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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1155 on: November 08, 2018, 08:37:13 pm »
Sessions sacked, what next for the Meuller enquiry?


Listening to Alan Dershowitz on the news today, he said 'If the trump administration was wise, it would let it play out, have the new AG not overly interfere with the process and have Meuller hand over his report.' Dershowitz's guess being there would be no smoking gun on Trump in it. 

I'm not disagreeing with him or the other opinions he has on the matter and impeachment etc, but that's one massive 'ask', that Trump will do the sensible thing.  :hmm:

I don't think he can keep his hands out of the machinery of justice, I'm going to guess in the next few weeks one of his wild mood swings will result in an attempt to eliminate the enquiry.
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1156 on: November 08, 2018, 10:43:19 pm »
He did get a solid explanation from Prof. Seife.  Guess you can learn something from the internet after all.

Watching this Jacob Wohl guy getting dunked on by virtually everyone on Twitter was a nice distraction over the last week.
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1157 on: November 12, 2018, 07:48:53 pm »
Oh, this is sweet. So very sweet.  God, I hope it happens.  If you folks remember, Jerome Corsi wrote "Unfit for Command" the slander of John Kerry that Hansmeister like so much he used the cover as his avatar.  Now it looks like Corsi will be indicted for lying to federal officials.

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Conservative author Jerome Corsi said Monday that he expects to be indicted by prosecutors working for special counsel Robert S. sureMueller III on a charge of lying to investigators probing Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

Corsi, a writer who has promoted political conspiracy theories, provided research during the White House race to longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone, who Mueller has been scrutinizing for possible ties to WikiLeaks.

On Monday, Corsi told listeners of his daily live-stream Web program that he turned over two computers, emails and other communications to Mueller and sat for six interviews totaling more than 40 hours since receiving a subpoena two months ago.

But he said that his cooperation had “exploded” in recent weeks and that Mueller’s team has said he will be criminally charged.

“I’m going to be indicted. That’s what we’ve been told. Everyone should know that,” he said.

After two months of interviews, Corsi, 72, said he felt his brain was “mush.”

“I anticipate being indicted on a charge of some form of lying,” he said. “Trying to explain yourself to these people is impossible . . . I guess I couldn’t tell the special prosecutor what he wanted to hear.”

He said that Mueller’s questions were expansive, including about a trip he took with his wife to Italy before the 2016 election. Corsi added that he believes Mueller’s team is persecuting him because of his outspoken opposition to the investigation and defense of President Trump.

“The Department of Justice is run by criminals,” Corsi said, adding: “I think my crime really was that I supported Donald Trump. Now I guess I’ll go to prison for the rest of my life, because I dared to oppose the ‘deep state.’ ”

A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment.

Corsi did not tell his viewers precisely what he had been told by special counsel prosecutors, but made an appeal for donations to his legal defense fund. His attorney, David Gray, declined to comment.

Corsi is one of at least nine Stone associates who have been interviewed by Mueller’s team, which has been investigating whether anyone in Trump’s orbit coordinated with WikiLeaks in its release of Democratic emails allegedly hacked by Russian operatives.

Stone made public comments before the 2016 election that suggested he had inside information about material held by WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Since the election, Stone has said repeatedly that his comments were exaggerations or came from tips from associates, and that he had no advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’s plans.

In a text message to The Washington Post on Monday, Stone said he has not been contacted by Mueller’s team. He said that his attorneys have “fully reviewed” his communications with Corsi.

“When those aren’t viewed out of context, they prove everything I have said under oath regarding my interaction with Dr. Corsi is true,” Stone said, adding: “It is possible to take individual communications out of context to create a false impression to a grand jury. Such a case would be weak and would fail.”

Appearing on the Infowars website Monday evening, Stone said that “perhaps they have squeezed poor Dr. Corsi to frame me.”

Stone also seemed to lay the groundwork for an effort to undercut Corsi’s credibility as a witness. “He has his own demons,” Stone said of Corsi.

Previously, Stone has said one of his most intriguing pre-election comments was inspired by Corsi.

On August 21, 2016, Stone tweeted that “it will soon the Podesta’s time in the barrel.” Six weeks later, WikiLeaks began to publish online emails hacked from the account of John Podesta, the chairman of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Stone has said his tweet had nothing to do with WikiLeaks.

Instead, he has said he was referring to research material he had discussed with Corsi about links between Russia and John Podesta and his brother, lobbyist Tony Podesta.

Corsi has said also said he believes Stone’s tweet was prompted by his research.

On his live-stream program Monday, Corsi said he had never met Assange and had no connection to him. “To the best of my recollection,” he added.

He said that to the extent that he had advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’s plans, he had surmised the group’s intentions on his own

“There was no conspiracy,” Corsi said. “I found out what I knew largely from open sources. “ He promised to share more details in coming days.

Stone has previously told The Post that Corsi developed a relationship with Trump over their shared interest in the false theory that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, the subject of a 2011 Corsi book.

Corsi and Trump met during the 2016 campaign, according to Stone.

