper grammar and to intelligibility than what you actually wrote.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Martinus on June 13, 2016, 01:46:12 am
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/13450915_1110992278971680_6601082435393502159_n.jpg?oh=576efa69312895a7cc5d40c22589cccd&oe=57C7E46E&__gda__=1472516189_7cd6465e430c87ace8bcca1277f3fdc3)

:bleeding:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: LaCroix on June 13, 2016, 10:41:54 am
thanks for the explanations, CM, will go through and check it out later when I've got time.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 13, 2016, 10:47:53 am
thanks for the explanations, CM, will go through and check it out later when I've got time.

Make sure to also reply, phrase by phrase.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 15, 2016, 05:57:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tUG9hio.jpg)


I really hope the sign is fake, or otherwise Valmy needs explain how this happened.

Actual quote:


Quote
Among the many interesting objects, which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

 A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined;
to which end a Uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.

    The proper establishment of the Troops which may be deemed indispensible, will be entitled to mature consideration. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the Officers and Soldiers with a due regard to economy.


It's from the first annual address to Congress
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 15, 2016, 08:33:19 pm
Huh. I have never seen a sign like that before. It does kind of look like a state historical marker:

(http://www.texasescapes.com/WestTexasTowns/NotreesTexas/NotreesTexasHistoricalMarker806GeorgeHollis.jpg)

So I vote for a photo shop of one. I am not sure where we would post such a marker.

It does sound like something Washington and Jefferson might say if one put both brains in the same body or something.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 15, 2016, 08:47:52 pm
It didn't occur to me at the moment, but the fact that they put the second amendment with a doctored quote and then attributed it to George Washington it implies that the entire thing is part of the 2nd amendment and the US constitution was written (at least in part) by George Washington.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on June 15, 2016, 09:36:53 pm
You are right, there are several standard English norms - what I was referring to was within these norms there are standardized grammars, spellings, syntax, etc.  Think here, textbook (American) English, for example.

and within american english, there's no standard by which all must follow. for example, consider punctuation: authors frequently abandon those rigid laws. one could, conceivably, correctly, use punctuation, and, therefore, it would, for sure, be correct, but it's really pretty awful, for the reader, to slog through, and, I don't think, it's reasonable to demand everyone to conform absolutely

What part of "standardized grammars, spelling, syntax, etc." would lead you to believe I said there were rigid rules that must be followed?  My whole argument was that there were many versions of English, all of them linguistically correct, but there is still an educational norm of "Standard English" which (others have pointed out better than I) are often required to succeed due to basic human societal factors.

Note - I could add a few commas if you wish.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 15, 2016, 10:04:38 pm
I like the fact the English never standardized their language like the French.  It creates such beautiful chaos.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 15, 2016, 11:02:10 pm
Please, give me an example of how the French standardized their language.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on June 15, 2016, 11:25:06 pm
Please, give me an example of how the French standardized their language.

I would assume he was talking about the Académie française.  Which without any profound knowledge of the topic, sounds like a pretty good attempt at standardization.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 15, 2016, 11:50:47 pm
I like the fact the English never standardized their language like the French.  It creates such beautiful chaos.

Oh FFS. You just will not stop talking trash will you?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 16, 2016, 12:10:30 am
 :lol:

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13417416_10208263645822895_606569431676700756_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=9488902266aee8d58fcf73810afde0e6&oe=57DBB74F)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 16, 2016, 12:23:38 am
Um...ok  :huh:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: 11B4V on June 16, 2016, 12:25:21 am
Um...ok  :huh:

The whole article is in Berkut's shrilly gun thread.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 12:42:26 am
I would assume he was talking about the Académie française.  Which without any profound knowledge of the topic, sounds like a pretty good attempt at standardization.

Of course that is what he is thinking about. But, as you indicated, the problem is "without any profound knowledge of the topic". It just presumes a bunch of stuff stemming from a crude set of vague ideas about "the French".

How, exactly, did the Académie française "standardized" the French language in ways that various other institutions in English-speaking countries, did not? Was there no process of standardization of English? I thought the whole point of the previous discussion was indeed that there are standards of English - indeed, anyone opening a variety of books from the 16th century will realize quite quickly, that the variations in punctuation, in spelling, in letter choices ("u" for "v") have all been standardized. It is, in fact, a process that is quite well studied, in increasingly fine detail thanks to digitized books.  So, I want to know, what it is that the Dictionnaire of the Académie did that the OED, the Webster, or Samuel Johnson's dictionary, did not.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 16, 2016, 12:53:23 am
He just hates the French and takes every innocuous thing as a sign of their ethnic inferiority to the glories of Missouri.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 01:05:22 am
Perhaps he had a bad time in Bonne Terre, MO. Or was swindled by the Laclède Gaz Company. Or fell in the River Des Pères.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 01:21:04 am
How, exactly, did the Académie française "standardized" the French language in ways that various other institutions in English-speaking countries, did not?

Told everyone to use "informatique" instead of "computer."  I can't think of an equivalent case in English.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 02:00:26 am
I would assume he was talking about the Académie française.  Which without any profound knowledge of the topic, sounds like a pretty good attempt at standardization.

Of course that is what he is thinking about. But, as you indicated, the problem is "without any profound knowledge of the topic". It just presumes a bunch of stuff stemming from a crude set of vague ideas about "the French".

How, exactly, did the Académie française "standardized" the French language in ways that various other institutions in English-speaking countries, did not? Was there no process of standardization of English? I thought the whole point of the previous discussion was indeed that there are standards of English - indeed, anyone opening a variety of books from the 16th century will realize quite quickly, that the variations in punctuation, in spelling, in letter choices ("u" for "v") have all been standardized. It is, in fact, a process that is quite well studied, in increasingly fine detail thanks to digitized books.  So, I want to know, what it is that the Dictionnaire of the Académie did that the OED, the Webster, or Samuel Johnson's dictionary, did not.

What did the Academie have that Webster did not?  Government money and the power of law.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 02:09:49 am
What did the Academie have that Webster did not?  Government money and the power of law.

Please, do go on. Which law, exactly? What did "Government money" allowed the Académie to do?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 02:20:32 am
Told everyone to use "informatique" instead of "computer."  I can't think of an equivalent case in English.

What?

