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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...
Last post by Savonarola - Today at 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2025, 02:52:44 PMIronically it is a nationalist myth intended to create unity. The marketing ploy has become a culture war hot spot. But still all the people upset about it due to the genocide thing are mistaken. If you read the proclamations by Lincoln and later FDR which established Thanksgiving for real nowhere are pilgrims or native Americans ever mentioned.

And (at least according to the Florida Historical Society) the first Thanksgiving in the present day United States was held in St. Augustine, about 70 years before the Pilgrims arrived.  It's too bad that didn't catch on as the national myth, we could be having holiday manatee rather than turkey.

Edit, reading up a bit more on the subject, it looks like the association of Thanksgiving with the Pilgrims and Indians was actually intended to be divisive.  The association began during the waves of immigration at the end of the 19th century and the US government issued stamps and coins featuring Pilgrims in the early 1920s at the a height of anti-immigrant hysteria and the rise of the Klan.  There's very little information about the settlers of Plymouth Colony and the Wampanoag confederacy sharing a Thanksgiving meal (it comes from a single letter, and Linus's speech in "A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" pretty much tells it all).
#3
Off the Record / Re: What are you listening to?
Last post by mongers - Today at 07:20:50 AM
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QuoteBruford 'Feels Good to Me' - for an album by a drummer is doesn't suffers from the usual pitfall of concentrating on the drums.

Instead he crafted a band of real talent, Holdsworth on guitar, Dave Steward on keyboards, excellent bassist whose name escapes me and some cool vocal from that Moog pioneer Annette thingy (apols, but my addled brain can only recall Annette Benning at the moment.)


I should listen to that.

Yes, I think it's the most mainstream of his early albums, less prog more fusion.
IIRC echoes of Brand X.

Of course this was before his Earthworks band and the move to jazz-like material.
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Off the Record / Re: What are you listening to?
Last post by Josephus - Today at 06:56:17 AM
Quote from: mongers on November 28, 2025, 07:24:18 PMBruford 'Feels Good to Me' - for an album by a drummer is doesn't suffers from the usual pitfall of concentrating on the drums.

Instead he crafted a band of real talent, Holdsworth on guitar, Dave Steward on keyboards, excellent bassist whose name escapes me and some cool vocal from that Moog pioneer Annette thingy (apols, but my addled brain can only recall Annette Benning at the moment.)


I should listen to that.
#5
Off the Record / Re: TV/Movies Megathread
Last post by Josephus - Today at 06:55:39 AM
I just binged Task; one of the best and most intense shows I've seen in a while.
HBO is kinda making a comeback in my opinion. Task and The Pitt were among the best shows I've seen in years.
#6
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by HVC - Today at 03:41:32 AM
Simple. Once Venezuela is cleansed by American fire it'll be safe and secure thus the refugees can be forcibly removed from American soil.
#7
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Syt - Today at 03:31:30 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 29, 2025, 04:07:52 PMAlso seems that if Venezuela is under the boot of evil gangs of narco-terrorists that are so horrific that must all be killed, then all the Venezuelan migrants in the US should have pretty solid asylum cases.

No no no. Clearly, they've been sent to infiltrate the USA. "Real" refugees are prevented from leaving by Maduro. :rolleyes:
#8
Off the Record / Re: TV/Movies Megathread
Last post by Syt - Today at 03:29:17 AM
There's also Judi Dench, of course.

#9
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by celedhring - Today at 03:21:43 AM
I'm calling the play where he reaches some self-serving deal with Maduro and then adds this to the "wars I have stopped" resume for the Nobel Prize.
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Off the Record / Re: TV/Movies Megathread
Last post by celedhring - Today at 03:17:09 AM
My favorite "discovering that old dame of the screen was smokin' when young" moment was watching Charlotte Rampling in Zardoz for the first time.