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#31

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Admiral Yi - January 10, 2026, 06:48:17 PM

Does ICE even have to power to enforce that law? Assuming it's even obstruction which I'm not sure it is since from the video theres plenty of space for through traffic so not sure that they're obstructing.

The lady was stationary in the traffic lane in front of their vehicles. I can't think of a reasonable explanation for the position of her vehicle other than trying to block their movement.  Obviously her car did not break down.  The oncoming lane appears empty, so perhaps at the lady's hypothetical trial the judge or jury  would have found her not guilty of obstruction.  I don't know.

#32

Off the Record / Re: What are you listening to?

Last post by Savonarola - January 10, 2026, 06:35:36 PM

Creation - Pure Electric Soul (1977)

There's been a couple bands called "Creation".  This one is a Japanese band which sings blues-rock songs in English.  They are talented, and did once release an album with Felix Pappalardi (lead singer of Mountain), but, in anything that I've heard by them, I don't think they had a hit that could have cracked the American market. The music is mostly recognizable as Anglo-American blues-rock, (some of their idioms don't quite sound right, so you can sort of tell it was written by a non-native singer), but, since they're a Japanese band they're going to have to have something that's beyond western understanding.  In their case this album cover features a number of naked young boys on a bus and their self titled debut album has a number of naked young boys peeing.  (I'm not linking that, you can look it up for yourself if you don't believe me.)

#33

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by grumbler - January 10, 2026, 06:27:13 PM

Does ICE even have to power to enforce that law? Assuming it's even obstruction which I'm not sure it is since from the video theres plenty of space for through traffic so not sure that they're obstructing.

ICE has no law enforcement authority over US citizens unless they are actively impeding ICE agents (in which case they can be detained and turned over to local authorities).

#34

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by grumbler - January 10, 2026, 06:24:34 PM

How would removing the driver unblock their vehicles? It's nonsensical.

It's nonsensical if you think obstruction should not be illegal (it's a misdemeanor) or if you think there should  be no             consequences for breaking that law.

If you think that she is obstructing something when we clearly see her wave a car past her (and it easily clears her vehicle) and then wave the ICE vehicles through, I can only note that I prefer to believe my lying eyes.

If one of the shots the ICE agent fired when he was two feet clear of the car shooting through the open driver's side window was the fatal shot, was the driver still "obstructing" anything but his bullets?

Was the doctor on the scene who tried to come to her aid after the crash, but was told to "back the fuck off" even after identifying himself also "obstructing" and should he also have been shot in the head?

#35

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by HVC - January 10, 2026, 06:17:39 PM

Actually, on the note, is it the law that you have to move aside for cop cars? It's my (perhaps mistaken) belief that it's not the case here in Ontario. More of a courtesy/custom than a law. Is it the same in the states? If not then it's at most a traffic violation* which again does ICE have the power to enforce.

*although not really because as I said above theres maneuvering space around her.

*edit* looked it up, I'm wrong. It's the law that you"if safe to do so" which, if there's a bunch of people around with guns I'm not sure how safe it is.

#36

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by HVC - January 10, 2026, 06:14:44 PM

Does ICE even have to power to enforce that law? Assuming it's even obstruction which I'm not sure it is since from the video theres plenty of space for through traffic so not sure that they're obstructing.

#37

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Admiral Yi - January 10, 2026, 06:10:05 PM

How would removing the driver unblock their vehicles? It's nonsensical.

It's nonsensical if you think obstruction should not be illegal (it's a misdemeanor) or if you think there should  be no             consequences for breaking that law.

#38

Off the Record / Re: Trump's Venezuela Vendetta

Last post by Sheilbh - January 10, 2026, 05:46:29 PM

Again via Blas at the White House meeting on Venezuelan oil Trump basically told Conoco to forget about the $12 billion the company is owned by Venezuela ("welll....good write off").

Today Trump's issued an executive ord to shield Venezuelan oil revnue in the US from creditors.

It is all interesting.

#39

Off the Record / Re: Youtube Recommendations

Last post by HVC - January 10, 2026, 05:22:30 PM

Turns out Ezekiel pimped out gods ride.

#40

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Zoupa - January 10, 2026, 04:58:27 PM

Why are they asking her to get out of the car to begin with? Wasn't she turning the car around to leave?

Because she was obstructing official business.  She was blocking their vehicles.

How would removing the driver unblock their vehicles? It's nonsensical.