I am not sure what you are referring to. If you mean "ordinateur" for computer, the word was developed within IBM. If you refer to "informatique" for what is designated as "computer science" in the USA, the word was similarly developed elsewhere (within academia, in fact), and picked up by the corporate world. In the US, my understanding is that "informatics" was blocked from use by copyright issues...

I think a lot of people here are confused about what the Académie française is doing. It issues recommendations on new words, new realities, new technologies. Informatique and ordinateur were picked up by the public. "Mercatique", as an alternate form of marketing, was not, despite being a recommendation. The Académie gets some media coverage, but much less than, say, the new words entering the Larousse, or the Robert - much like you'll find short articles about the new words entering the OED. There are similar forces at play for terminology standardization in the USA, or in Canada - legislation does a lot of that job, departments of terminology, etc.. What the Académie has, is a public existence in the media that these departments do not have, but how it is supposed to actually translates into monstrous State standardization to a level unseen anywhere else remains, to me, a mystery. 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 03:04:51 am
What?

I am not sure what you are referring to. If you mean "ordinateur" for computer, the word was developed within IBM. If you refer to "informatique" for what is designated as "computer science" in the USA, the word was similarly developed elsewhere (within academia, in fact), and picked up by the corporate world. In the US, my understanding is that "informatics" was blocked from use by copyright issues...

I think a lot of people here are confused about what the Académie française is doing. It issues recommendations on new words, new realities, new technologies. Informatique and ordinateur were picked up by the public. "Mercatique", as an alternate form of marketing, was not, despite being a recommendation. The Académie gets some media coverage, but much less than, say, the new words entering the Larousse, or the Robert - much like you'll find short articles about the new words entering the OED. There are similar forces at play for terminology standardization in the USA, or in Canada - legislation does a lot of that job, departments of terminology, etc.. What the Académie has, is a public existence in the media that these departments do not have, but how it is supposed to actually translates into monstrous State standardization to a level unseen anywhere else remains, to me, a mystery.

Oops.  Ordinateur.

The way I read the story ages and ages ago was that the French were using computer, the Acadamie said we can't use an English word, so we have to come up with a French word.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 03:19:21 am
The way I read the story ages and ages ago was that the French were using computer, the Acadamie said we can't use an English word, so we have to come up with a French word.

Nope. It's IBM attempting to sell its stuff in France, trying to find a French name. Asked a professor of medieval philology, who turned to the Littré dictionary (not even the Académie's...) and to Latin. IBM tried to copyright the word, but relented in the face of its popularity.

(http://www.konbini.com/fr/files/2014/05/lettre-ordinateur-ok-810x987.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Tamas on June 16, 2016, 04:38:43 am
Discussions on obscure little languages like English of French bore me.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 16, 2016, 04:47:22 am
Discussions on obscure little languages like English of French bore me.

I'm not even sure on what level this was supposed to work.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 08:34:32 am
What did the Academie have that Webster did not?  Government money and the power of law.

Please, do go on. Which law, exactly? What did "Government money" allowed the Académie to do?

Have a big building, exist, publish, make recommendations to the government about official use, award prizes.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 16, 2016, 08:44:09 am
The way I read the story ages and ages ago was that the French were using computer, the Acadamie said we can't use an English word, so we have to come up with a French word.

Nope. It's IBM attempting to sell its stuff in France, trying to find a French name. Asked a professor of medieval philology, who turned to the Littré dictionary (not even the Académie's...) and to Latin. IBM tried to copyright the word, but relented in the face of its popularity.

(http://www.konbini.com/fr/files/2014/05/lettre-ordinateur-ok-810x987.jpg)

Are you seriously arguing that the Académie does not try to standardize french?

It's their stated mission.

Quote
XXIV
La principale fonction de l’Académie sera de travailler
avec tout le soin et toute la diligence possibles à donner
des règles certaines à notre langue et à la rendre pure,
éloquente et capable de traiter les arts et les sciences.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Barrister on June 16, 2016, 10:37:10 am
I would assume he was talking about the Académie française.  Which without any profound knowledge of the topic, sounds like a pretty good attempt at standardization.

Of course that is what he is thinking about. But, as you indicated, the problem is "without any profound knowledge of the topic". It just presumes a bunch of stuff stemming from a crude set of vague ideas about "the French".

How, exactly, did the Académie française "standardized" the French language in ways that various other institutions in English-speaking countries, did not? Was there no process of standardization of English? I thought the whole point of the previous discussion was indeed that there are standards of English - indeed, anyone opening a variety of books from the 16th century will realize quite quickly, that the variations in punctuation, in spelling, in letter choices ("u" for "v") have all been standardized. It is, in fact, a process that is quite well studied, in increasingly fine detail thanks to digitized books.  So, I want to know, what it is that the Dictionnaire of the Académie did that the OED, the Webster, or Samuel Johnson's dictionary, did not.

Why don't you take that pole out of your butt for a second?

Look, my understanding is that the Académie française is the government-sponsored agency in charge of the French language.  The wiki page would confirm this:

Quote
The Académie is France's official authority on the usages, vocabulary, and grammar of the French language.

Which as an anglophone sounds odd, since we have no such official agency in charge of English.

If you want to go "hey, wait a second, doesn't the OED have a similar role in English", I'd be very interested in hearing that perspective.  I have no dog in this hunt - I'm not arguing for any particular point.  But no, you go off on me having "a crude set of vague ideas about "the French"" and attack me for saying something that, still, doesn't seem at all incorrect.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 16, 2016, 10:50:13 am
French speakers seem to have a helluva lot of chips on their shoulders.

Well at least the ones who post on Languish. -_-
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 10:59:21 am
If you want to go "hey, wait a second, doesn't the OED have a similar role in English", I'd be very interested in hearing that perspective.  I have no dog in this hunt - I'm not arguing for any particular point.  But no, you go off on me having "a crude set of vague ideas about "the French"" and attack me for saying something that, still, doesn't seem at all incorrect.

I know - though I used your post to go on, my points were not addressed to you, but to Raz, who (still) doesn't know what he is talking about. I am sorry if I came across as though I was spouting off at you.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 16, 2016, 11:02:47 am
What else is new with Raz though?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 11:09:03 am
If you want to go "hey, wait a second, doesn't the OED have a similar role in English", I'd be very interested in hearing that perspective.  I have no dog in this hunt - I'm not arguing for any particular point.  But no, you go off on me having "a crude set of vague ideas about "the French"" and attack me for saying something that, still, doesn't seem at all incorrect.

