Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:33:22 PMQuote from: frunk on Today at 02:30:08 PMTo be fair most of us are at an age such that in a normal time we'd be more comfortable with being considered on the right. Except the right in the US and many other places have gone nuts. So even though we might think of ourselves as being "on the left" in any sane environment we'd be on the other side of the spectrum.
Maybe. I just think the economic results of the past several decades speak for themselves. We need a more equitable distribution of wealth...not an equal distribution of wealth but it gets ridiculous when certain individuals supposedly are worth more than the entire GDP of South Africa. I want a return to the New Deal/Great Society way of doing things, at least its mentality. Where we actually made serious attempts to fix social ills. That seems pretty radically leftist these days.
Quote from: frunk on Today at 02:30:08 PMTo be fair most of us are at an age such that in a normal time we'd be more comfortable with being considered on the right. Except the right in the US and many other places have gone nuts. So even though we might think of ourselves as being "on the left" in any sane environment we'd be on the other side of the spectrum.
Quote from: DGuller on Today at 01:18:19 PMQuote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 01:11:30 PM"Woke" is not being used by the right as a convenient referent to a defined group of people to make having meaningful discussions for more tractable. It's exactly the opposite: it's being used as a lazy pejorative label to avoid having a substantive discussion through name calling. And it's another way to lump together vast swaths of people, from traditional liberals to Hamas-cheering campus radicals, from corporatist centrists like Hakeem Jeffries to left activists like Cornel West."Woke" is not only used by the right. Yes, you can pretend that those not on the right who use the word were brainwashed by the right propaganda, but that mindless dismissive attitude is not going to promote discussion and actual thought either.
It's just like Trump and his ilk babbling about the RADical Left. It's a way to shut down all discussion and avoid actual thought, not promote it.
Quote from: DGuller on Today at 08:01:10 AMNo, they don't want their beliefs said out loud by anyone, including themselves. Expressing beliefs verbally can be very damaging to cognitive dissonance.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 01:11:30 PM"Woke" is not being used by the right as a convenient referent to a defined group of people to make having meaningful discussions for more tractable. It's exactly the opposite: it's being used as a lazy pejorative label to avoid having a substantive discussion through name calling. And it's another way to lump together vast swaths of people, from traditional liberals to Hamas-cheering campus radicals, from corporatist centrists like Hakeem Jeffries to left activists like Cornel West."Woke" is not only used by the right. Yes, you can pretend that those not on the right who use the word were brainwashed by the right propaganda, but that mindless dismissive attitude is not going to promote discussion and actual thought either.
It's just like Trump and his ilk babbling about the RADical Left. It's a way to shut down all discussion and avoid actual thought, not promote it.
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