[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Monoriu]

Carolyne Mulroney entering politics

Ontario, for now.  She seems smart.  Hopefully, she'll make it to federal elections after Scheer's defeat.

Always nice to see second/third generation politicians stepping up 

[viper37]

Pot save the Queen?

[viper37]

Bromance be gone!

[viper37]

Montreal City of Secrets, by Barry Sheehy.

It describes the links between British economic power in Montreal and the Confederates, their participation to a plot to bomb a New York Hotel.

Long article in French about the book, you could try Google Translate, but if the subject is interesting to you, the book seems worth it.  It also talks about Jefferson Davis moving to Lennoxville after the war (Loyalist stronghold) and sending his children to University of Bishop.
http://www.ledevoir.com/culture/livres/505702/montreal-la-sudiste-du-nord

I knew the Brits covertly supported the Confederacy since a strong United States wasn't seen with keen eyes in London, but I did not know about so many people from the Confederacy visiting Montreal and other Quebec anglo communities.

Excerpt of the text:

Durant la guerre civile, Montréal accueille en fait les plus grands noms du pouvoir sudiste. La trace de leur passage est fixée très souvent sur les plaques photographiques de William Notman. Un registre d'hôtel témoigne aussi de leurs passages à Montréal. Ce sont des généraux en uniforme, des banquiers en livrée de leur caste, des espions que tout le monde connaît, des activistes bruyants, des sénateurs empesés, des hommes d'affaires aux poches pleines de l'or du coton. Devant l'objectif de Notman pose par exemple le général Daniel Frost, dans son uniforme d'officier.

During the Civil War, Montreal in fact received the biggest names of Southern power.  The trace of their passage is often fixed on photographic plates by William Notman.  An hotel register witnesses of their stay in Montreal.  These are generals in uniform, bankers delievering their [cast? money?], weighted senators, business men with pockets filled with cotton gold.  In front of Notman objective, among others, General Daniel Frost, in his officer uniform*.



*By the time he reached Montreal, from what I've read, he kinda sorta deserted from the army

[Barrister]

Hey can any of our Toronto-bsed posters give me any low-down on NDP leadership candidate Jagmeet Singh?  Voting starts shortly and it seems like he is getting a lot of buzz and could potentially win it, but I know nothing about the guy myself.

[Jacob]

Hey can any of our Toronto-bsed posters give me any low-down on NDP leadership candidate Jagmeet Singh?  Voting starts shortly and it seems like he is getting a lot of buzz and could potentially win it, but I know nothing about the guy myself.

According to one lady he's in favour of instituting Sharia in Canada.

[Valmy]

Hey can any of our Toronto-bsed posters give me any low-down on NDP leadership candidate Jagmeet Singh?  Voting starts shortly and it seems like he is getting a lot of buzz and could potentially win it, but I know nothing about the guy myself.

According to one lady he's in favour of instituting Sharia in Canada.

Compulsive Bhakti!!!11

[viper37]

Hey can any of our Toronto-bsed posters give me any low-down on NDP leadership candidate Jagmeet Singh?  Voting starts shortly and it seems like he is getting a lot of buzz and could potentially win it, but I know nothing about the guy myself.

According to one lady he's in favour of instituting Sharia in Canada.

Sometimes, I do wonder, what would happen if the left stopped lying and bickering among one another?  Guess I'll never know.

[Valmy]

Sometimes, I do wonder, what would happen if the left stopped lying and bickering among one another?  Guess I'll never know.

The left is a political alliance of people with radically different agendas almost be definition

[viper37]

BB, I have a judical question for you, about inter-provincial jurisdiction on a criminal case.

Two weeks ago, a man killed his ex and kidnapped his son, after wich followed an amber alert and an extensive manhunt to find the little boy.

As he was found in Ontario, and during his roadtrip another person disapeared (the owner of a car he stole in a roadstop, near the Ontarian border), it was suspected a major crime may have been committed in Ontario.  It turned out he killed that poor old man right where he found him.

But if he had kidnapped him and later killed him in Ontario, how would the jurisdiction goes for the crimes committed?  Would he be tried in a Quebec court for all crimes or would he get a trial in each province, for each crime?  Right now, he stands accused only of 2nd degree murder in Quebec, but other accusations are expected once the autopsy of the elderly man is conducted.

[viper37]

Sometimes, I do wonder, what would happen if the left stopped lying and bickering among one another?  Guess I'll never know.

The left is a political alliance of people with radically different agendas almost be definition

Well, I do not like Martine Ouellet, she is even more economically incompetent than your average leftist, and she nearly wrecked Quebec's economy working in tandem with Pauline Marois, but that's really not what she said.  She referred to his attitude toward a proposed provincial law on religious neutrality.  In a typical Canadian leftist dick move, he declared himself open to contestation of the law and declared it illegal.  Before the law was even submitted for a vote.  Before he even read it.  And that moron wants my vote.

Although it is kinda fun to see the hard left fighting one another and spreading lies, it is still in bad taste to see them spreading lies.

[Barrister]

BB, I have a judical question for you, about inter-provincial jurisdiction on a criminal case.

Two weeks ago, a man killed his ex and kidnapped his son, after wich followed an amber alert and an extensive manhunt to find the little boy.

