Poll
Question:
Extend DST? Eliminate it? Keep it the same?
Option 1: Daylight saving time should be extended year round.
votes: 8
Option 2: Daylight saving time should be eliminated.
votes: 4
Option 3: Keep things the same as they are now.
votes: 2
Option 4: Other, please explain
votes: 1
Fuck standard time!
https://slate.com/technology/2019/03/in-defense-daylight-saving-time.html
QuoteDaylight Saving Time Is Not the Enemy
Do you hate losing an hour of sleep this weekend? Blame Standard Time.
By MARK JOSEPH STERN
MARCH 08, 20195:28 PM
If you're going to complain, get it right.
Twice a year, Americans come together to complain about time. In November, we set our clocks back and complain that we will now have to suffer shorter days, facing the gloom of an afternoon sunset. In March, we set our clocks forward and complain about a lost hour of sleep, as well as darker mornings when we wake up. These gripes are all perfectly fair. What is unjust, however, is the unlikely scapegoat for these grievances: Daylight Saving Time. Many Americans have come to blame DST for their clock- and sunset-based woes. If you are one of them, I am here to tell you that you are dangerously mistaken.
Let's begin with a review of terms that everyone should know but hardly anybody does. When we "spring forward" this weekend, we will be entering DST—the period between March and November when the sun sets later in the day. When we "fall back" in November, we will enter Standard Time—the period between November and March when the sun sets earlier.
Our collective failure to grasp this basic terminology has led to a lot of confusion. Every November, countless Americans condemn DST because they conflate it with Standard Time. They think that the dreaded winter months of early sunsets and seasonal affective disorder, or SAD, are the fault of DST. I understand why: It is not obvious why daylight is "saved" when it is backloaded toward the end of the day. The terms are ambiguous, which leads would-be critics of Standard Time to unleash their anguish on their true ally, DST.
To see how widespread this misapprehension is, look at coverage of California's Proposition 7, which easily passed in 2018. The Los Angeles Times described the measure as "ending daylight saving time"; CBS called it "the first step of abolishing" DST. That is incorrect, as these outlets would've known if they'd read the proposition, which is titled the Permanent Daylight Saving Time Measure. As that name indicates, the measure permits the state Legislature to implement year-round DST by a two-thirds vote after obtaining federal approval. The media's inability to articulate the proposition's purpose may have led to voter bewilderment, as illustrated in the CBS article, which features a California resident who asserts: "I don't like Daylight Saving Time. It disrupts me every fall." Given that DST begins in the spring, this Californian probably meant to assail Standard Time but inadvertently contributed to anti-DST fervor.
Standard Time amplifies the pain of winter by ushering in nighttime halfway through the afternoon.
I have no doubt that some Americans legitimately dislike DST—not just the change of clocks, but the redistribution of sunlight from morning to afternoon. The best defense of this position is that DST may require children to go to school in the dark. That is true, but the issue here isn't DST: It's America's outrageous school schedule. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared that most schools start too early, contributing to poor health in adolescents. Earlier school start times are linked to depression and anxiety in teenagers, as well as chronic sleep deprivation. Early start times also disadvantage young students, lowering their academic performance. It is absurd to blame DST on a problem created by the American school system. If more schools took the American Academy of Pediatrics' advice and refused to start class before 8:30 a.m., DST would pose no impediment to schoolchildren.
For the record, I am not a defender of our current system. It is irritating to reset clocks—especially those embedded in household appliances, whose cryptic instructions seem designed to thwart our puny human desire to know what time it is. And it may be perilous to lose an hour of sleep: Deadly car crashes, heart attacks, and workplace injuries all appear to increase after we "spring forward." But the solution is not to end DST; it is to extend DST year-round. (There may be other benefits, including reduced crime, though it doesn't seem to reduce energy usage.) California had the right idea by passing Proposition 7. So did many of the 73,781 people who signed this petition to end DST—but wrote comments demonstrating that they really want to abolish Standard Time. ("I own a child care, every year we have children crying because, 'it's getting dark and mommy or daddy have not picked me up yet.' " Blame Standard Time, kids!)
I'll admit that I am no impartial observer here. I suffer from SAD and spiral into fatigue and distress every winter unless I plant myself under a sunlamp and trick my brain into thinking we're back in Florida. (Incidentally, my home state has passed a bill to implement permanent DST pending federal approval, the only good piece of legislation to emerge from Tallahassee so far this century.) I feel pathetic crawling under the sunlamp just to feel like a normal human, and I blame Standard Time. Yes, winter will always be unpleasant for those of us who are not vampires. But Standard Time amplifies the pain by ushering in nighttime halfway through the afternoon. I can stomach D.C. sunsets around 6 p.m. for a few weeks. But total darkness at 4:49 p.m.? Kill me. I'd rather take my chances among Florida's sun-loving, gun-toting baby boomers.
I am convinced that a majority of America would be with me on the clock question if they could master the distinction between DST and Standard Time. Our inability to hold Standard Time responsible for the crime of early sunsets has polluted the conversation to the point that even Ellen DeGeneres has it twisted. This weekend, please direct your complaints at Standard Time, and don't fault DST for giving us eight months of sunshine. Embrace it. And when soul-crushing afternoon darkness returns in November, remember who the real enemies are: Standard Time and all the misguided fools who seek to expand its tyranny.
No
Pick a time and stick with it I say.
I have always thought that we should move the time between -1/0/+1 hour each month to show man's inhumanity to man. But that is just my artistic statement.
Quote from: PDH on March 08, 2019, 09:33:02 PM
I have always thought that we should move the time between -1/0/+1 hour each month to show man's inhumanity to man. But that is just my artistic statement.
Everybody rolls a d20 each day, change your personal clock by -10 to +10 minutes each day.
