News:

And we're back!

Main Menu

[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

Started by Josephus, March 22, 2011, 09:27:34 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Valmy

Without fresh blood constantly coming in from abroad I question the possibility of a country truly having multiple cultures over centuries living side-by-side. They cannot help but influence and be changed by each other's presence and over time form something distinct from what they used to be. Unless the country will truly just be groups of separate enclaves cooperating but not really living with each other. But we will see.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

#11281
@ Malthus, sure, but Bernier is claiming something else.  He is claiming that diversity leads to a rejection of tolerance.  Irony aside, this must be driving Scheer crazy.  There is much one could criticize about this government's immigration and refugee policies but this is an attack on diversity itself - something the Conservatives wish to avoid - which their response makes clear.

crazy canuck

#11282
A follow up on the TWU decision - TWU has decided to remove the mandatory nature of the covenant

QuoteThe motion is as follows:

"In furtherance of our desire to maintain TWU as a thriving community of Christian believers that is inclusive of all students wishing to learn from a Christian viewpoint and underlying philosophy, the Community Covenant will no longer be mandatory as of the 2018-19 Academic year with respect to admission of students to, or continuation of students at, the University."

Malthus

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 14, 2018, 02:17:18 PM
A follow up on the TWU decision - TWU has decided to remove the mandatory nature of the covenant

QuoteThe motion is as follows:

"In furtherance of our desire to maintain TWU as a thriving community of Christian believers that is inclusive of all students wishing to learn from a Christian viewpoint and underlying philosophy, the Community Covenant will no longer be mandatory as of the 2018-19 Academic year with respect to admission of students to, or continuation of students at, the University."

Presumably, they plan to re-apply for certification?
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

crazy canuck

#11284
Its only reason they would do this and it effectively removes the legal objection.  Now we will see how much of the opposition was motivated by the fact it is a religious school.

crazy canuck

Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
I see no issue whatsoever with Bernier's tweets.


From a CBC report:

Maxime Bernier received an official rebuke from his boss, Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer, and a broadside from a Pakistani-Canadian Conservative senator today as the party moved to distance itself from the former leadership contender's opinions on multiculturalism on the eve of its national convention.

dps

Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2018, 08:13:55 AM
Without fresh blood constantly coming in from abroad I question the possibility of a country truly having multiple cultures over centuries living side-by-side. They cannot help but influence and be changed by each other's presence and over time form something distinct from what they used to be.

The French and Anglo cultures have both existed in Canada for over 3 centuries now.  Are they unchanged over that time?  Of course not, but the French culture in France and the English culture in England have changed over that time as well.

French culture in Canada has probably changed more in the last 60 or so years than it had in the 300 years before that, but I don't think that necessarily means that it has become more like Anglo-Canadian culture in the last 60.

Monoriu

When I was an immigrant in Canada, I struggled to understand what multiculturalism was.  I heard this term all the time, but didn't really understand what it was. 

I am still confused  :lol:

Valmy

Quote from: dps on August 15, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2018, 08:13:55 AM
Without fresh blood constantly coming in from abroad I question the possibility of a country truly having multiple cultures over centuries living side-by-side. They cannot help but influence and be changed by each other's presence and over time form something distinct from what they used to be.

The French and Anglo cultures have both existed in Canada for over 3 centuries now.  Are they unchanged over that time?  Of course not, but the French culture in France and the English culture in England have changed over that time as well.

French culture in Canada has probably changed more in the last 60 or so years than it had in the 300 years before that, but I don't think that necessarily means that it has become more like Anglo-Canadian culture in the last 60.

I don't know if it is necessarily so but I think it has become so.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Quote from: Monoriu on August 15, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
When I was an immigrant in Canada, I struggled to understand what multiculturalism was.  I heard this term all the time, but didn't really understand what it was. 

I am still confused  :lol:

It has various meanings depending on context.

The most common one is the notion that no particular culture should be seen as central or favored; that all cultures are equally worthy of legal or official regard, with the caveat that whatever the culture all individuals must maintain respect for the rule of law (which, insofar as reasonable, will "accommodate" cultural and religious differences).

There are obvious problems and contradictions (for example, the notion of the rule of law, as well as the content of those laws, has a particular cultural origin; in addition, in Canada at least, multiculturalism competes as a concept with the older notion that Canada has certain 'founding cultures' - originally stated as being English and French, later expanded as being Native Canadian, English and French - and to a great extent, this older notion is deeply imbedded in our laws). 

This leads to many conflicts within Canada. For example, Toronto in particular (as well as other places in Canada, such as Vancouver) is a highly "multicultural" city, with a population from everywhere on the globe. The Native Canadian and French populations of Toronto are tiny in proportion. Montreal is also a multicultural city, but Quebec as a whole is very wedded to the older notion of the ancestral French culture being given official priority; Quebec as a whole tends to have very ambivalent feelings towards official multiculturalism, seeing it as just another way that "English Canada" undermines their culture.

This Conservative fellow is bringing up yet another critique of multiculturalism - that it leads to a ghettoized mentality and ethnic strife. This critique has less traction here, as many (I would venture to say the majority) of the Canadian population already lives in urban, multicultural communities, without experiencing an increase in strife. It isn't surprising to see that this particular Conservative politician is from Quebec.   
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Zoupa

 :lol:

Get in your digs whenever you can right? Never change, Malthus.

Malthus

Quote from: Zoupa on August 16, 2018, 08:11:54 AM
:lol:

Get in your digs whenever you can right? Never change, Malthus.

It is interesting you see that as a "dig". It was not intended to be.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

crazy canuck

 It is a bit misleading to imply Bermier's views are most supported in Quebec.  During the Conservative leadership race his supporters were primarily amongst the BBs of the West.  There is a reason he was called the Albertan of Quebec.


derspiess

Quote from: Malthus on August 16, 2018, 08:23:52 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on August 16, 2018, 08:11:54 AM
:lol:

Get in your digs whenever you can right? Never change, Malthus.

It is interesting you see that as a "dig". It was not intended to be.

It was flat-out SAVAGE :o
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Malthus

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 16, 2018, 08:31:33 AM
It is a bit misleading to imply Bermier's views are most supported in Quebec.  During the Conservative leadership race his supporters were primarily amongst the BBs of the West.  There is a reason he was called the Albertan of Quebec.

I never implied his views were supported in Quebec. I have no idea who supports him, or where they are from.

Rather, I outright stated that it wasn't surprising he was from Quebec. The implication is that his views were formed based on where he was from, as ambivalence towards multiculturalism is much more common in Quebec than in the other major provinces ... with the possible exception of Alberta.

I mean, is it even a controversial point that Quebec as a whole is more ambivalent about multiculturalism? 
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius