TV/Movies Megathread

[grumbler]

On average, about half of Hollywood remakes are better than the original.

I suppose you have data to back this claim?

nah.  Just a matter of perspective.  I have exquisite tastes in movies and music

So much that you dissed Kurusawa twice.   

And labelled a bunch of movies that were not remakes as remakes. 

Anyone who thinks that the remade Lion King was better than the original, or the remade Magnificent Seven is better than the original, has sacrificed all credibility. 

[Sheilbh]

I'd make an argument that Magnificent Seven is up there with Seven Samurai. That is the best type of re-make, when it's a re-interpretation. Have very little linterest in, for example, The Lion King which isn't really doing anything interesting.

[Valmy]

I don't know why they keep remaking successful movies with worse movies. I know the answer is money but still...you can still make money with good art and it doesn't cost any more than bad art.

The Lion king was better but Aladin was much, much worst.

I have high hopes for Dune.  We'll see.  On average, about half of Hollywood remakes are better than the original.

Ok I was strictly talking about Disney and its live action remakes of its own films not all remakes of everything ever. And Dune is not a remake of the David Lynch film but another adaptation of the novel. That is not the same.

[The Brain]

I'd make an argument that Magnificent Seven is up there with Seven Samurai.

The remake or the original?

[Josquius]

I'd make an argument that Magnificent Seven is up there with Seven Samurai. That is the best type of re-make, when it's a re-interpretation. Have very little linterest in, for example, The Lion King which isn't really doing anything interesting.

Agreed with the overall point that reinterpretations are a good form of remake. But really disagree on magnificent 7. If we had to pick a kurosawa remake I'd go for yojimbo/fist full of dollars. Though I'd rate the originals higher.

[viper37]

On average, about half of Hollywood remakes are better than the original.

I suppose you have data to back this claim?

nah.  Just a matter of perspective.  I have exquisite tastes in movies and music

So much that you dissed Kurusawa twice.   

I know.  It's a matter of perspective.  It just seems to me like their remakes spoke more to me than the originals.  But I'm aware it's a controversial thought.

[viper37]

And labelled a bunch of movies that were not remakes as remakes. 

Nope.  All of them are remakes, unless you want to apply an extemely narrow view of "remake" just to be pedantic.  But that would be so out of character coming from you that it can't be possible

Anyone who thinks that the remade Lion King was better than the original, or the remade Magnificent Seven is better than the original, has sacrificed all credibility. 

Well, if you have a weak spot for constant, annoying singing and b&w movie, it just shows your age.

[viper37]

Ok I was strictly talking about Disney and its live action remakes of its own films

I haven't seem them all, so I won't judge.  Only those my nieces drags me to

And Dune is not a remake of the David Lynch film but another adaptation of the novel. That is not the same.

Well, they did see to keep the visuals from the movie, not specifically the books.
The tv version was another adaptation of the novel, but Villeneuve's movie looks closer to a two-part remake, from the trailer I've seen. 

It's hard to make a definite opinion based on a trailer.
I'll have to wait until it's out to render a final verdict on this extremely important issue.

[celedhring]

I'd make an argument that Magnificent Seven is up there with Seven Samurai. That is the best type of re-make, when it's a re-interpretation. Have very little linterest in, for example, The Lion King which isn't really doing anything interesting.

Agreed with the overall point that reinterpretations are a good form of remake. But really disagree on magnificent 7. If we had to pick a kurosawa remake I'd go for yojimbo/fist full of dollars. Though I'd rate the originals higher.

I like Magnificent Seven more thant Fistful, and Leone is one of my all-time favorite filmmakers. Fistful was a B-movie and it shows, it's more a blueprint of what he'll be able to do later with more money. But it's certainly better than Last Man Standing, the other Yojimbo remake 

[celedhring]

Regarding the Disney remakes, I liked The Jungle Book one and I'd put it above the original. But it certainly doesn't add much. Just updated visuals and better directing (thanks to the technology).

[Duque de Bragança]

I can see why some people would prefer True Lies over la Totale !, despite being the latter being very good on its own. The remake brought something different and new.

The rest of Viper's list is far more questionable, with the Dawn of the Dead remake branded as "better" as the most stupid of the list. Yay, zombies running!  Italians did it before. 
Not to mention i prefer a kitsch Batman (1966) over the pompous Nolan adaptations, though the latter are always better than Schumacher's movies, at least the last one.
I like both Scarfaces. Casino Royale is a non-sequitur, the first one being more of a parody than anything else.
Not to mention the list confuses remakes with new adaptations.

PS: worst remakes list would be probably more interesting and funnier.

[Josquius]

Lately I've been watching a lot of old episodes of what's my line. Wonderfully twee and posh old school Americana

[grumbler]

And labelled a bunch of movies that were not remakes as remakes. 

Nope.  All of them are remakes, unless you want to apply an extemely narrow view of "remake" just to be pedantic.  But that would be so out of character coming from you that it can't be possible

  Yeah, whatever.  Pretend that they are remakes if you want, it still doesn't make them remakes better than the originals.

Well, if you have a weak spot for constant, annoying singing and b&w movie, it just shows your age.

It's not my age that tells me that a movie with a 93 rating on Rotten Tomatoes (1991 Lion King) is better than the 53% on (your fav, the 2019 remake).  It's not just my weak spot that shows that the original Magnificent Seven (88% on RT, selected for the US National Film Registry) is better than your preferred 2016 remake (64% rating, no film registry).

You are basically arguing that your naked opinion, backed by some childish insults, trumps pretty much every critic out there.

[Tonitrus]

Naked opinion backed by childish insults sounds exactly like what we most often get in reviews from pretty much every critic out there.  So that just makes viper another in the crowd.

[Sophie Scholl]

Anyone prefer Barb Wire over Casablanca?