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#1

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Threviel - Today at 08:19:11 AM

Of course, there's a venn which has a overlap, but its not at all the near circle that black people who think white folk saying the N word is wrong is.

That Coltrane thing was quite obviously a parody of you and not at all serious.

I think you are right here, but the N-word is the most extreme example, or close to it. Far different with other examples.

#2

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Josquius - Today at 08:15:39 AM

My point was that anecdotal evidence is no evidence.

Except where it backs up your chosen side it seems.
The number of Jewish people criticising Israel is just on a completely different level to black, lgbt, whatever, folks aligning themselves with the culture warriors kicking their group.

Most of these issues where there's a discussion about whether something is offensive or a hate crime or whatever needs context. Not everyone that criticizes Israel is an anti-semite and criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic in and off itself. But, oh boy, there's a gigantic amount of anti-semitism that hides behind this mantra.

Of course, there's a venn which has a overlap, but its not at all the near circle that black people who think white folk saying the N word is wrong is.

#3

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Threviel - Today at 08:12:19 AM

My point was that anecdotal evidence is no evidence.

Most of these issues where there's a discussion about whether something is offensive or a hate crime or whatever needs context. Not everyone that criticizes Israel is an anti-semite and criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic in and off itself. But, oh boy, there's a gigantic amount of anti-semitism that hides behind this mantra.

#4

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Josquius - Today at 08:07:14 AM

Yeah, so what are the conspiracy dog-whistles here.  I must have missed them.

"Look at this poor baby kidnapped by those villainous Gazans. They deserve everything coming their way. If you speak up in defence of Palestinians then you want this baby to be raped!" (very skilful typesetting the way they subtly put that word in a key position there) "Only by supporting Israel whatever they do can we bring the hostages home!"

One editor is not the spokesperson for all Jews.

You have no trouble believing this with these people saying anti zionism and anti semitism are not the same yet where you get people saying they are the same you have no trouble taking them as the spokesperson for all Jews?

https://people.com/movies/harry-potter-actor-robbie-coltrane-defends-j-k-rowlings-comments-about-trans-people/

Apparently Robbie Coltrane does not find J K Rowling offensive, by Jos logic that proves that she's not offensive because some celebrity said so. Someone with more time could probably dig up some trans person defending her so we can conclusively prove she's not offensive.

Robbie Coltrane was trans? When did that happen?
No offense to them but...they didn't pass.

#5

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Razgovory - Today at 07:56:16 AM

Poster in question

Yes. It is typical of the appeal to the heart "how could anyone possibly disagree with this?" tactics the far right like to use.
You need to think critically here about its purpose.
(incidentally, irrelevant to the point but the Israelis killed this baby, along with many others)

Yeah, so what are the conspiracy dog-whistles here.  I must have missed them.

#6

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Threviel - Today at 07:55:37 AM

https://people.com/movies/harry-potter-actor-robbie-coltrane-defends-j-k-rowlings-comments-about-trans-people/

Apparently Robbie Coltrane does not find J K Rowling offensive, by Jos logic that proves that she's not offensive because some celebrity said so. Someone with more time could probably dig up some trans person defending her so we can conclusively prove she's not offensive.

#7

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Threviel - Today at 07:44:02 AM

One editor is not the spokesperson for all Jews.

#8

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Josquius - Today at 07:40:10 AM

Dude.

Dude?

That's an opinion piece and a celebrity...

So they're only Jewish people when they're banging the Israel uber alles drum?

As I said, it's trivially easy to find opinion pieces and celebrities on all sides of the examples above. It gives no weight what so ever to your argument, rather the opposite.

Really? It proves anti zionism and anti semitism are the same thing when you have the editor of a prominent long running Jewish magazine, the Auschwitz Memorial, the Jewish Voice for Peace (containing many prominent American Jews on its board) defending the stance that they aren't?

As said, why don't we let Jewish people decide what is offensive for them?

#9

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Threviel - Today at 07:35:43 AM

That's an opinion piece and a celebrity...

So they're only Jewish people when they're banging the Israel uber alles drum?

As I said, it's trivially easy to find opinion pieces and celebrities on all sides of the examples above. It gives no weight what so ever to your argument, rather the opposite.

#10

Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023

Last post by Tamas - Today at 07:27:25 AM

Yes. It is typical of the appeal to the heart "how could anyone possibly disagree with this?" tactics the far right like to use.
You need to think critically here about its purpose.
(incidentally, irrelevant to the point but the Israelis killed this baby, along with many others)

 

Dude.