Quote from: mongers on January 16, 2026, 07:49:28 PMQuote from: grumbler on January 16, 2026, 07:38:50 PMQuote from: Oexmelin on January 16, 2026, 03:51:49 PMFour in ten Americans (41%) favor "stripping U.S. citizens of their citizenship and deporting them if they are determined to be a threat to the country."
How can anyone not read this and despair of ever restoring normalcy in the US? I'd worry if the percentage were 4%.
If such a law were ever passed, I'd hope they at least have the courage to name it "Nuremburg Laws 2nd Edition"
To be fair to Americans, I think in any population there will be a section that don't care about laws and rights for other people, favouring 'natural justice' instead.
I reckon at least 25% of the UK populations would have answered that poll in a similar way.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 16, 2026, 06:49:48 PMQuote from: Zoupa on January 16, 2026, 03:23:30 AMWhat do you mean by "what's going on now" that you disapprove of and don't respect? I'm not aware of any counteractions to the ICE stuff.
I disrespect the name calling. I disrespect the rock throwing. I disrespect the failure to obey lawful law enforcement commands. I disrespect the demonization of ICE.
Quote from: viper37 on January 16, 2026, 06:00:05 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on January 16, 2026, 01:28:34 PMAnd unfortunately the Chief of Police in Ottawa chose the do nothing optionMy question is more what can be done when the Chief of Police refuses to move?
Should it be up to the city council to demote him and replace him with an emergency session? This applies not only for this situation, but any future disruptive protest.
You can be sure unions are taking notes for their next strikes right now. The next time they have a complaint against any government, for whatever reason, they'll feel free to engage in any disruptive action without fear of retaliation, send goons to disrupt the peace knowing any police action will be slapped down by the courts.
Any protest group willing to stage a violent protest will now be emboldened to take action too. I fear there is no end in sight.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 16, 2026, 08:50:19 PMYou might not have seen it as I posted it in the other thread, but WSJ investigation has found 13 similar killings by ICE since July:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-show-how-ice-vehicle-stops-can-escalate-to-shootings-caf17601?st=pCHtaR
Although I don't think the moral character of any individual matters here. As we've discussed I think they're institutionally lawless: masked, ID-less, shooting people at traffic stops, disappearing people. It's paramilitary shit.
I'd add the polling on this is interesting. This incident has really cut through and the polls for the first time show more support for abolishing than supporting ICE. I think in part because it's a clarifying incident rather than a surprising one.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 16, 2026, 08:41:38 PMSure why not? One ICE agent shot one person. Before it happened you were sure every member of ICE was an asshole. Now you are sure every member of ICE is an asshole.You might not have seen it as I posted it in the other thread, but WSJ investigation has found 13 similar killings by ICE since July:
Quote from: Oexmelin on January 16, 2026, 06:52:43 PMThe demonization of ICE? At this precise moment?
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