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#1

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by The Brain - Today at 05:05:07 AM

If the Jewish guy wasn't holding such a sign then your comment makes no sense. Did he hold such a sign or didn't he?

Don't play Raz.

OK then. Forget the sign. The black guy (lets assume he's 100% non-Jewish in any way) is wearing a kippah. 
Do you think he wouldn't be stopped?

Their problem with the guy was that he was 'openly Jewish', not the color of his skin. If a non-Jew dressed up as a Jew the police stopping him for being 'openly Jewish' or not would I think be decided by how convincingly it was done. I don't think they would tell a guy with a kippah who they don't think is actually Jewish that he was 'openly Jewish', they may in that case think instead that it's some kind of "blackface" situation, which may or may not make them stop him for that. My guess is that the police would be less likely to consider Jewish a guy who looks say East Asian or Black, nevermind that Jews come in all colors.

#2

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:48:23 AM

If the Jewish guy wasn't holding such a sign then your comment makes no sense. Did he hold such a sign or didn't he?

Don't play Raz.

OK then. Forget the sign. The black guy (lets assume he's 100% non-Jewish in any way) is wearing a kippah. 
Do you think he wouldn't be stopped?

#3

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:46:59 AM

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?

You're insinuating if a black guy had come along with a sign saying "Support Israel! Destroy Hamas!" the police wouldn't have stopped him too?

I didn't see anything about such a sign in the article. Source?

What are you talking about?
There was no black guy with a sign. Its how we could test your hypothesis however.

If the Jewish guy wasn't holding such a sign then your comment makes no sense. Did he hold such a sign or didn't he?

#4

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:43:54 AM

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?

You're insinuating if a black guy had come along with a sign saying "Support Israel! Destroy Hamas!" the police wouldn't have stopped him too?

I didn't see anything about such a sign in the article. Source?

What are you talking about?
There was no black guy with a sign. Its how we could test your hypothesis however.

#5

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:43:26 AM

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?

You're insinuating if a black guy had come along with a sign saying "Support Israel! Destroy Hamas!" the police wouldn't have stopped him too?

I didn't see anything about such a sign in the article. Source?

#6

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:40:00 AM

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?

You're insinuating if a black guy had come along with a sign saying "Support Israel! Destroy Hamas!" the police wouldn't have stopped him too?

#7

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:37:31 AM

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?

#8

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:30:06 AM

It's the Met. The global gold standard of policing.

#9

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:28:12 AM

A few years ago there was that big anti-brexit march.
There would have been some Green voters amongst the marchers.
Does that mean it was a Pro-Green Party march?

It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.

#10

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Tamas - Today at 03:31:01 AM

The Guardian felt necessary to explain what appears to be the dubious political motivations behind the organisation doing the "you are too visibly Jewish with that kippa" thing at one of the so-called Pro-Palestinian marches:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/apr/26/who-is-the-caa-gideon-falter-met-police-openly-jewish-antisemitism-row

More importantly they felt that by giving more context via the longer-length video to the incident with the police officer, they shed a different light on it:

A longer version of the clip released later shows the officer explaining to Falter that his approach was informed by the knowledge he had already deliberately walked out into the middle of the march and was therefore "looking to try and antagonise this".

John Mann, the government's antisemitism tsar, said Falter had been "quite explicit" about his intentions at the protest. "There's no ambiguity in what he's doing," he told the BBC, saying he had been blocked by the CAA on the social media platform X and they were "not playing it straight".

Well, excuse me, sure he was trying to provoke a negative response to his Jewish identity but if he managed to do that, that would have revealed the true nature of the protest. If it was a "pro-Palestine" and not, in fact, an anti-Jewish march, then a Jewish man among the protesters -even without some protest sign making clear the side he is on- surely would had provoked no incident?

What has been revealed, as the bare minimum, is that the authorities considered that an anti-semitic march. Whether they were right or wrong they did not give that guy a chance to find out.