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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 08:34:15 AM

I saw headline that Iran's president has now apologized to the gulf states

Basically Iran is saying we're sorry for having to attack Americans in your country.  Maybe it would be a good idea to get rid of them and dismantle their military bases so we no longer have to attack you.

A commander of Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps said there was "nothing new" in the comments from President Masoud Pezeshkian that Iran would not attack neighboring countries unless an attack on Iran originated from those nations, according to the semi-official Iranian news agency Tasnim. Hamidreza Moghadamfar, the commander, added that Iran's attacks have been directed at U.S. positions and interests in the region and that the countries themselves have not been targeted.

Trump, of course has claimed that the message means that Iran has surrendered to its neighbours.

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by crazy canuck - Today at 08:26:00 AM

who was going to counter attack the sub off the coast of Sri Lanka?

Presumably any other Iranian ship or aircraft.  It's pretty paper thin, but it's enough. 

No, it's not enough. There were no other Iranian ships or aircraft anywhere near that area. The United States Navy knew that.

This is in no way analogies to what happened during the Falkland war.

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by garbon - Today at 08:09:45 AM

I saw headline that Iran's president has now apologized to the gulf states

#4

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Syt - Today at 07:17:33 AM

Has JD Vance commented on the war yet? I don't seem to recall having seen anything from him, but maybe I missed it.

I also tremble with anticipation.

Maybe trying to wash himself off this nonsense in the hopes that Trump stumbles over it and he can step up?

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Tamas - Today at 07:16:36 AM

War is decidedly not going well for the US. Third carrier en route, Hormuz is completely shut down for tankers, Bloomberg says at least 1, possibly 5 THAAD systems have been knocked out by Iranian medium-range missiles. The russians and the Chinese must salivating at the thought of putting the US into a sort of reverse Ukraine situation.

Trump can't declare victory and go home if the Iranians don't agree to reopen Hormuz. 

I am starting to worry that electing a bunch of incompetent morons whose CVs top at being reality TV stars to lead a country is a bad idea.

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Threviel - Today at 07:13:21 AM

Something that I think may rise to being criminal are reports that after we sunk Iran's ship that was leaving India, we made no effort to save the surviving sailors. My understanding is we are signatory to the 1949 convention that requires us to at least attempt to render aid in such circumstances (and while I think there are some exceptions, I don't believe any apply to that situation.)

There's an exemption for ship safety.  A submarine in wartime being so vulnerable to counterattack is typically the argument used.  Like when the British sank Belgrano in the Falklands. 

Belgrano was a part of a task group, there were other Argentinian ships around. Best exemplified by the fact that those Argentinian ships rescued survivors IIRC. Surfacing with a submarine next to two enemy destroyers is kind of stupid.

There were no other armed Iranian ships in the neighbourhood and that was known by the USN. Sure, it's not a war crime to not rescue survivors, there are excuses. But it is extremely disgraceful and a huge blemish on the USN. They behave like Russians.

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Legbiter - Today at 07:05:51 AM

War is decidedly not going well for the US. Third carrier en route, Hormuz is completely shut down for tankers, Bloomberg says at least 1, possibly 5 THAAD systems have been knocked out by Iranian medium-range missiles. The russians and the Chinese must salivating at the thought of putting the US into a sort of reverse Ukraine situation.

Trump can't declare victory and go home if the Iranians don't agree to reopen Hormuz. 

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Off the Record / Re: TV/Movies Megathread

Last post by mongers - Today at 07:05:38 AM

'Megalopolis' - obviously I didn't bring sufficient brainpower to this movie.

#9

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Tamas - Today at 07:03:01 AM

Has JD Vance commented on the war yet? I don't seem to recall having seen anything from him, but maybe I missed it.

I also tremble with anticipation.

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Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Syt - Today at 06:34:33 AM

Has JD Vance commented on the war yet? I don't seem to recall having seen anything from him, but maybe I missed it.