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Started by jimmy olsen, April 19, 2012, 12:40:21 AM

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jimmy olsen

Lots more information seems to have been leaked.

There are plenty of embedded links in this article, as well as some pics, a graph and a video so I'd suggest clicking the link and reading it there.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/planetary-resources-asteroid-mining/

QuoteTech Billionaires Plan Audacious Mission to Mine Asteroids

    By Adam Mann
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    April 23, 2012 |
    7:45 pm |
    Categories: Space

There's gold in them there hills. You know, those ones floating around in space. Asteroids contain many tons of precious metals, making them irresistible to scientists, aerospace engineers, futurists, fiction writers ... and tech billionaires.

A group of wealthy, adventurous entrepreneurs will announce on Apr. 24 a new venture called Planetary Resources, Inc., which plans to send swarms of robots to space to scout asteroids for precious metals and set up mines to bring resources back to Earth, in the process adding trillions of dollars to the global GDP, helping ensure humanity's prosperity and paving the way for the human settlement of space.

"The resources of Earth pale in comparison to the wealth of the solar system," said Eric Anderson, who founded the commercial space tourism company Space Adventures, and is co-founder of a new company along with Peter Diamandis, who started the X Prize foundation, which offers prize-based incentives for advanced technology development.

Nearly 9,000 asteroids larger than 150 feet in diameter orbit near the Earth. Some could contain as much platinum as is mined in an entire year on Earth, making them potentially worth several billion dollars each. The right kinds of investment could reap huge rewards for those willing to take the risk.

Outside of NASA, Anderson and Diamandis are among the most likely candidates to realize such a dream. Space Adventures has sent seven private tourists to the International Space Station while the Ansari X Prize led to a spurt of non-governmental manned spaceships.

"We have a long track record of making large-scale space ventures real," said Diamandis.

Despite the promise of astronomical profits, the long time-scales and uncertain return on asteroid mining has historically driven most investors away from such undertakings. But the new company is also backed by a number of other billionaire luminaries, including Google's CEO Larry Page and executive chairman Eric Schmidt, former Microsoft chief architect Charles Simonyi, and Ross Perot Jr. The venture also counts on filmmaker James Cameron, former astronaut Tom Jones, former JPL engineer Chris Lewicki, and planetary scientist Sara Seager as advisers.

Still, this new undertaking will be much larger and more ambitious than anything Anderson and Diamandis have attempted before. The hurdles are many and high. While the endeavor is technically feasible, the technology has not yet been developed. And beyond their initial steps, the details of Planetary Resources' plans remain scarce.

The first hurdle will likely be ensuring that Planetary Resources has covered all its legal bases. While some have argued that governments need to set up specific property rights before investors will make use of space, the majority of space lawyers agree that this isn't necessary to assure the opportunity for a return on investment, said space policy analyst Henry Hertzfeld at George Washington University in Washington D.C. Mining occurs in international seabeds — even without specific property rights — overseen by a special commission dedicated to the task, he said. A similar arrangement would likely work in space.

In terms of extraction, Planetary Resources hopes to go after the platinum-group metals — which include platinum, palladium, osmium, and iridium — highly valuable commodities used in medical devices, renewable energy products, catalytic converters, and potentially in automotive fuel cells.

Platinum alone is worth around $23,000 a pound — nearly the same as gold. Mining the top few feet of a single modestly sized, half-mile-diameter asteroid could yield around 130 tons of platinum, worth roughly $6 billion.

Within the next 18 to 24 months, Planetary Resources hopes to launch between two and five space-based telescopes at an estimated cost of a few million dollars each that will identify potentially valuable asteroids. Other than their size and orbit, little detailed information is available about the current catalog of near-Earth asteroids. Planetary Resources' Arkyd-101 Space Telescopes will figure out whether any are worth the trouble of resource extraction.

Within five to seven years, the company hopes to send out a small swarm of similar spacecraft for a more detailed prospecting mission, mapping out a valuable asteroid in detail and identifying rich resource veins. They estimate such a mission will cost between $25 and 30 million.

The next step — using robots to remotely mine, possibly refine ore, and return material to Earth safely — is probably the toughest phase, and Planetary Resources is still tight-lipped about its plans here.


This is an unprecedented challenge — the only asteroid material ever returned to Earth comes from the Japanese Space Agency's Hayabusa spacecraft, which successfully returned a few hundred dust particles from asteroid 25143 Itokawa in 2010.

One possibility might be to find a useful asteroid and push it closer to Earth. A fairly low-power solar-electric ion engine could nudge a hunk of rock into orbit around the Earth, effectively creating a small second moon that could be easily accessed.

A recent white paper (.pdf) written by a team of scientists and engineers for the Keck Institute for Space Studies looked at exactly this proposition in order to use an asteroid for scientific and manned exploration. The team concluded that the technology exists, though such a plan would need at least $2.6 billion in funding. If Planetary Resources went this route, it would rack up a large initial investment, which doesn't include actually mining and returning material back to Earth, potentially adding many hundreds more millions of dollars.

"It's one thing to understand the mining and refining processes and another thing to actually build it," said JPL engineer John Brophy, who co-authored the paper. "And everything in space tends to be harder than you think it will be."

Another option to simplify the process might be to bring the ore back to Earth for refining, though that presents its own set of challenges. Say for the sake of argument that you send a 5,500-pound robot (roughly the weight of a small car) to an asteroid and it can mine and carry back 100 times its own weight in asteroid material. On most asteroids, chopping up a one-ton chunk of regolith will generate less than an ounce of platinum. Even asteroids with the highest concentration of platinum yield only about two ounces of platinum per ton.