I know - though I used your post to go on, my points were not addressed to you, but to Raz, who (still) doesn't know what he is talking about. I am sorry if I came across as though I was spouting off at you.

Okay, if I don't know why don't you tell me.  What was the purpose of the French government forming of the French Acadamy, and giving it a budget, staff and palace?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 16, 2016, 11:30:33 am
If you want to go "hey, wait a second, doesn't the OED have a similar role in English", I'd be very interested in hearing that perspective.  I have no dog in this hunt - I'm not arguing for any particular point.  But no, you go off on me having "a crude set of vague ideas about "the French"" and attack me for saying something that, still, doesn't seem at all incorrect.

I know - though I used your post to go on, my points were not addressed to you, but to Raz, who (still) doesn't know what he is talking about. I am sorry if I came across as though I was spouting off at you.

Okay, if I don't know why don't you tell me.  What was the purpose of the French government forming of the French Acadamy, and giving it a budget, staff and palace?
Sinecure.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 01:02:18 pm
"The French Government", being Richelieu as master of royal patronage, wanted a retinue of writers to exalt the glory of Louis XIII, a collection of nom de plume for his own propagandist writings, and a group of sponsored writers who would establish French as much as a language of arts and eloquence as was Latin. What one could ascribe to an effort of standardization, its 1694 Dictionary, was governed by the principle of "uses" rather than prescription; its diffusion, marred by an extremely slow publication process, was much lower than Furetière's own Universal Dictionary of 1684, revised by the Jesuits, and adopted by them in their teachings.

As an Academy, the Académie française probably contributed much less to standardization of the French language - a complex process spanning centuries and involving, in France as in England, the language of chancelleries and the law - than the Royal Academy of Sciences in England contributed to the standardization of the language of science.
 
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 01:12:39 pm
Why the scare quotes around "French Government"?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 01:18:25 pm
Because you use it in a ahistorical manner, to convey meanings more properly attached to later, 19th or 20th century government practices, to the sort of royal government that oversaw the foundation of the Académie. By the same token, one could say that the British government sponsored Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 02:25:31 pm
Because you use it in a ahistorical manner, to convey meanings more properly attached to later, 19th or 20th century government practices, to the sort of royal government that oversaw the foundation of the Académie. By the same token, one could say that the British government sponsored Shakespeare.

I suppose I could.  In fact, I have no problem with saying that governments sponsers artists, inventors, scientists and builders.  You have a point but a very narrow one, that government was different in the 17th century.  This is true, but it still means that that the Acadamy had both a mission to regulate the French language and state funding in the person of the monarch and was continued long after the death of King Louis XIII by successive French states.  As far as I know, Noah Webster had no similar advantage.  I know of no similar institution in the United States.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 02:33:36 pm
Ucks, what is the significance of that letter written on Universite de Paris letterhead?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 02:45:57 pm
Ucks, what is the significance of that letter written on Universite de Paris letterhead?

It's the month. It was an old way of dating - 16 IV 55 : April 16th, 1955.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 16, 2016, 06:28:38 pm
:lol:

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13417416_10208263645822895_606569431676700756_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=9488902266aee8d58fcf73810afde0e6&oe=57DBB74F)


(https://www.blogher.com/files/Arizona-gun-range-550.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 07:14:35 pm
 :XD:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 16, 2016, 09:14:11 pm
Ucks, what is the significance of that letter written on Universite de Paris letterhead?

And it shows someone (presumably the professor mentioned above) proposing to someone else (presumably IBM) the word "ordinateur" as the French word for "computer" (seemingly on the grounds of a corresponding theological use, from what I can glean from the handwriting and my knowledge of French) back in 1955.  Disproving the idea that the word "computer" was widely used in France until the Academie clamped down on it, which I think was the story you initially said you remembered hearing..
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 09:23:30 pm
And it shows someone (presumably the professor mentioned above) proposing to someone else (presumably IBM) the word "ordinateur" as the French word for "computer" (seemingly on the grounds of a corresponding theological use, from what I can glean from the handwriting and my knowledge of French) back in 1955.  Disproving the idea that the word "computer" was widely used in France until the Academie clamped down on it, which I think was the story you initially said you remembered hearing..

OK, that's what I thought, but I don't see how it disproves that "computer" was used widely in France.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 16, 2016, 09:30:11 pm
And it shows someone (presumably the professor mentioned above) proposing to someone else (presumably IBM) the word "ordinateur" as the French word for "computer" (seemingly on the grounds of a corresponding theological use, from what I can glean from the handwriting and my knowledge of French) back in 1955.  Disproving the idea that the word "computer" was widely used in France until the Academie clamped down on it, which I think was the story you initially said you remembered hearing..

OK, that's what I thought, but I don't see how it disproves that "computer" was used widely in France.

Well it certainly suggests "ordinateur" was in use (from a non-Academie source) a solid 30 years before the age of the personal computer.  But if you have documentary evidence that "computer" was making headway in France during this whole time, only to be cut down in its prime by the Academie, by all means share it.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 09:31:41 pm
Well it certainly suggests "ordinateur" was in use (from a non-Academie source) a solid 30 years before the age of the personal computer.  But if you have documentary evidence that "computer" was making headway in France during this whole time, only to be cut down in its prime by the Academie, by all means share it.

As I said before, it's something I read a very long time ago.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 16, 2016, 09:34:35 pm
Courriel vs. e-mail is the French tech terminology controversy I'm more familiar with.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 09:52:34 pm


Well it certainly suggests "ordinateur" was in use (from a non-Academie source) a solid 30 years before the age of the personal computer.  But if you have documentary evidence that "computer" was making headway in France during this whole time, only to be cut down in its prime by the Academie, by all means share it.

Well I imagine the French had a word for a computer before the 1980's.  The Americans did: computer.  The US were using Hollerith machines to do the census by the 1890's.

I took a look at the Wikipedia entry for French Orthography  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_French_orthography

This line is in there
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The third (1740) and fourth (1762) editions of the Académie dictionary were very progressive ones, changing the spelling of about half the words altogether.

It's not cited, but if true would indicate that the French Academy did, in fact, do some significant regulating.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 10:01:47 pm
It's not cited, but if true would indicate that the French Academy did, in fact, do some significant regulating.

