The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

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dps

#405
October 31, 2019, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 31, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 31, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
This is also extremely standard.  The Democratic toadies did it for Clinton, and the Republican toadies did it for Nixon.  Toadies are going to toady; they can't help it.

Do you not see anything different at all from these varying circumstances?

I see differences--Nixon's toadies lost, Clinton's toadies won, and we don't know yet about Trump's toadies.

Valmy

#406
October 31, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
The whole Clinton situation was a shitshow. I wish he had done the decent thing and resigned.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Habbaku

#407
October 31, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2019, 08:49:32 AM
Yeah we always hear about how bad it is to use Constitutional methods to check the power of the executive because it is trying to cancel an election and is anti-democratic. I guess because Congress isn't elected or anything? I never understood that logic.

Then, in the same breath, the Republicans will loudly screech the "Republic not a Democracy" line. And support the Electoral College. And...
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Syt

#408
October 31, 2019, 10:27:14 AM
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Valmy

#409
October 31, 2019, 10:28:06 AM
I did not realize the United State Constitution was something Soviet-style.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Oexmelin

#410
October 31, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
When did US Congressmen began using these stupid props?
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Valmy

#411
October 31, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 31, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
When did US Congressmen began using these stupid props?

I know McCarthy did so they have for awhile.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#412
October 31, 2019, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 31, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 31, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
This is also extremely standard.  The Democratic toadies did it for Clinton, and the Republican toadies did it for Nixon.  Toadies are going to toady; they can't help it.

Do you not see anything different at all from these varying circumstances?


Of course not.  The ability to see differences is an innately partisan act.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

#413
October 31, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
This will be a shit show.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Razgovory

#414
October 31, 2019, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 31, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
This will be a shit show.


Yes it will be, and I think that it will guarantee Trump's reelection.  I also don't think there is any other choice.  Trump went way over the line on this one.  We make a stand here, or we never make a stand.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#415
October 31, 2019, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 31, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 31, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
This is also extremely standard.  The Democratic toadies did it for Clinton, and the Republican toadies did it for Nixon.  Toadies are going to toady; they can't help it.

Do you not see anything different at all from these varying circumstances?

Not in terms of the toadies toadying, no.  I see a huge difference in the degree to which the President deserves to be impeached.  The current president is borderline psychotic, and far more dangerous than any previous president.  But the latter isn't what I was responding to.  What I was responding to was the pretense that toadies were suddenly toadying over impeachment when they hadn't in the past.
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11B4V

#416
October 31, 2019, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 31, 2019, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 31, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
This will be a shit show.


Yes it will be, and I think that it will guarantee Trump's reelection.  I also don't think there is any other choice.  Trump went way over the line on this one.  We make a stand here, or we never make a stand.

I agree
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Eddie Teach

#417
October 31, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
I agree too, except with the part that his reelection is guaranteed.
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grumbler

#418
October 31, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 31, 2019, 08:50:27 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 31, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
This is also extremely standard.  The Democratic toadies did it for Clinton, and the Republican toadies did it for Nixon.  Toadies are going to toady; they can't help it.

The question in my mind is whether such rhetoric will have a different effect on impressionable minds this time around.

It is certainly possible.  The rhetoric gets downloaded directly into fanatical brains now,when it used to be at least somewhat filtered by the news media.  But that's been the standard for years now.  Remember when Trump wrote his own doctor's report and claimed both that 'all of the tests came back positive" (i.e. that he had every disease and ailment under the sun) and that he was 'the most physically fit candidate for President in history?"  The toadies and impressionable minds all ate that shit like it was ice cream.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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grumbler

#419
October 31, 2019, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2019, 10:28:06 AM
I did not realize the United State Constitution was something Soviet-style.
The Soviets had a constitution and it allowed impeachment.  Most constitutions do.  Most Republican representatives are probably too stupid to realize that, though.
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