This means that with the current commodity prices, each of your robot miners will generate about $875,000, even on an asteroid with the highest platinum amounts. Given a mission cost that is at least hundreds of millions of dollars, it wouldn't be advantageous to refine ore on Earth.

There are also unknown financial aspects of a successful asteroid mining operation. The sudden influx of hundreds of tons of platinum into Earth's economy would certainly drive the commodity's price down. Looking at historical analogues, the enormous gold and silver reserves the Spanish inherited from their New World conquests led to terrible inflation and possibly the decline of their empire.

But Planetary Resources sees a platinum price drop as one of its potential goals.

"I would be overjoyed as a company if we brought back so much platinum that the price fell by a factor of 20 or 50," said Anderson.

Aluminum was incredibly expensive in the 1800s, before new technology allowed it to be easily separated from its ore, said Diamandis. Today, aluminum is used in hundreds of applications, something that Anderson and Diamandis would like to see happen to the platinum-group metals.

While mining platinum and other rare metals is Planetary Resource's way of bringing wealth to Earth, the world still has ample reserves of such material — South African platinum mines alone are expected to produce for another 300 years.

"In my view, its questionable how the economics of asteroid-retrieval works if you're going to bring it to the ground," said Brophy. "It makes more sense if you're going to use the materials in space."

Asteroids contain one substance that is of extremely high value for astronauts: water. Water can be used for drinking and it can be broken into its constituents. Oxygen is valuable for life support in space-based habitats, while liquid oxygen and hydrogen are both used to produce rocket fuel.

Rather than having to lug all the fuel for a mission out of Earth's deep gravity well — an expensive proposition — having a "gas station" in space could help enable missions to Mars and beyond. Such a refueling depot might allow people to permanently live and work in space, another goal of Planetary Resources.

Of course, this creates a sort of chicken-and-egg problem. Do you generate tons of resources for your nonexistent space civilization first or do you get your space civilization started and then utilize the available resources?

Wired Science's resident space historian David S. Portree thinks asteroid mining might make more sense when we have a more established space-based habitats with a different economy and better technology.

"Right now it would be like a big oil tanker dropping anchor off the coast of medieval England," he said. "The medieval English might identify the oil as a useful commodity, but wouldn't be able use enough to profit the tanker crew. Heck, they wouldn't know how to get it off the tanker, except in wooden pails and rowboats."

mage: 1) Artist rendition of a robotic mining mission to a near-Earth asteroid. NASA/Denise Watt. 2) A mock-up of the Arkyd-101 Space Telescope. Planetary Resources, Inc. 3) Manned exploration of an asteroid pushed into lunar orbit, from a recent KISS white paper. NASA/AMA, Inc. 4) Prices for various metals. Aluminum is $0.026/oz, barely registering on the chart.

Video: Robot miners rove over the surface of an asteroid, extracting resources. Planetary Resource, Inc.
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Tonitrus

I wonder how much the "oops, we moved that asteroid into a collision course with Los Angeles" liability insurance will cost.

Tamas

I read that such plans are about moving an asteroid on Lunar orbit, not Earth. Probably to avoid paying insurance for some severe flooding and whatnot :D

Monoriu

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
While the endeavor is technically feasible, the technology has not yet been developed.

I don't understand this sentence.  I have this much money, but I need to earn it first? :unsure:

Neil

Private companies should not under any circumstances be allowed to move asteroids.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Monoriu on April 24, 2012, 04:33:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
While the endeavor is technically feasible, the technology has not yet been developed.

I don't understand this sentence.  I have this much money, but I need to earn it first? :unsure:
Building an atom bomb was technically feasible in '41, the technology had not yet been developed yet.
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Jet: I see.
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DontSayBanana

Feasibility isn't retroactive, Tim.  Part of the decision whether it's feasible or not involves judging the aptitude of current technology to the task. :rolleyes:
Experience bij!

Jaron

:rolleyes: This entire announcement was a massive troll. James Cameron is probably going to release an asteroid movie or something and wants to generate public hype.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Razgovory

Quote from: Neil on April 24, 2012, 07:55:15 AM
Private companies should not under any circumstances be allowed to move asteroids.

The idea of Joseph Hazelwood captaining an asteroid is a bit worrisome.
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jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Tonitrus

Those numbers are crap, because once you bring in that $2.9 trillion-platinum asteroid, the platinum will no longer be anywhere near worth that much.

And because an asteroid has water, it instantly becomes worth all the rocket fuel we've ever used?  I'm sure it would require quite a bit of processing first.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tonitrus on April 25, 2012, 01:55:45 AM
Those numbers are crap, because once you bring in that $2.9 trillion-platinum asteroid, the platinum will no longer be anywhere near worth that much.

They specifically say in an interview that they want to crash the price of platinum and make it as ubiquitous in industry as aluminum.
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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Tonitrus

Which doesn't change the fact that the fancy chart is bunk on the value of a platinum asteroid.

So the mission to mine the platinum asteroid will probably lose money...but at least we'll be able to drink diet soda from platinum cans.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tonitrus on April 25, 2012, 02:12:14 AM
Which doesn't change the fact that the fancy chart is bunk on the value of a platinum asteroid.

So the mission to mine the platinum asteroid will probably lose money...but at least we'll be able to drink diet soda from platinum cans.
When they say industry they're talking electronics and automotive fuel cells.

Anyways there's plenty of rare earths in asteroids that are vastly more valuable than platinum.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Tonitrus on April 25, 2012, 02:12:14 AM
Which doesn't change the fact that the fancy chart is bunk on the value of a platinum asteroid.

So the mission to mine the platinum asteroid will probably lose money...but at least we'll be able to drink diet soda from platinum cans.

HipHoppers and Rappers should back this plan. More bling bling.
Try to sell it to Sarko too while you're at it!