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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 07:00:38 pm »
Are there any advantages to a non-ssd drive?
I know for virtual memory SSD's aren't recommended due to the intense read/write this involves?

I've never come across an M2. So these things are replacing SSDs?

Write instructions slowly destroy SSDs. The more you write to them, the faster they die. That's why conventional wisdom is to keep your OS and frequently used programs on an SSD and everything else (including the swap file) on a traditional HDD.

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
I think your link is disagreeing with the point you're making.  If it's going to take 18 months to brick an SSD while intentionally torturing it with writes, it probably means that write endurance is not something you need to worry about.  Your SSD is going to get outdated before it craps out.

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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2017, 01:01:18 am »
I think your link is disagreeing with the point you're making.  If it's going to take 18 months to brick an SSD while intentionally torturing it with writes, it probably means that write endurance is not something you need to worry about.  Your SSD is going to get outdated before it craps out.

Except they call the page file the swap file for a reason. It's about as close to the worst case as you can get in drive operations, because it's constantly reallocating memory clusters. If it takes a year and a half to brick an SSD with a burn-in, I wouldn't be surprised for it to brick in about 2-3 years if it's being used for a swap file.
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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2017, 07:19:29 pm »
I think your link is disagreeing with the point you're making.  If it's going to take 18 months to brick an SSD while intentionally torturing it with writes, it probably means that write endurance is not something you need to worry about.  Your SSD is going to get outdated before it craps out.

Except they call the page file the swap file for a reason. It's about as close to the worst case as you can get in drive operations, because it's constantly reallocating memory clusters. If it takes a year and a half to brick an SSD with a burn-in, I wouldn't be surprised for it to brick in about 2-3 years if it's being used for a swap file.
It's not like your entire drive is being used for a swap file.  Maybe 5% of it is at any time.  And Windows is pretty good at figuring out what to put into a swap file so it doesn't need to be rewritten all the time.  SSD or HDD, performance would really suck if there really was any significant swapping.

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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2017, 02:06:58 pm »
It's not like your entire drive is being used for a swap file.  Maybe 5% of it is at any time.  And Windows is pretty good at figuring out what to put into a swap file so it doesn't need to be rewritten all the time.  SSD or HDD, performance would really suck if there really was any significant swapping.

:rolleyes: Thank you for enlightening me. It's not like I just graduated with a computer science degree. Or am probably the only person on this board who has had to actually document the changes in how the swap file works between Windows 7 and Windows 8. Or work in a business where resolving drive issues is our second-biggest source of revenue (which will become number one, since less and less people want to pay for screen replacements for cheap laptops, and expect phone screens to be replaced for pennies on the dollar).
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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2017, 08:11:48 pm »
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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2017, 08:13:41 pm »
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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2017, 08:24:48 pm »
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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2017, 11:03:25 pm »
It's not like your entire drive is being used for a swap file.  Maybe 5% of it is at any time.  And Windows is pretty good at figuring out what to put into a swap file so it doesn't need to be rewritten all the time.  SSD or HDD, performance would really suck if there really was any significant swapping.

:rolleyes: Thank you for enlightening me. It's not like I just graduated with a computer science degree. Or am probably the only person on this board who has had to actually document the changes in how the swap file works between Windows 7 and Windows 8. Or work in a business where resolving drive issues is our second-biggest source of revenue (which will become number one, since less and less people want to pay for screen replacements for cheap laptops, and expect phone screens to be replaced for pennies on the dollar).
I don't care what your personal expertise is, frankly.  If anything, the more you think you know about a certain subject, the more prone you are to spouting off some disjoint utter nonsense.

The internet is full of people with expertise in these matters, you're not the only one around, and collectively they know much more than any one person.  It's pretty much accepted by now that "no page file on SSD" advice is way outdated, and not supported by the math of how much actually gets written per day to page file.

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Re: Possibly need a new Hard Drive
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2017, 11:22:26 am »
If you install a secondary hard drive do you need to install an OP for that one as well?  All I really want to do is play Warhammer
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