Stone recalled that Trump asked him around that time, ‘Who is this guy, Jerome Corsi?’ ” Trump then informed Stone that he had been discussing the subject of Obama’s birth certificate with Corsi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conservative-author-and-stone-associate-jerome-corsi-said-special-prosecutors-plan-to-indict-him-for-allegedly-lying/2018/11/12/773e6722-e6c7-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?fbclid=IwAR1KdWEEpLLVyWdJAfwkkjOSTcDWntb4g9aYIdH35IRO-2Ww7XFlcZXQ7eI&utm_term=.f37f09157ea5
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1158 on: November 13, 2018, 12:27:36 pm »
The fatal flaw with these right wing guys is that their civil liberties education is so poor they don't seem to be aware that the 5th amendment is available to them.
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1159 on: November 13, 2018, 05:59:41 pm »
Just struck me that it's been a coon dog's age since Rudy has been spinning on TV.
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1160 on: November 13, 2018, 06:03:33 pm »
He's the Mueller response attack dog, and Mueller's gone quiet.

EERILY quiet.  :)
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1161 on: November 13, 2018, 11:22:24 pm »
Let's hope that we'll have "Felony Friday" this week!
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1162 on: November 14, 2018, 07:09:00 pm »
Jeff Flake ties again to be a fake good guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBo9gZSUHY

Too much of a pud to click a link: he says he will not vote to confirm any judicial nominees unless a bill to protect Meuller's investigation is brought to the Senate floor.
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1163 on: November 14, 2018, 07:16:48 pm »
Big tough man now that the Senate is even more Republican. Good thing he retires.

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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1164 on: November 27, 2018, 03:18:57 am »
Oops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/politics/mueller-paul-manafort-cooperation.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Manafort Breached Plea Deal by Repeatedly Lying, Mueller Says

WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, repeatedly lied to federal investigators in breach of a plea agreement he signed two months ago, the special counsel’s office said in a court filing late on Monday.

Prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort’s “crimes and lies” about “a variety of subject matters” relieve them of all promises they made to him in the plea agreement. But under the terms of the agreement, Mr. Manafort cannot withdraw his guilty plea.

Defense lawyers disagreed that Mr. Manafort had violated the deal. In the same filing, they said Mr. Manafort had met repeatedly with the special counsel’s office and “believes he has provided truthful information.”

But given the impasse between the two sides, they asked Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to set a sentencing date for Mr. Manafort, who has been in solitary confinement in a detention center in Alexandria, Va.

The 11th-hour development in Mr. Manafort’s case is a fresh sign of the special counsel’s aggressive approach in investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential race and whether anyone in the Trump campaign knew about or assisted Moscow’s effort.

Striking a plea deal with Mr. Manafort in September potentially gave prosecutors access to information that could prove useful to their investigation. But their filing on Monday, a rare step in a plea deal, suggested that they thought Mr. Manafort was withholding details that could be pertinent to the Russia inquiry or other cases.

The question of whether Mr. Trump might pardon Mr. Manafort for his crimes has loomed over his case since he was first indicted a year ago and has lingered as a possibility. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump broached the prospect of a pardon with one of Mr. Manafort’s lawyers last year, raising questions about whether he was trying to influence Mr. Manafort’s decision about whether to cooperate with investigators.

The filing Monday suggested that prosecutors do not consider Mr. Manafort a credible witness. Even if he has provided information that helps them develop criminal cases, by asserting that he repeatedly lied, they could hardly call him to testify.

Mr. Manafort had hoped that in agreeing to cooperate with Mr. Mueller’s team, prosecutors would argue that he deserved a lighter punishment. He is expected to face at least a decade-long prison term for 10 felony counts including financial fraud and conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Instead, after at least a dozen sessions interrogating him, the special counsel’s prosecutors have not only decided Mr. Manafort does not deserve leniency, but they also could seek to refile other charges that they had agreed to dismiss as part of the plea deal.

The prosecutors did not describe what they said Mr. Manafort lied about, saying they would set forth “the nature of the defendant’s crimes and lies” in an upcoming sentencing memo. The sentencing judge does not have to accept the prosecution’s account at face value, and Mr. Manafort’s lawyers are expected to vigorously contest it.

A jury in Northern Virginia convicted Mr. Manafort, 69, of eight counts of financial fraud in August stemming from his work as a political consultant in Ukraine. The jury deadlocked on 10 other charges.

Faced with a second trial in the District of Columbia on related charges in September, he pleaded guilty to two conspiracy counts and agreed to an open-ended arrangement requiring him to answer “fully, truthfully, completely and forthrightly” questions about “any and all matters” of interest to the government.

It was unclear at that time how much Mr. Manafort had to offer prosecutors. Although he had arguably deeper ties to pro-Russian figures than anyone else connected with the Trump campaign, he had consistently said he had no information against the president. Legal experts suggested that if he had been able to significantly further Mr. Mueller’s inquiry, he could have negotiated a more favorable deal.

