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Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...

Last post by Razgovory - Today at 11:12:04 AM

You're the one from the country with government thugs executing people in the street.

It's a bit rich to castigate other people for what you imagine they'd do one day, when your people is actually doing it right now.

Then perhaps you should heed what I say  since I know what fascists look like, and what they talk about.

#2

Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...

Last post by viper37 - Today at 11:07:22 AM

Québec, like Canada, has its fascists. I'm sure some of them would be willing to collaborate with Americans.

Obviously.  There are collaborators everywhere, in every country.  Even non fascists would join the invaders to save their skin or to gain from the situation.

#3

Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...

Last post by viper37 - Today at 11:06:05 AM

An Canada occupied by the US with Quebec independent would certainly put in the hands in of people like Grey Fox or Viper or Zoupa.  Those people might find that holding the whip suits them quite well.  Who would they then use it on?

Your government wouldn't even let me enter your country because I have criticized your President.

In the past, I could cross the border on foot, buy a pack of gum, walk back to our side of the border.  Now, our people get arrested for walking, driving or sailing near the border.

I'm more likely to end up in a camp awaiting extermination or death by winter.  This was the fate of many Ukrainian partisans seeking independence of USSR when the Nazis invaded.  Some were freed to fight the USSR once the Germans began retreating.

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Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...

Last post by viper37 - Today at 10:53:10 AM

You're the one from the country with government thugs executing people in the street.

It's a bit rich to castigate other people for what you imagine they'd do one day, when your people is actually doing it right now.

Raz thinks he's exempt from repression because he stays home.  He forgot about ICE memo where they can enter homes and any other refuges at will:

Wherever you are, whomever you are, they will come for you and they will kill you.

Renee Good's parents were Republicans who voted Trump.  What do you think they'll do to someone no registered as Republican once they finally get their hands on voting record to see voters affiliation?  No one is safe.

#5

Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...

Last post by viper37 - Today at 10:50:40 AM

Maybe Raz has forgotten about how kids in Louisiana were beaten for using French in school for decades until we beat the French out of them.

Not all of them got the word about being dead.  
Surrounded by imperial camps,  one small village of indomitable still holds out against the invaders.

Seriously, this guy has started some GoFundMe, and used his money, from his business (typical of Louisiana, seems lie he's hunting gators  and fishing for shrimps), on top of singing trad music to fund French education locally.  He hired a few French teachers to help revive French language around his area, teaching kids their ancestral language.  There are other initiatives like that in the more Cajun areas of Louisiana. 

I find it admirable to see a window into our future like that.

#6

Off the Record / Re: ICE misconduct megathread ...

Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 10:14:48 AM

For what its worth, Tamas, I fully agree with you. Without modern camera phones and social media to share said video footage, the FBI/ICE/DHS would have had a monopoly on the "truth" and the legacy media would have just accepted their version and aired/published/reported on it. Probably word for word like they do with most police and government statements. Passive voice and all.

We had citizens taking photographs and videos of police wrongdoing long before the internet.  We also had something called investigative journalism and news media (both print and tv) who saw their role of holding government to account as being important.



The notion that we didn't have a way of keeping government accountable before social media is frankly absurd.

The combination of those to things

#7

Off the Record / Re: The China Thread

Last post by Jacob - Today at 10:14:02 AM

More purges?

#8

Off the Record / Re: ICE misconduct megathread ...

Last post by Tamas - Today at 09:34:02 AM

Yeah, it's a very precarious position. Be passive and they can implement their fascist rule and they can coerce people not to go and vote. Resist too much and you give them the excuse to do so even more brazenly, at which point there's no turning back without a, well, a revolution, really.

Like we have been discussing, I think pro-democracy forces need to walk this careful balance until the mid-terms. But if the mid-terms fail to produce a Republican collapse, something more radical will be needed.

#9

Off the Record / Re: ICE misconduct megathread ...

Last post by grumbler - Today at 09:04:23 AM

So, Americans, what's your take gun-culture wise, how are the protestors with a gun permit likely to respond to this? Will they be more likely to leave their guns home in the hope that will increase their chances of walking away without being summarily executed for standing somewhere, or the opposite - seeing how they can get killed even if they are having their hands high up in the air, will they be more likely to brandish their gun and open fire if ICE approaches them?

That is THE question, IMO. The Trump regime is clearly trying to provoke a violent response in order to have an excuse to implement some sort of martial law. This would, they hope, create some sort of "rally 'round the flag" effect among their supporters and justify criminalizing even peaceful protest.

ICE is building a database of "domestic terrorists" using facial recognition of the protestors filmed by ICE/CPB agents.  What do you think the odds are that this database will be used in the midterm elections at critical voting places to arrest the "domestic terrorists" standing in line to vote?

#10

Off the Record / Re: Go Persians, go!

Last post by Razgovory - Today at 09:00:14 AM

I'm seeing stuff saying 30k+  https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/