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#1

Off the Record / Re: Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Cov...

Last post by garbon - Today at 05:45:36 AM

I think I need to start privately paying for the vaccine boosters. Once again I feel I have fallen prey to this illness thanks to my lovely husband.

[Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning. Pasteurization eliminates that risk.]

#2

Off the Record / Re: Bobby Kennedy Junior

Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - Today at 05:28:30 AM

You can buy raw milk in lots of European countries.

It's nothing to do with safety - it's industrial capture of regulators in America and MacDonaldisation and mass production of food is not "safer".

Oh my, so much misinformation, so little time to correct it.

Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning.  Pasteurization eliminates that risk. If a source of raw milk can be found where there is a high degree of confidence that the practices used to obtain, store and ship the milk has a low chance of being contaminated with salmonella, E. coli and listeria then of course the risk is reduced.

But have you ever actually been to a diary farm?  You do realize there is shit every where right? You would need to have a very high degree confidence the diary farmer has taken all necessary precautions.

Cheese from raw milk is a different matter - the risk there is much lower.

This was the public safety lesson learnt in the the early 20th century, I don't know why people think in the 21st century that a different one can be an outcome?

Because truth is dead, knowledge is suspect and we now have a tradition of idiots trying the same thing over and over and over in the hope results will be different this time round

#3

Off the Record / Re: US - Greenland Crisis Thre...

Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - Today at 04:58:06 AM

Man of the people here.

Of the people? Or hunting the people?

#4

Off the Record / Re: Climate Change/Mass Extinc...

Last post by Norgy - Today at 03:04:51 AM

This has been the case for Norway as well. When it rains, it pours. Our infrastructure has been found wanting and we are woefully ill prepared for the weather changing. As some probably know, Norway is sort of... hilly and with mountains. Large quantities of water from above tend to release whatever light stones and soil in huge mudslides. This is bad. As people live below hills. And mudslides are bad for houses. And that resale value.

#5

Off the Record / Re: Bobby Kennedy Junior

Last post by Norgy - Today at 02:49:35 AM

Pasteurisation was probably the fundamental change that made dairy products more available even for kids in the city.

Milk from the cow, if you had one, had a shelf life of one to two days before pasteurisation.

The MAHA crowd seems to reject any idea of eating vegetables and firmly grasps "proteins" as what will make you ripped and healthy. Joe Rogan is one such person.

I think the health secretary may have confused raw milk with whole milk. But that is just a theory.
Most Europeans, I believe, look at the lax regulation of American food industries and nod at how the EU has banned this and that additive (even though allowing huge amounts of antibiotics in animal feed).

The fact of the matter that across continents, people eat a lot of affordable crap instead of healthy, and somewhat unaffordable foods. A good cut of a farmed salmon is around 30 to 38 Euro per kilo in Norway. And we produce this shit. A frozen ultra-processed pizza is 4 Euro. For 700 grams or so of flour, "cheese" and "ham" and some red stuff claiming to be tomato.

The label "ultra-processed" is somewhat problematic as well, as it applies to both Doritos and the method of making liver paste and some traditional sausages.

#6

Gaming HQ / Re: The Miscellaneous PC & vid...

Last post by Tonitrus - Today at 02:40:12 AM

I imagine it is also a bit like watching a movie you loved as a kid.  You may still some nostalgic feels...but you also now realize/see all the holes and flaws.  And some "rerun" fatigue.

#7

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Razgovory - Today at 02:25:57 AM

Come now, I think CC can explain this himself.

#8

Off the Record / Re: US - Greenland Crisis Thre...

Last post by Solmyr - Today at 01:37:18 AM

Man of the people here.

#9

Gaming HQ / Re: The Miscellaneous PC & vid...

Last post by Solmyr - Today at 01:34:19 AM

I got the newish reskin of Master of Magic, as I've been lpaying the original a lot. Not sure I like it.

Nostalgia is strong with that game, but there's been a lot of QoL development in Civ-like games in 30 years.

[Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning. Pasteurization eliminates that risk.]

#10

Off the Record / Re: Bobby Kennedy Junior

Last post by crazy canuck - February 19, 2026, 11:31:37 PM

You can buy raw milk in lots of European countries.

It's nothing to do with safety - it's industrial capture of regulators in America and MacDonaldisation and mass production of food is not "safer".

Oh my, so much misinformation, so little time to correct it.

Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning.  Pasteurization eliminates that risk. If a source of raw milk can be found where there is a high degree of confidence that the practices used to obtain, store and ship the milk has a low chance of being contaminated with salmonella, E. coli and listeria then of course the risk is reduced.

But have you ever actually been to a diary farm?  You do realize there is shit every where right? You would need to have a very high degree confidence the diary farmer has taken all necessary precautions.

Cheese from raw milk is a different matter - the risk there is much lower.

This was the public safety lesson learnt in the the early 20th century, I don't know why people think in the 21st century that a different one can be an outcome?

My pet theory is that a lot of people's knowledge extends only as far back as an Internet search will reach.