As it is, the plea agreement specifies that if prosecutors decide that Mr. Manafort has failed to cooperate fully or “given false, misleading or incomplete information or testimony,” they can prosecute him for crimes to which he did not plead guilty in the District of Columbia. They could also conceivably pursue the 10 charges on which the Virginia jury failed to reach a consensus. Mr. Manafort is scheduled to be sentenced in the Virginia case on Feb. 8.

Mr. Mueller’s investigators have charged a number of former aides to Mr. Trump with lying to them. Three former Trump campaign officials or advisers have pleaded guilty to misleading federal investigators: Michael T. Flynn, Rick Gates and George Papadopoulos, who reported to prison on Monday to serve his 14-day sentence. A Dutch lawyer, Alex van der Zwaan, who had business dealings with Mr. Manafort, also pleaded guilty to lying to the special counsel’s office.

Most recently, Jerome Corsi, a conservative author and friend of the former Trump campaign aide Roger J. Stone Jr., said Mr. Mueller’s team is pressuring him to plead guilty to lying to them about his communications with Mr. Stone about WikiLeaks. Investigators are looking for links between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks, which distributed emails and other documents that Russian agents stole from Democratic computers before the 2016 election.

Mr. Corsi said on Monday that he refused the plea deal because he did not deliberately mislead investigators, but merely forgot about an email chain from two and a half years ago.

In his most recent criticism of the special counsel, Mr. Trump has suggested that prosecutors are frustrated because they cannot produce any evidence against his campaign. “The inner workings of the Mueller investigation are a total mess,” he wrote on Twitter recently.

“They have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts. They are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want,” he declared. “They are a disgrace to our Nation and don’t care how many lives” they ruin.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers responded last week to questions Mr. Mueller had for the president about ties between his campaign and Russia. Among the questions were inquiries about what Mr. Trump knew about Russian offers to Mr. Manafort during the campaign to assist Mr. Trump’s presidential run. The president’s lawyers have declined to discuss what he told Mr. Mueller, and it is not clear whether any of his answers conflicted with what Mr. Manafort told investigators.

Mr. Manafort’s allies have hoped that his sessions with the special counsel would end soon so he could be sentenced and transferred to a federal prison, where conditions are comparatively better than in a local jail. At a recent court hearing in Alexandria, Mr. Manafort came into the courtroom in a wheelchair, his foot wrapped in a white bandage, possibly from an attack of gout.

But few of Mr. Manafort’s friends predicted that his sentencing would be hastened by prosecutors declaring him to be a liar. The development stunned some people close to the White House, as well as legal experts.

“Everybody who lies to Mueller gets called on it — so he had to know that Mueller would catch him. So the question is: What was he hiding that is worse than going to jail for the rest of your life?” said Joyce Vance, a professor of law at the University of Alabama law school and former federal prosecutor. “There are often rocky dealings with a cooperator, and Mueller didn’t cut bait at the first sign of trouble. It was likely more than one lie and this would not have been a minor detail — it had to be something material and significant and intentional.”
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1165 on: November 27, 2018, 06:59:31 am »
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The Phony Witch Hunt continues, but Mueller and his gang of Angry Dems are only looking at one side, not the other. Wait until it comes out how horribly & viciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them refusing to lie. Mueller is a conflicted prosecutor gone rogue....

....The Fake News Media builds Bob Mueller up as a Saint, when in actuality he is the exact opposite. He is doing TREMENDOUS damage to our Criminal Justice System, where he is only looking at one side and not the other. Heroes will come of this, and it won’t be Mueller and his...

....terrible Gang of Angry Democrats. Look at their past, and look where they come from. The now $30,000,000 Witch Hunt continues and they’ve got nothing but ruined lives. Where is the Server? Let these terrible people go back to the Clinton Foundation and “Justice” Department!

*looks at Mueller's credentials*
*looks at Trump's credentials*

Yeah, I guess I'll give Mueller the benefit of the doubt on this one. :P
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1166 on: November 27, 2018, 08:00:00 am »
Still, bad news for Mueller. And very bad news for Manafort, unless he gets pardoned.

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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1167 on: November 27, 2018, 09:54:38 am »
So apparently Manafort met Assange in the embassy around the time he joined the Trump campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy
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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1168 on: November 27, 2018, 09:57:34 am »
Only Dirk Gently can get to the bottom of this.

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Re: The federal indictment/fake news MEGATHREAD
« Reply #1169 on: November 28, 2018, 08:18:12 am »
Still, bad news for Mueller. And very bad news for Manafort, unless he gets pardoned.

This is fantastic for Mueller if he can prove Manafort lied.

If a judge rules that Manafort lied, and Mueller can prove that Manafort coordinated with Trump to make sure their stories matched, and gave those lies to Mueller in the written answers he sent in last week, then mission accomplished.

I mean, the GOP in the senate probably isn't going to do shit, even if the house impeaches Trump, but I don't see what more you could reasonably expect Mueller to do besides proving obstruction of justice and conspiracy.
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