Lol. No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 16, 2016, 10:05:40 pm
Well I imagine the French had a word for a computer before the 1980's.  The Americans did: computer.  The US were using Hollerith machines to do the census by the 1890's.

:huh: Well I too imagine the French had a word for a computer before the 1980s; in fact, I imagine they had their current word for it by April 1955.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 10:25:35 pm
It's not cited, but if true would indicate that the French Academy did, in fact, do some significant regulating.

Lol. No it doesn't.

What is the proper percentage of words with altered spelling required to account for significant regulating?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 10:40:03 pm
Well I imagine the French had a word for a computer before the 1980's.  The Americans did: computer.  The US were using Hollerith machines to do the census by the 1890's.

 :huh: Well I too imagine the French had a word for a computer before the 1980s; in fact, I imagine they had their current word for it by April 1955.

Huh.  They apparently did not have that word by April of 1955, since that is the letter the coins the word.  That's the first time it's used.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: PDH on June 16, 2016, 10:50:03 pm
Remember that "computer" was (before the mid 1940s) a word for someone who did equations.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 16, 2016, 10:51:27 pm
Huh.  They apparently did not have that word by April of 1955, since that is the letter the coins the word.  That's the first time it's used.

:huh:  The term was coined and they "had" that word, both in April 1955.  Unless you use "by" to refer to temporal events in some non-standard way....
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 11:05:21 pm
Huh.  They apparently did not have that word by April of 1955, since that is the letter the coins the word.  That's the first time it's used.

 :huh:  The term was coined and they "had" that word, both in April 1955.  Unless you use "by" to refer to temporal events in some non-standard way....

Well, By April tends to mean by the beginning of the month ( like get here by 8:00), but "they" as the French people did not unless it got around really, really fast.  I don't  consider the the American people having had the word Computoquerribuck, a word made up by me, by June of 2016.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 17, 2016, 07:34:41 am
Courriel vs. e-mail is the French tech terminology controversy I'm more familiar with.

Yeah I am thinking this was what Yi was talking about. French is not the only romance language to use a version of 'ordinateur'.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 17, 2016, 07:49:39 am
French speakers seem to have a helluva lot of chips on their shoulders.

Well at least the ones who post on Languish. -_-

Anybody who challenges mis-information and stereotypes has a chip on their shoulders? Did you not get huffy with Viper when he made a gag about gays having commitment issues?

We have an obnoxious bigot like Raz going around spewing his bullshit it does piss me off a bit.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 17, 2016, 07:53:26 am
Because you use it in a ahistorical manner, to convey meanings more properly attached to later, 19th or 20th century government practices, to the sort of royal government that oversaw the foundation of the Académie. By the same token, one could say that the British government sponsored Shakespeare.

I suppose I could.  In fact, I have no problem with saying that governments sponsers artists, inventors, scientists and builders.  You have a point but a very narrow one, that government was different in the 17th century.  This is true, but it still means that that the Acadamy had both a mission to regulate the French language and state funding in the person of the monarch and was continued long after the death of King Louis XIII by successive French states.  As far as I know, Noah Webster had no similar advantage.  I know of no similar institution in the United States.

There are institutions like this in other European countries. The British have a big fancy building to regulate coats of arms and shit. Besides not every country is exactly identical to the US or should be.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2016, 08:00:49 am
Remember that "computer" was (before the mid 1940s) a word for someone who did equations.

Verb computer or word still exist in French for calculus or date calculations. Not common but it is found on all decent dictionaries. Heard it in Latin class in high school.

I have seen "computeur" with the same meaning you described

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/computeur (https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/computeur) Wiktionary, so not a great source I reckon.

http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/advanced.exe?29;s=3509478045; (http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/advanced.exe?29;s=3509478045;)

COMPUTER, verbe.
Rare
A. Emploi intrans. Déterminer une date; calculer, supputer un temps :
Quant aux ères, ici on compte par l'année de la création, là par olympiade (...). On compute encore par les ères julienne, grégorienne, ibérienne et actienne.
CHATEAUBRIAND, Génie du christianisme, t. 1, 1803, p. 127.
B. Emploi trans., littér. [L'obj. désigne un objet quantifiable] Calculer, évaluer. Si l'on computait tout ce qui est gagné par tous les avocats d'une grande ville (SAY, Traité d'écon. pol., 1832, p. 366). Une mécanique de bois et de métal qui (...) peut computer les tables astronomiques et nautiques jusqu'à n'importe quel point donné (BAUDELAIRE, Nouv. Histoires extraordinaires, trad. d'E. Poë, 1857, p. 383). L'épouvantable catastrophe pécuniaire qu'il computait (J. DE LA VARENDE, Indulgence plénière, 1951, p. 228).
Prononc. et Orth. : [], (je) compute []. Étymol. et Hist. 1595 (MONTAIGNE, Essais, III, 9, éd. A. Thibaudet, p. 1113). Empr. au lat. class. computare « calculer ». Fréq. abs. littér. : 7.

As for the word before ordinateur, it was probably "calculateur". For mainframes à la ENIAC AFAIK
Earlier on, machine arithmétique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_calculator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_calculator) from Blaise Pascal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal)
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 17, 2016, 10:32:35 am
There are institutions like this in other European countries. The British have a big fancy building to regulate coats of arms and shit. Besides not every country is exactly identical to the US or should be.

Okay.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 17, 2016, 10:35:51 am
Okay.

Some institutions have only tradition and old age to recommend them. Every country has stuff like that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Oexmelin on June 17, 2016, 06:01:34 pm
What is the proper percentage of words with altered spelling required to account for significant regulating?

I am just going to give you one example to show you how your premises about regulating, and the impact of the Académie, are misguided.

In the 16th, and the early 17th century, the preferred spelling, as in, the most used by writers in print, was throsne. Even at that time, it was in competition with other spellings, notably, throne (this one mostly linked to the printer's uses or not of accents), thrône, and trône.

The first dictionary of the Académie, in 1694, retained throne. No s, no accent.
In 1740, it changed for trône, with the accent.