As he was found in Ontario, and during his roadtrip another person disapeared (the owner of a car he stole in a roadstop, near the Ontarian border), it was suspected a major crime may have been committed in Ontario.  It turned out he killed that poor old man right where he found him.

But if he had kidnapped him and later killed him in Ontario, how would the jurisdiction goes for the crimes committed?  Would he be tried in a Quebec court for all crimes or would he get a trial in each province, for each crime?  Right now, he stands accused only of 2nd degree murder in Quebec, but other accusations are expected once the autopsy of the elderly man is conducted.

Just because of the sheer fact he was found in Ontario he could have been tried in Ontario for the Quebec offences.

Realistically, because the witnesses for the Quebec charges are in Quebec, and the potential witnesses for the Ontario charge live in Ontario, it would probably be easier just to have separate charges.

I really don't see many jurisdictional questions anymore.  I used to be more up on them when I would have to go to Lloydminster - a city very neatly cut in two by the Alberta/Sask border.

[viper37]

Just because of the sheer fact he was found in Ontario he could have been tried in Ontario for the Quebec offences.

I didn't know that.  Thanks a lot.

[PRC]

Two of the leadership candidates in the Alberta "You See Pee" party calling for a move to provide more private health-care options.  Health-care always comes up as an election issue, but is it as broken as these guys say it is?  I haven't seen it.

I guess i'll be voting NDP again in the next provincial election.

United Conservative leadership candidates promise health-care reform
Both Brian Jean and Jeff Callaway called for expanded private-care options
The Canadian Press Posted: Sep 29, 2017 9:27 AM E

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/united-conservative-candidates-healthcare-1.4312995

Two of the leadership candidates for Alberta's United Conservatives say they will pursue more private-care options to fix a broken health-care system.

Jason Kenney says his father died waiting for care and that access to a long waiting list is not access to care.

"My father, seven years ago, waited for 15 hours sitting in a chair in an emergency ward waiting for somebody to see him and died that day, effectively without care," Kenney told about 500 people at leadership debate Thursday.

"My dad, if he was picked up off a sidewalk as a heroin addict, would have been treated faster at a county hospital in Detroit than he was here in Calgary.

"We have brilliant and often heroic front-line workers but the system ... simply isn't working."

'Decentralized decision-making'

All four candidates said restructuring is vital for a system that is spending $21.5 billion a year but is not delivering the outcomes.

Kenney and candidate Doug Schweitzer said simpler surgical procedures, such as hip and knee replacements, can be effectively delivered for less money under the public-health umbrella.

"We need to get back to decentralized decision-making in Alberta, and we also have to get back to innovating," said Schweitzer. "So many (minor surgeries) can be provided better, faster, cheaper. If the private option is there, we need to take advantage of it and use it."

Candidate Brian Jean recounted how his adult son died amid confusion and problems in the health system.

He said a wholesale reorganization is needed to reduce the levels of management and improve service.

"There are too many layers of managers in the (health system). We have one manager for almost five employees," said Jean, adding the province needs to reorganize purchases and consulting fees and fix technology.

"There's over a thousand different software systems and none of them speak to each other.

"How can you expect the doctor in one area of the province to be able to talk to a hospital or a specialist when they can't even talk to each other through software?" 

Jeff Callaway said a reorganization is critical for a system that has become politicized and doesn't always focus on outcomes.

"We've got a fragmented structure, we've got a lack of integration at the physician and the service level, and we've got a lack of sharing and use of clinical info," said Callaway.

He said the auditor general has suggested viable solutions in the past.

"We actually have the answers. The thing is we just need the political fortitude and strength to actually follow through," he said.

Asked later by reporters, both Callaway and Jean said they would look at expanded private care options if it's cost effective and improves the system.

The minimum wage debate

The candidates also sparred over labour relations, including Alberta's minimum wage.

The wage rises to $13.60 on Oct. 1 from $12.20 an hour, then to $15 in the fall of 2018.

All candidates say business leaders are telling them $15 is not sustainable, and that it will harm the economy because fewer people will be hired.

Three of them would look to hold it at $15 or, in the case of Jean, seek to lower it for some industries or age groups to spur job growth.

Only Schweitzer promised to roll it back to the current $12.20 level to bring back thousands of jobs.

"The minimum wage has to be re-set. Has to be," he said.

Kenney disagreed, telling Schweitzer: "Promising hundreds of thousands of people that you are going to cut their wages is not the winning formula for an election."

This was the second of five debates among the leaders.

The party will pick a new leader on a preferential ballot on Oct. 28.

The United Conservatives were created in July, when Jean's Wildrose party and Kenney's Progressive Conservatives voted to merge.

[Valmy]

Jason Kenney says his father died waiting for care and that access to a long waiting list is not access to care.

"My father, seven years ago, waited for 15 hours sitting in a chair in an emergency ward waiting for somebody to see him and died that day, effectively without care," Kenney told about 500 people at leadership debate Thursday.

"My dad, if he was picked up off a sidewalk as a heroin addict, would have been treated faster at a county hospital in Detroit than he was here in Calgary.

"We have brilliant and often heroic front-line workers but the system ... simply isn't working."

Good. Anecdotes should be used to determine what systems work better than others.