We should only go back one hour, and never go forward.
go forward, never look back!
Always twirling.
Idiots here want to switch all :frusty: year-long to GMT/UTC+2, so 2 hours ahead of the sun in average. Daylight Saving Time good for Berlin and Central Europe only.
Should UTC or UTC+1 (latter is the current standard time).
I'm for keeping DST all year round. But then again I'm a night owl and my mornings are miserable regardless of the amount of daylight.
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
That would be mean.
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
As in, just one time for the whole world, and localities just adjust to match local daylight hours?
Probably more confusing than it is worth.
I suggest we go back to letting railways setting the time. :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_time
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 09, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
As in, just one time for the whole world, and localities just adjust to match local daylight hours?
Probably more confusing than it is worth.
Probably. But it would help break the tyranny of 9-5.
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 09, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
As in, just one time for the whole world, and localities just adjust to match local daylight hours?
Probably more confusing than it is worth.
Probably. But it would help break the tyranny of 9-5.
9-5? I call that vacation.
Quote from: viper37 on March 09, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 09, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
As in, just one time for the whole world, and localities just adjust to match local daylight hours?
Probably more confusing than it is worth.
Probably. But it would help break the tyranny of 9-5.
9-5? I call that vacation.
10-4.
Quote from: Maladict on March 09, 2019, 07:44:34 AM
I'm for keeping DST all year round. But then again I'm a night owl and my mornings are miserable regardless of the amount of daylight.
Pretty much my position as well. I'd rather have extra daylight in the evening after getting off work than in the morning before going to work.
Quote from: dps on March 09, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 09, 2019, 07:44:34 AM
I'm for keeping DST all year round. But then again I'm a night owl and my mornings are miserable regardless of the amount of daylight.
Pretty much my position as well. I'd rather have extra daylight in the evening after getting off work than in the morning before going to work.
Why can't we have both?
GMT all the time and all the way. :bowler:
Quote from: The Brain on March 09, 2019, 01:37:20 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 09, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 09, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Why can't we all not just use GMT.
As in, just one time for the whole world, and localities just adjust to match local daylight hours?
Probably more confusing than it is worth.
Probably. But it would help break the tyranny of 9-5.
9-5? I call that vacation.
10-4.
:lol:
Quote from: mongers on March 09, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
GMT all the time and all the way. :bowler:
It would work, as it worked before, only for Western Europe. Besides the UK and Portugal (not including the Azores), this would mean Spain, France and Belgium back to the fold, as before 1940 (
l'heure allemande) or 1942 (Spain).
I really don't think the Brexit is going to help to switch back to GMT/UTC though. :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 09, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 09, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
GMT all the time and all the way. :bowler:
It would work, as it worked before, only for Western Europe. Besides the UK and Portugal (not including the Azores), this would mean Spain, France and Belgium back to the fold, as before 1940 (l'heure allemande) or 1942 (Spain).
I really don't think the Brexit is going to help to switch back to GMT/UTC though. :P
Indeed. :(
Hey, what's the deadline on that?
Quote from: Valmy on March 08, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
Pick a time and stick with it I say.
I emphatically agree! I know some legislators and others in Massachusetts and the North East have been talking about it but so far I don't know how much consensus on the issue has been made. The idea would be for all the New England states and possibly New York to make the move to remain on one time, given how interconnected and close these states are.
Quote from: The Brain on March 09, 2019, 01:09:52 AM
Always twirling.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Yes, we need daylight saving all the time. No one should care if the sun gets up at 9 am in the winter.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 11, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Yes, we need daylight saving all the time. No one should care if the sun gets up at 9 am in the winter.
I think the opposite. It is safer to have light during people's commutes. Standard time all the time would be better.
But hey, either way is alright. Just pick one.
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 11, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Yes, we need daylight saving all the time. No one should care if the sun gets up at 9 am in the winter.
I think the opposite. It is safer to have light during people's commutes. Standard time all the time would be better.
But hey, either way is alright. Just pick one.
Around here, it's dark in both commutes anyway. We would go from 50/50 Dark light to a 80/20 in the morning & about the same split at night.
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 11, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Yes, we need daylight saving all the time. No one should care if the sun gets up at 9 am in the winter.
I think the opposite. It is safer to have light during people's commutes. Standard time all the time would be better.
But hey, either way is alright. Just pick one.
Better to have light for the commute back when you're tired from work.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 13, 2019, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 11, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Yes, we need daylight saving all the time. No one should care if the sun gets up at 9 am in the winter.
I think the opposite. It is safer to have light during people's commutes. Standard time all the time would be better.
But hey, either way is alright. Just pick one.
Better to have light for the commute back when you're tired from work.
People aren't tired early in the morning?
I live right on the edge of the Eastern/Central time boundary. Therefore, around the summer solstice it's still daylight at 10 pm. I like that so I'm in favor of doing nothing to change that. But I do agree daylight savings time is lame.
Quote from: Caliga on March 13, 2019, 08:11:40 PM
I live right on the edge of the Eastern/Central time boundary. Therefore, around the summer solstice it's still daylight at 10 pm. I like that so I'm in favor of doing nothing to change that. But I do agree daylight savings time is lame.
I like that too, travelling home late in high summer, especially on a train is just nice with a 9.25pm sunset with few other passengers.
Quote from: mongers on March 13, 2019, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 13, 2019, 08:11:40 PM
I live right on the edge of the Eastern/Central time boundary. Therefore, around the summer solstice it's still daylight at 10 pm. I like that so I'm in favor of doing nothing to change that. But I do agree daylight savings time is lame.
I like that too, travelling home late in high summer, especially on a train is just nice with a 9.25pm sunset with few other passengers.
I miss Whitehorse summers, where the sun sets after 11pm, and the sky never truly gets dark, just a long extended twilight.