This is a google ngram viewer. It digs within google's digitized books to track the occurrences of words. You can see that the publishing of the Académie's dictionary has little to do with the frequencies of spelling. Even as the Académie retained throne, most writers were using the version without the "h". The decline of "throne" had begun much earlier in print.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=throsne%2Ctr%C3%B4ne%2Ctrone%2Cthr%C3%B4ne%2C+trosne&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1600&year_end=1790&corpus=19&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cthrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bthrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BThrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTRONE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cthr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BThr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bthr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTrosne%3B%2Cc0 (https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=throsne%2Ctr%C3%B4ne%2Ctrone%2Cthr%C3%B4ne%2C+trosne&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1600&year_end=1790&corpus=19&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cthrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bthrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BThrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTrone%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTRONE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cthr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BThr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bthr%C3%B4ne%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Ctrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Btrosne%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BTrosne%3B%2Cc0)

There is a reason for that: the Académie's main tool for suggestion, the Dictionary, was published slowly, and in very small numbers. No one could find it. No one bought it. Its impact was marginal. Much more influential was Antoine Furetière's own competing dictionary, which the Jesuits adopted for their teachings, and modernized later as the Dictionnaire de Trévoux. But even Furetière's popular dictionary, who retained "Trosne", did not curb the more widespread use.   

Did the French language standardize over time? Absolutely. Like all other languages in print. Was it the work of the Académie? Not really.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 17, 2016, 06:58:32 pm
Okay Oex, if you want me to believe that the institutions of your country don't actually do what they are designed to do, then who am I to argue with you?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 18, 2016, 04:57:04 am
Okay Oex, if you want me to believe that the institutions of your country don't actually do what they are designed to do, then who am I to argue with you?

Do you realise Oexmelin is not French?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 18, 2016, 07:00:16 am
Nope.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 18, 2016, 07:48:01 am
Nope.

 :lmfao:

I can see that.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 18, 2016, 11:36:26 am
Okay Oex, if you want me to believe that the institutions of your country don't actually do what they are designed to do, then who am I to argue with you?

Oex isn't French.

And how is the Academie designed to do what you claim it is designed to do? It has no mechanisms or levers to regulate how French is spoken beyond its cultural gravitas. It does not have some kind of review process where they can fine people like an agency actually designed to regulate would have. A very weird state of conditions if it truly was a regulatory body as you claim.

It is a little like the Oxford English Dictionary only the OED seeks to record and study English while the Academie seeks to protect and define French. But in both cases their authority is completely informal.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 18, 2016, 12:47:36 pm
Okay Oex, if you want me to believe that the institutions of your country don't actually do what they are designed to do, then who am I to argue with you?

Oex isn't French.

And how is the Academie designed to do what you claim it is designed to do? It has no mechanisms or levers to regulate how French is spoken beyond its cultural gravitas. It does not have some kind of review process where they can fine people like an agency actually designed to regulate would have. A very weird state of conditions if it truly was a regulatory body as you claim.

It is a little like the Oxford English Dictionary only the OED seeks to record and study English while the Academie seeks to protect and define French. But in both cases their authority is completely informal.

Regulating the French language is its stated purpose.  It seems like a state funded advisory board.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 23, 2016, 01:16:22 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 23, 2016, 01:19:43 pm
Damn men are whiny.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 23, 2016, 01:20:29 pm
Regulating the French language is its stated purpose.  It seems like a state funded advisory board.

It is one of those cultural institution things. Lots of countries have cultural ministries. But they are not typically regulatory bodies.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 23, 2016, 03:13:01 pm
Regulating the French language is its stated purpose.  It seems like a state funded advisory board.

It is one of those cultural institution things. Lots of countries have cultural ministries. But they are not typically regulatory bodies.

This is really an odd way to spin all this.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 23, 2016, 03:29:12 pm
This is really an odd way to spin all this.

I am stating factual information. They are the guardians of this cultural institution but have nothing besides informal authority. Like the College of Arms in the UK or something.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Phillip V on June 24, 2016, 01:15:28 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2016, 01:24:37 pm
Where is the folly there? I mean the Vice President thing is a little misleading.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 24, 2016, 01:33:30 pm
I'm pretty sure you can fail even if you don't quit.  If I were to try out for an Olympic 100 meter dash team, I'm pretty sure I will fail regardless of when and if I quit.  Though now that I think about it, I will fail because I'm starting out with such a defeatist attitude.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 24, 2016, 01:34:40 pm
Damn men are whiny.

qft
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: mongers on June 24, 2016, 01:45:41 pm
I'm pretty sure you can fail even if you don't quit.  If I were to try out for an Olympic 100 meter dash team, I'm pretty sure I will fail regardless of when and if I quit.  Though now that I think about it, I will fail because I'm starting out with such a defeatist attitude.  :hmm:

You just need to employ a lawyer to change the rules, so as to allow rocket wheelie shoes.   :cool:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: The Brain on June 24, 2016, 02:51:47 pm
Hitler was too legit and he lost.

Hmmm... Well, I suppose Dönitz still had a decent chance, so I guess Hitler did in fact quit.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 24, 2016, 04:14:14 pm
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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 24, 2016, 06:06:06 pm
This is really an odd way to spin all this.

I am stating factual information. They are the guardians of this cultural institution but have nothing besides informal authority. Like the College of Arms in the UK or something.

Or the EPA science advisor board.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2016, 08:33:45 pm
Or the EPA science advisor board.

More like the um...actually I don't know if we have any of those kinds of goofy things. Even the Texas Historical Commission has regulatory powers.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 28, 2016, 06:06:22 am
Getting this thread back on track.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/racist-swimming-pool-poster-sparks-8298931

Quote
'Racist' swimming pool poster sparks outrage on Twitter after 'portraying black children as not cool'


A swimming pool poster has been branded 'racist' on social media for allegedly portraying black children as 'not cool'.

The 'water safety' poster, by the American Red Cross , shows a group of youngsters engaging in various activities at a pool .

It labels them 'cool' or 'not cool' depending on whether behaviour adheres to the site's rules, including no pushing others in the water.

However, it has sparked outrage on Twitter after apparently disproportionately portraying young black swimmers as 'not cool'.

One user, John Sawyer from Washington DC, US, declared the Red Cross should replace the poster because 'the current one... is super racist'.

Another user, Matt Hickman, tweeted: "Seriously, RedCross? Behaving white kids are 'cool'; children of color depicted as misbehaving/'not cool' #racism."

And one remarked: "So nobody saw this poster and thought it looked unbalanced?"

Speaking to 9 News , Margaret Sawyer also said she was stunned by the humanitarian organisation's poster after spotting it at two different pools.

The mum, who was accompanied by her young children on at least one of the instances, said: "I thought 'It must be really outdated. This can't possibly be a recent poster'."

