The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

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Syt

#1035
February 06, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
Video juxtaposition of Trump and Clinton's acquittal speeches.

https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1225531263643267072?s=20
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Admiral Yi

#1036
February 06, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
If the discussion is limited to character traits Donald is clearly the worst.

Razgovory

#1037
February 06, 2020, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2020, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:22:22 PM
Among people who actually held the office of President, though, no one comes close to matching him for the title.

Andrew Jackson?  Andrew Johnson?



Jackson isn't as bad as some people think;  the man certainly had his faults both as a person and as a political leader, but a lot of his bad rep came from propaganda put out by his political opponents.  Johnson was in over his head as President, but I don't see how that makes him a piece of shit as a person--as a person, Lyndon was worse than Andrew, but a much better President.


Andrew Johnson's problem wasn't that he was over his head, it was that he was trying to sabotage reconstruction.  He was a piece of shit as a person.  He was known to be spiteful, cruel, and jealous.
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Valmy

#1038
February 06, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
Being a vindictive populist contrarian was what caused him to stay loyal to the Union in the first place. Johnson didn't so much love the Union as he hated the southern planter class.
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jimmy olsen

#1039
February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2020, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:22:22 PM
Among people who actually held the office of President, though, no one comes close to matching him for the title.

Andrew Jackson?  Andrew Johnson?



Jackson isn't as bad as some people think;  the man certainly had his faults both as a person and as a political leader, but a lot of his bad rep came from propaganda put out by his political opponents.
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.
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Valmy

#1040
February 06, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.

Yes but he also led a revolution for the common (white) man and stuff.
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jimmy olsen

#1041
February 06, 2020, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.

Yes but he also led a revolution for the common (white) man and stuff.
Enlarging suffrage and extending the vote is good, but it doesn't overcome the above.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Valmy

#1042
February 06, 2020, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.

Yes but he also led a revolution for the common (white) man and stuff.
Enlarging suffrage and extending the vote is good, but it doesn't overcome the above.

No but it balances it out somewhat.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

FunkMonk

#1044
February 06, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
Have to agree with Tim. Jackson was definitely the worst piece of shit to serve as President.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

dps

#1045
February 07, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2020, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:22:22 PM
Among people who actually held the office of President, though, no one comes close to matching him for the title.

Andrew Jackson?  Andrew Johnson?



Jackson isn't as bad as some people think;  the man certainly had his faults both as a person and as a political leader, but a lot of his bad rep came from propaganda put out by his political opponents.
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.

He didn't commit ethnic cleansing, and lots of people in his time owned slaves.  If you want to judge him by that, you have to condemn Washington, Jefferson, and lots of other of the founding fathers, too. 

I do agree with you on the Bank of the US, mostly because so much of his motivation in opposing it was just pettiness.

viper37

#1046
February 07, 2020, 01:18:29 AM
Quote from: dps on February 07, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 06, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2020, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2020, 05:22:22 PM
Among people who actually held the office of President, though, no one comes close to matching him for the title.

Andrew Jackson?  Andrew Johnson?



Jackson isn't as bad as some people think;  the man certainly had his faults both as a person and as a political leader, but a lot of his bad rep came from propaganda put out by his political opponents.
He committed ethnic cleansing, owned slaves, and caused a massive recession by destroying the national bank.

He didn't commit ethnic cleansing,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears#Historical_context
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Syt

#1047
February 07, 2020, 01:38:23 AM
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Oexmelin

#1048
February 07, 2020, 02:00:24 AM
I'll just reiterate that people really need to show up and participate to the mobilization against Trumpism (and generally against authoritarianism). Otherwise we are in for a rougher ride.
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Tamas

#1049
February 07, 2020, 04:07:35 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 07, 2020, 02:00:24 AM
I'll just reiterate that people really need to show up and participate to the mobilization against Trumpism (and generally against authoritarianism). Otherwise we are in for a rougher ride.

Politics have devolved into reality TV entertainment. Even people who hate Trump can't stop listening to him. He'll be your ruler 'til the day he dies.
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