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#31
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by HVC - Today at 03:05:08 PM
Guess musks donations helped him out after all
#32
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#33
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: frunk on Today at 02:30:08 PMTo be fair most of us are at an age such that in a normal time we'd be more comfortable with being considered on the right.  Except the right in the US and many other places have gone nuts.  So even though we might think of ourselves as being "on the left" in any sane environment we'd be on the other side of the spectrum.

Maybe. I just think the economic results of the past several decades speak for themselves. We need a more equitable distribution of wealth...not an equal distribution of wealth but it gets ridiculous when certain individuals supposedly are worth more than the entire GDP of South Africa. I want a return to the New Deal/Great Society way of doing things, at least its mentality. Where we actually made serious attempts to fix social ills. That seems pretty radically leftist these days.

Yes, I agree that is the point.  It's not just that the right in the US has shifted so dramatically right, it is that the centre right politics of old are also inadequate and I am coming to the realization that they always were, we just didn't see it at the time.

edit: and by we I mean those of us who once identified as centre right :)
#34
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by Valmy - Today at 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: frunk on Today at 02:30:08 PMTo be fair most of us are at an age such that in a normal time we'd be more comfortable with being considered on the right.  Except the right in the US and many other places have gone nuts.  So even though we might think of ourselves as being "on the left" in any sane environment we'd be on the other side of the spectrum.

Maybe. I just think the economic results of the past several decades speak for themselves. We need a more equitable distribution of wealth...not an equal distribution of wealth but it gets ridiculous when certain individuals supposedly are worth more than the entire GDP of South Africa. I want a return to the New Deal/Great Society way of doing things, at least its mentality. Where we actually made serious attempts to fix social ills. That seems pretty radically leftist these days.
#35
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by frunk - Today at 02:30:08 PM
To be fair most of us are at an age such that in a normal time we'd be more comfortable with being considered on the right.  Except the right in the US and many other places have gone nuts.  So even though we might think of ourselves as being "on the left" in any sane environment we'd be on the other side of the spectrum.
#36
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on Today at 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 01:11:30 PM"Woke" is not being used by the right as a convenient referent to a defined group of people to make having meaningful discussions for more tractable. It's exactly the opposite: it's being used as a lazy pejorative label to avoid having a substantive discussion through name calling.  And it's another way to lump together vast swaths of people, from traditional liberals to Hamas-cheering campus radicals, from corporatist centrists like Hakeem Jeffries to left activists like Cornel West.

It's just like Trump and his ilk babbling about the RADical Left. It's a way to shut down all discussion and avoid actual thought, not promote it.
"Woke" is not only used by the right.  Yes, you can pretend that those not on the right who use the word were brainwashed by the right propaganda, but that mindless dismissive attitude is not going to promote discussion and actual thought either.

And you can pretend that the people, like you, who use woke as a slur are not on the right.
#37
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by grumbler - Today at 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: DGuller on Today at 08:01:10 AMNo, they don't want their beliefs said out loud by anyone, including themselves.  Expressing beliefs verbally can be very damaging to cognitive dissonance.

Yes, I can see from your posts that this is true.  Do you think that your strawman construction of "woke" increases or decreases your cognitive dissonance?
#38
Gaming HQ / Re: The Miscellaneous PC & vid...
Last post by Grey Fox - Today at 01:46:19 PM
Yeah, this fall is when I update from my 1660ti. I'll get a RX 9060 XT in the coming weeks.
#39
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis GOP?
Last post by DGuller - Today at 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 01:11:30 PM"Woke" is not being used by the right as a convenient referent to a defined group of people to make having meaningful discussions for more tractable. It's exactly the opposite: it's being used as a lazy pejorative label to avoid having a substantive discussion through name calling.  And it's another way to lump together vast swaths of people, from traditional liberals to Hamas-cheering campus radicals, from corporatist centrists like Hakeem Jeffries to left activists like Cornel West.

It's just like Trump and his ilk babbling about the RADical Left. It's a way to shut down all discussion and avoid actual thought, not promote it.
"Woke" is not only used by the right.  Yes, you can pretend that those not on the right who use the word were brainwashed by the right propaganda, but that mindless dismissive attitude is not going to promote discussion and actual thought either.
#40
Gaming HQ / Re: The Miscellaneous PC & vid...
Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 01:16:42 PM
Graphics cards are like houses, the longer you wait, the more expensive they become  :D