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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by celedhring on Today at 07:08:24 am »
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"I have articles saying it happened."

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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by garbon on Today at 06:58:09 am »
http://time.com/4710614/donald-trump-fbi-surveillance-house-intelligence-committee/

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Can President Trump Handle the Truth?

Generations of American children have learned the apocryphal tale of young George Washington, bravely admitting to his father that he chopped down the cherry tree. The story sprang from a culture that wanted even its fables to serve the ideal of truth. By that standard, the House Intelligence Committee hearing on March 20 should have been a massive humiliation for the President, who followed Washington 228 years later. It is rare for such hearings to be unclassified--and thus televised--but FBI Director James Comey found the largest possible audience for his rebuke of the sitting President.

He had given Donald Trump nearly three weeks to walk back his incendiary tweets accusing President Obama of "wire tapping" Trump Tower during the campaign. If such surveillance had been done through legal channels, the FBI would have known; if done illegally, it was a scandal of historic proportions and the FBI should be digging into it. Either way, Trump's accusation implicated the integrity of Comey's bureau, which is why the former prosecutor felt compelled to push back as the cameras rolled. "I have no information that supports those tweets," Comey said. "We have looked carefully inside the FBI. The Department of Justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same."

The statement was concise, direct and damning. The President of the United States had been marked as a fabulist by one of the top officials in government charged with finding the truth. And yet, for the man being called out, the rebuke was nothing of the sort.

"I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right," Trump told TIME two days later, in a 20-minute phone interview from the Oval Office. The testimony, in other words, had not fazed him at all. He was still convinced he would be proved right. "I have articles saying it happened."


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Before he got off the phone, I tried one more time to get Trump to answer a question about the risk to his reputation caused by false and ever changing utterances. Once again, he would not accept the premise. "Hey, look," he said. "I can't be doing so badly, because I'm President and you're not." As a factual matter, the last part of this statement is indisputably true. And with that, he graciously said goodbye and went back to running the affairs of the most powerful country in the world.
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Off the Record / Re: Whither Obamacare?
« Last post by garbon on Today at 06:54:56 am »
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325336-freedom-caucus-chair-optimistic-about-obamacare-repeal-deal

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Freedom Caucus, Trump reach 'agreement in principle' on healthcare

Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said Wednesday night he and President Trump have come to an “agreement in principle” on a plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare, just one day before a historic House vote on the bill.

“The president and I came to an agreement in principle,” Meadows said during an interview with Fox News’s Sean Hannity, adding that he was still ironing out a few final details with the White House.

“I think what we're trying to do now is make sure that our agreement is actually something that can be executed in a way that passes the Senate,” he added. “There's still work to be done, but I can tell you that the president is all engaged."

The round-the-clock negotiations between the White House, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and the ultraconservative Freedom Caucus have centered on adding to the bill a repeal of ObamaCare's “essential health benefits,” as well as other insurance regulations in Title I of the existing health law.

But those changes have now alienated some centrist Republicans, who huddled with Ryan and his leadership team for more than two hours Wednesday night to discuss the impact of moving the bill to the right.

After the meeting, one of the leaders of the centrist Tuesday Group, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), announced he was opposed to the legislation, warning that the bill would cause too many Americans to lose insurance coverage.

“I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans,” Dent said, “particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals.”


Meadows said President Trump has been the crucial factor in working toward a deal and even personally called him during a Freedom Caucus meeting Wednesday night.

The talks center on conservatives’ request to repeal ObamaCare’s “essential health benefits,” as well as other insurance regulations in Title I of the health law.

A GOP source said the White House has offered to include repeal of the essential health benefits in the bill.

“Our request has been consistent about Title I and essential health benefits and so that's really what we're discussing,” Meadows said earlier in the day as he left a meeting with Freedom Caucus colleagues.

“We're encouraged just based on the real willingness of not only the White House but our leadership to make this bill better,” he added, noting he hopes to work around the clock to hopefully have a final deal by around noon Thursday. 

Meadows has changed his comments markedly since earlier in the day Wednesday, when he pledged that leaders lacked the votes to pass the bill and called on them to “start over.”

Conservatives say repeal of the essential health benefits, which mandate what an insurance plan must cover, is necessary to bring down premiums. Republican leaders had been wary, though, given that it is in doubt whether repeal of those regulations would be allowed under Senate rules that are preventing a Democratic filibuster.

Sources said the House GOP has gotten new information that including repeal of the essential health benefits would not be fatal to the entire bill in the Senate, though the provision could still be challenged under Senate rules.   

But Democrats are warning that repeal of the essential health benefits will not be permitted.
 
"What the proponents aren’t telling conservative House Republicans is that the plan to repeal essential health benefits will almost certainly not be permissible under Senate reconciliation rules," said Matt House, a spokesman for Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). "It will require 60 votes to repeal these protections, and the votes just aren’t there in the Senate.”
Some Freedom Caucus members are more skeptical a deal can happen.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) indicated that the White House is only offering repeal of the essential health benefits, and not other insurance regulations that conservatives say must be repealed.

"We’ve said many times that essential health benefits by themselves would not be enough,” added Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.).

"There’s no deal in the offing,” Amash added. “We don’t have any language on anything. We’re not sure what kind of language we’ll see."

Earlier in the day Trump won over conservative Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) by pledging a Senate vote on an amendment to add repeal of essential health benefits.

But Meadows said that a promised Senate vote is not good enough, and changes must be made in the House.

“There is no denying why he has made so many deals,” Meadows said of Trump. “I thought I was a good dealmaker; I'm nothing compared to the president.”
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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by Grallon on Today at 06:51:31 am »
How long before Pence ousts this clown?  I hear he has the power to do so.



G.
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Huh, kind of torn on this one...
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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by frunk on Today at 06:32:56 am »
Plus,he was calling on the Russians to do it publicly during the election run, so it's not that surprising either.

There's a difference between a candidate publicly approving of an illegal act committed against a political opponent by a foreign power, and the candidate's campaign actively coordinating with the perpetrators of that illegal act.  The first is very dumb, the second is treasonous.
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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by HVC on Today at 06:28:02 am »
It's a bombshell announcement of what everyone has been talking about for four months.

Plus,he was calling on the Russians to do it publicly during the election run, so it's not that surprising either.
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Off the Record / Re: Minor Acts of Terror Megathread.
« Last post by Tyr on Today at 06:07:16 am »
It also shows gun laws work.
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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presidency look like?
« Last post by MadImmortalMan on Today at 05:58:41 am »
I feel like more gets released on this story every hour

Forget your feelings. Tell us what you think.
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Off the Record / Re: What are you listening to?
« Last post by garbon on Today at 05:10:35 am »
Florence + The Machine - You've Got The Love
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