When she realised it was wrong, she said she 'felt really angry'.

The Red Cross has since apologised for the poster, which is titled 'Be Cool, Follow The Rules'.

In a statement , the organisation said: "The American Red Cross appreciates and is sensitive to the concerns raised regarding one of the water safety posters we produced.

"We deeply apologize for any misunderstanding, as it was absolutely not our intent to offend anyone.

"As one of the nation’s oldest and largest humanitarian organizations, we are committed to diversity and inclusion in all that we do, every day.

"To this end, we have removed the poster from our website and Swim App and have discontinued production.

"We have notified all of our partner aquatic facilities requesting they take down the poster."

It added: "Our organization has emphasized to our partners and on social media that it was absolutely not our intent to offend anyone and apologized for this inadvertent action."

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 07:43:30 am
Or the EPA science advisor board.

More like the um...actually I don't know if we have any of those kinds of goofy things. Even the Texas Historical Commission has regulatory powers.

The EPA science advisor board doesn't have regulatory powers.

One question though:  If I were a schoolboy in France and had to write a paper, if I were to use spellings and grammar contrary to that of the State funded dictionary, would I be penalized?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 08:30:25 am
One question though:  If I were a schoolboy in France and had to write a paper, if I were to use spellings and grammar contrary to that of the State funded dictionary, would I be penalized?

They put grammar in the dictionary? Weird.

No idea but generally misspelling things is frowned upon. However I also don't think every teacher has a copy of the dictionary sitting next to them when they check each paper.

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The EPA science advisor board doesn't have regulatory powers.

It is also not set up as some kind of national cultural institution.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 09:29:17 am
C'mon now Valmy, I know you have a hard-on for the French but this is to much.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 09:33:03 am
C'mon now Valmy, I know you have a hard-on for the French but this is to much.

I know you have these fantasies of this fascist French gestapo state but it just is not so :mellow:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 10:13:11 am
C'mon now Valmy, I know you have a hard-on for the French but this is to much.

I know you have these fantasies of this fascist French gestapo state but it just is not so :mellow:

No, I merely see a people convinced of the absolute superiority of their own culture, obsessed with imagined slights, and a distaste for pluralism.  But do go on, tell me about how the state institutions devoted to the purity of their language aren't really state institutions devoted to purity of their own language.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 10:19:33 am
No, I merely see a people convinced of the absolute superiority of their own culture, obsessed with imagined slights, and a distaste for pluralism.

Their identity is based on their culture. That does not necessarily mean they think it is superior, at least not these days. I never got that impression once in all my time there. I don't get the imagined slights since you seem to be the one obsessed with them.

Not every country is into the multi-cultural thing. But there are almost 200 countries in the world. If you want to get along in France you have to adopt the culture and become French. But then that is what they tried to the people in their empire: make them all into Frenchmen. Which, in some ways, is more admirable than considering them all racially inferior.

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But do go on, tell me about how the state institutions devoted to the purity of their language aren't really state institutions devoted to purity of their own language.

I have explained it many many many times. It is a state institution devoted to the preservation and promotion of cultural heritage, similar institutions exist in many countries in the world. Also it is one of those weird ancient institutions that has propagated through the centuries, it is not like they would create such a thing today. Again like the College of Arms in Britain.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 10:42:33 am
No, I merely see a people convinced of the absolute superiority of their own culture, obsessed with imagined slights, and a distaste for pluralism.

Their identity is based on their culture. That does not necessarily mean they think it is superior, at least not these days. I never got that impression once in all my time there. I don't get the imagined slights since you seem to be the one obsessed with them.

Not every country is into the multi-cultural thing. But there are almost 200 countries in the world. If you want to get along in France you have to adopt the culture and become French. But then that is what they tried to the people in their empire: make them all into Frenchmen. Which, in some ways, is more admirable than considering them all racially inferior.

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But do go on, tell me about how the state institutions devoted to the purity of their language aren't really state institutions devoted to purity of their own language.

I have explained it many many many times. It is a state institution devoted to the preservation and promotion of cultural heritage, similar institutions exist in many countries in the world. Also it is one of those weird ancient institutions that has propagated through the centuries, it is not like they would create such a thing today. Again like the College of Arms in Britain.

You keep pointing out the College of Arms in Britain.  Do they publish an official dictionary for Britain?  Is that Dictionary found in schools?  Does children's homework routinely rely on adherence to that dictionary?

I can't help but think you are trying to pull a fast one on me.  Sure the French Academy doesn't have the ability to coerce, they only publish a dictionary.  Of course the Dictionary informs French usage public schools which are required.  I do understand that the French don't like multiculturalism, and that's a black mark against them.  And their intolerance of other cultures within France is not limited to immigrants, but to people who have lived in France for centuries.  The French government has historically refused to even admit that other languages even exist in the country (as Zoupa so smugly pointed out), and made systematic efforts to destroy these languages.  Compare this to Canada where French is not only tolerated but given equal footing as English.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 28, 2016, 10:49:44 am
 :bleeding: Can we put an end to this?  Raz, you're right.  Valmy, you're also right.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 10:59:43 am
You keep pointing out the College of Arms in Britain.  Do they publish an official dictionary for Britain?  Is that Dictionary found in schools?  Does children's homework routinely rely on adherence to that dictionary?

I could point out dozens of similar institutions around the world for the preservation of culture. There are many classes in many schools that require you to learn and conform to certain cultural practices.

But I am not aware of the particular spelling and dictionary atrocity and outrage you are referring to. Granted trying to learn how to spell things in French is generally an atrocity.

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I can't help but think you are trying to pull a fast one on me.

I think you are such a hateful bigot that you hold the French to an absurdly high standard. If they do not meet that unreasonable standard they are inferior in your eyes. Which is fucking idiotic considering what a fucked up place Missouri is.

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Sure the French Academy doesn't have the ability to coerce, they only publish a dictionary.  Of course the Dictionary informs French usage public schools which are required.

Ok and we have a curriculum board in Texas which regulates how every fucking thing is taught. Including English. Hey Missouri does as well. So government agencies should not inform what is taught in public schools? What should do so then? I mean setting up a curriculum is not the same as forcing everybody in your country to hold those views. And further more I am not even sure the extent the dictionary informs schooling.

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I do understand that the French don't like multiculturalism, and that's a black mark against them.

Many people don't like multi-culturalism. Because it tends to destroy cultures and make everything rather generic. That is cool over here, we destroy and eat cultures for breakfast, but over in the old world they based their entire nation states around it.

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And their intolerance of other cultures within France is not limited to immigrants, but to people who have lived in France for centuries.  The French government has historically refused to even admit that other languages even exist in the country (as Zoupa so smugly pointed out), and made systematic efforts to destroy these languages.  Compare this to Canada where French is not only tolerated but given equal footing as English.

Well they didn't think of it that way. But you cannot bring up 19th century practices and then pretend that Canada has always embraced French. Also comparing old world and new world countries is inherently dishonest in things like this. They are based on totally different things.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:01:21 am
:bleeding: Can we put an end to this?  Raz, you're right.  Valmy, you're also right.

Are we compelling you to read this thread or something?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Grey Fox on June 28, 2016, 11:12:42 am
I am not sure I understand what you are arguing anymore, Valmy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:17:31 am
I am not sure I understand what you are arguing anymore, Valmy.

That France is not a dystopia just because it is slightly different than Missouri? :hmm:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 11:31:45 am
You keep pointing out the College of Arms in Britain.  Do they publish an official dictionary for Britain?  Is that Dictionary found in schools?  Does children's homework routinely rely on adherence to that dictionary?

I could point out dozens of similar institutions around the world for the preservation of culture. There are many classes in many schools that require you to learn and conform to certain cultural practices.

But I am not aware of the particular spelling and dictionary atrocity and outrage you are referring to. Granted trying to learn how to spell things in French is generally an atrocity.

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I can't help but think you are trying to pull a fast one on me.

I think you are such a hateful bigot that you hold the French to an absurdly high standard. If they do not meet that unreasonable standard they are inferior in your eyes. Which is fucking idiotic considering what a fucked up place Missouri is.

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Sure the French Academy doesn't have the ability to coerce, they only publish a dictionary.  Of course the Dictionary informs French usage public schools which are required.

Ok and we have a curriculum board in Texas which regulates how every fucking thing is taught. Including English. Hey Missouri does as well. So government agencies should not inform what is taught in public schools? What should do so then? I mean setting up a curriculum is not the same as forcing everybody in your country to hold those views. And further more I am not even sure the extent the dictionary informs schooling.

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I do understand that the French don't like multiculturalism, and that's a black mark against them.

Many people don't like multi-culturalism. Because it tends to destroy cultures and make everything rather generic. That is cool over here, we destroy and eat cultures for breakfast, but over in the old world they based their entire nation states around it.

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And their intolerance of other cultures within France is not limited to immigrants, but to people who have lived in France for centuries.  The French government has historically refused to even admit that other languages even exist in the country (as Zoupa so smugly pointed out), and made systematic efforts to destroy these languages.  Compare this to Canada where French is not only tolerated but given equal footing as English.

Well they didn't think of it that way. But you cannot bring up 19th century practices and then pretend that Canada has always embraced French. Also comparing old world and new world countries is inherently dishonest in things like this. They are based on totally different things.

I hold the French to the same standards as the US, Britain, Canada and Germany.  I think that's fair.  Should I hold them to the standards of China or Saudi Arabia?  Is that more appropriate?  Yes, I believe in multiculturalism, and any country that can tolerate its own citizens has a serious problem.  I have problems with any country devoted to the "purity" of race, religion or language. I have taken issue with the characterization that French Academy really is a meaningless organization that doesn't try to regulate and "purify" the French language, because clearly it is not.  At one time there were millions of Occitan speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the French government, don't you?  And please, do go on about Missouri, tell me every detail of why it is so bad.

Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:49:10 am

I hold the French to the same standards as the US, Britain, Canada and Germany.

Britain and Germany yes. The US no.

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I think that's fair.  Should I hold them to the standards of China or Saudi Arabia?  Is that more appropriate?

China, maybe. They have kind of the same thing going on. Not sure about Saudi Arabia.

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Yes, I believe in multiculturalism, and any country that can tolerate its own citizens has a serious problem.

I think France does pretty well tolerating its own citizens. Especially regarding things like race that we struggle with.

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I have problems with any country devoted to the "purity" of race, religion or language.

France is not devoted to any of those things.

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I have taken issue with the characterization that French Academy really is a meaningless organization that doesn't try to regulate and "purify" the French language, because clearly it is not.

I disagree. It is an ancient ceremonial cultural artifact. No more. And many countries have 'ministries of culture' and the like.

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At one time there were millions of Occitan speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the French government, don't you?

At one time there were many regional speakers of many languages. Those are decreased now. The French, at the time, saw it as a regional dialect and were always trying to standardize but not to preserve the purity of anything. In any case now all the signs in Provence are printed in both French and Provencal. Just like today black Missourians are not property so long as we are pretending things that happened in the 19th century are still going on today.

Tuscan is now Italian. And frankly in the modern world it is just daft to have thousands of different languages. And in Europe those tend to lead to nationalism and war. I don't have any particular problem with national lingua francas being taught and encouraged. Hell it is one of the reasons in France everybody gets 12 years of English. Not that it seems to benefit them much :P

Which I have to admit so much public money for English learning kind of flies in the face of your claims of intolerance for other languages or a public policy of language purification :hmm:

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And please, do go on about Missouri, tell me every detail of why it is so bad.

As soon as you give me some details and not vague bullshit backing up what you say, sure.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 28, 2016, 12:05:38 pm
At one time there were millions of Occitan speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the French government, don't you? 
At one time, there were thousands of Sioux speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?
At one time, there were thousands of French speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?
At one time, there were thousands of Cherokee speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 28, 2016, 12:06:08 pm
:bleeding: Can we put an end to this?  Raz, you're right.  Valmy, you're also right.

Are we compelling you to read this thread or something?

Your hijack is dull in a thread that is mostly amusing.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 12:10:13 pm
Your hijack is dull in a thread that is mostly amusing.

Mine? Plenty of other people have participated in this discussion. And Raz started it by randomly attacking French in a stupid way out of nowhere for no reason at all.

Besides my role here is not to entertain you :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: garbon on June 28, 2016, 12:13:40 pm
Your hijack is dull in a thread that is mostly amusing.

Mine? Plenty of other people have participated in this discussion. And Raz started it by randomly attacking French in a stupid way out of nowhere for no reason at all.

Besides my role here is not to entertain you :P

Well it should be. :angry:
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 01:12:05 pm
At one time there were millions of Occitan speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the French government, don't you? 
At one time, there were thousands of Sioux speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?
At one time, there were thousands of French speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?
At one time, there were thousands of Cherokee speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the US government, don't you?

This is true.  There were not, however hundreds of thousands of Sioux speakers, and there was not millions of French speakers.  The treatment of native Americans is very much a crime.  The French speakers simply vanished due to increased immigration.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 01:58:35 pm

I hold the French to the same standards as the US, Britain, Canada and Germany.

Britain and Germany yes. The US no.

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I think that's fair.  Should I hold them to the standards of China or Saudi Arabia?  Is that more appropriate?

China, maybe. They have kind of the same thing going on. Not sure about Saudi Arabia.

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Yes, I believe in multiculturalism, and any country that can tolerate its own citizens has a serious problem.

I think France does pretty well tolerating its own citizens. Especially regarding things like race that we struggle with.

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I have problems with any country devoted to the "purity" of race, religion or language.

France is not devoted to any of those things.

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I have taken issue with the characterization that French Academy really is a meaningless organization that doesn't try to regulate and "purify" the French language, because clearly it is not.

I disagree. It is an ancient ceremonial cultural artifact. No more. And many countries have 'ministries of culture' and the like.

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At one time there were millions of Occitan speakers, now there aren't.  I rather think that has something to do with the French government, don't you?

At one time there were many regional speakers of many languages. Those are decreased now. The French, at the time, saw it as a regional dialect and were always trying to standardize but not to preserve the purity of anything. In any case now all the signs in Provence are printed in both French and Provencal. Just like today black Missourians are not property so long as we are pretending things that happened in the 19th century are still going on today.

Tuscan is now Italian. And frankly in the modern world it is just daft to have thousands of different languages. And in Europe those tend to lead to nationalism and war. I don't have any particular problem with national lingua francas being taught and encouraged. Hell it is one of the reasons in France everybody gets 12 years of English. Not that it seems to benefit them much :P

Which I have to admit so much public money for English learning kind of flies in the face of your claims of intolerance for other languages or a public policy of language purification :hmm:

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And please, do go on about Missouri, tell me every detail of why it is so bad.

As soon as you give me some details and not vague bullshit backing up what you say, sure.

Your position that the French Academy is just some peculiar oddity is simply absurd. Comparing it to a college of Heraldry is silly.  Few people use Heraldy, everyone uses a dictionary. It is a state institution charged with the purity of the language.  It produces the reference books for language that are used to educate the population.  If it was merely a cultural artifact it wouldn't be producing the official dictionary.  If it was in fact so obsolete it would have disappeared after two empires, three monarchies, five republics and a fascist state.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 02:00:16 pm
Your hijack is dull in a thread that is mostly amusing.

Mine? Plenty of other people have participated in this discussion. And Raz started it by randomly attacking French in a stupid way out of nowhere for no reason at all.

Besides my role here is not to entertain you :P

Saying France regulates its language is not an insult.  It's the stated mission of a part of it's government!
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: DGuller on June 28, 2016, 02:03:05 pm
I think it's safe to say that by now we're dealing with a folly of the non-Facebook kind.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 28, 2016, 03:26:32 pm
Saying France regulates its language is not an insult. 
No, it's just an non truth.

The Académie does not depend on the government, and the government does not have to listen to it, nor do any citizen of France has to conform to it.

But just like English, there are vocabulary and grammar schools taught in schools.  You get bad grades if you don't write proper French in schools.  I'm guessing you have the same process in English speaking countries.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 03:45:41 pm
It was originally delivered as an insult waaaaaaaay back like five pages ago.

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I think it's safe to say that by now we're dealing with a folly of the non-Facebook kind.

A much more traditionally languish type of folly  :P
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 28, 2016, 05:22:42 pm
This is true.  There were not, however hundreds of thousands of Sioux speakers, and there was not millions of French speakers.  The treatment of native Americans is very much a crime.  The French speakers simply vanished due to increased immigration.
There was roughly 2.5 million Americans, white and mostly protestants, English speaking people at the time of your independance.  You have to keep proportions in sight.  Also, indians did not have census of their own, so we need to keep things in proportion.  The American government pursued of policy of extermination and assimilation of indians, that is a fact.  French speakers were also forced assimilated in areas they were settled.  Not that many French speakers in Detroit today, or neither in Lowell, MA.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Zoupa on June 28, 2016, 08:44:52 pm
I don't understand Raz's point, apart from the usual "I hate France and let's mock them'.

Every modern language has dictionaries  :huh:  L'Académie Francaise publishes a dictionary. Nobody cares much.

You'd be hard pressed to find it in any french home. We usually prefer Larousse or Le Robert.

The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.

Chill.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: viper37 on June 28, 2016, 08:48:17 pm
The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.
He was wondering in another thread if he soon could be a politician.  Impervious to facts as he is, I guess he's ready.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 09:51:44 pm
I don't understand Raz's point, apart from the usual "I hate France and let's mock them'.

Every modern language has dictionaries  :huh:  L'Académie Francaise publishes a dictionary. Nobody cares much.

You'd be hard pressed to find it in any french home. We usually prefer Larousse or Le Robert.

The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.

Chill.

France has passed laws (Quebec has, as well, I believe) regulating the use of language in signs and advertising (though I don't remember all the details).  Raz may be confusing such actual government action with the work of the Academy.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:15:25 pm
France has passed laws (Quebec has, as well, I believe) regulating the use of language in signs and advertising (though I don't remember all the details).  Raz may be confusing such actual government action with the work of the Academy.

What sort of laws? Is this bar in Paris going to shut down? Will they be shocked SHOCKED to see English being printed here?

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Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 28, 2016, 11:17:33 pm
What is that abomination, Las Vegas petit?
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
What is that abomination, Las Vegas petit?

They have tacky American bars all over Euroland.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 28, 2016, 11:22:59 pm
Christ, no wonder they consider us a vapid empty culture.  Only thing worse than an unimaginative franchise bar restaurant is a shitty fucking replica of an unimaginative franchise bar restaurant.
Title: Re: Facebook Follies of Friends and Families
Post by: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 11:23:47 pm

What sort of laws?

Google is your friend.