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World War Tweet: The Megaton Thread!

Started by CountDeMoney, December 22, 2016, 02:19:40 PM

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11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Liep

#31
Quote from: 11B4V on December 28, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
Did he just thank himself.....

He's on a thank me tour.

Quote‏@realDonaldTrump  Dec 27
The world was gloomy before I won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

And Obama is not helping

Quote@realDonaldTrump  22m
Doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory President O statements and roadblocks.Thought it was going to be a smooth transition - NOT!
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk


Valmy

Huh. Never thought I would see the President use catchphrases from Wayne's World.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2016, 04:54:53 PM
Huh. Never thought I would see the President use catchphrases from Wayne's World.

#PutinDreamweaver

jimmy olsen

Mostly obvious analysis, but it's sad that this will soon by our reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/26/could-trump-help-unleash-nuclear-catastrophe-with-a-single-tweet/?utm_term=.911b43f80813
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Could Trump help unleash nuclear catastrophe with a single tweet?

By Greg Sargent
December 26  

Donald Trump's alarming Tweet about his desire to "greatly strengthen and expand" the "nuclear capability" of the United States unleashed a frenzy of media efforts to try to divine his actual policy intentions. It forced some of his advisers into tortured claims that Trump didn't say what he actually said, even as others simultaneously insisted that Trump did meaningfully put other countries on notice that if he deems them to be challenging our supremacy, they will face an arms race.

But perhaps the most worrisome thing about Trump's nuclear Tweet is not the intention to break with decades of international disarmament efforts that it may have signaled, though that's frightening enough on its own. Rather, it's that he saw fit to Tweet about nuclear weapons at all.

As we prepare for President Trump to take near-unchecked control of our nuclear machinery, his nuclear Tweet is best seen as a window into his temperament. Trump still does not appreciate that every word he utters carries tremendous weight and could have dramatic, untold, far-reaching, unpredictable consequences — something that is especially true in the nuclear arena. Or, perhaps worse, Trump may be entirely indifferent to this fact.

President-elect Donald Trump has called nuclear weapons "the single greatest problem the world has" – but he's also made some controversial statements about them.  (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)

Arms control experts I spoke with suggested that Trump's willingness to Tweet about nuclear weapons raises the possibility of Trump doing the same as president — and more to the point, the possibility of him doing so amid some species of international crisis or escalation.

Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear non-proliferation expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, points out that in peacetime, any belligerent Trump Tweet about nuclear weapons might not appear as alarming, simply because "confirmation bias" might lead key actors not to interpret it in its most frightening light at that moment. Amid rising international tensions, though, that confirmation bias might work in the other direction, he says.

"Imagine we're in a crisis — if he recklessly Tweets, people could read these things in the worst possible light," Lewis tells me. "The North Koreans have a plan to use nuclear weapons very early in a conflict. They're not going to wait around. If they think we are going, they're going to use nuclear weapons against South Korea and Japan."

Some reports have indicated that President Obama privately told Trump that one of the greatest national security predicaments he will face as president is North Korea's escalating nuclear potential. But Trump's Tweet suggests an inability to appreciate that Twitter is far too blunt instrument to handle dangerously sensitive, complex international challenges, and indeed could lead to misunderstandings — and potential catastrophe.

As a potential example, Lewis points out that earlier this year, Trump said he would handle the North Korean nuclear threat by getting China to make North Korean leader Kim Jong Un "disappear." Lewis notes that imprecise language in an errant, bellicose Trump Tweet — particularly amid rising tensions — could conceivably amount to an "accidental assassination threat."

"Imagine if the North Koreans are looking for any signs that we're about to attack as their signal that they have to go," says Lewis, adding that if Trump "says the wrong thing" and "gives the impression that we're about to act," the North Koreans might "decide not to wait around to find out if that's true or not," and might hit "targets throughout South Korea and Japan where U.S. military forces are stationed."

In this telling, Lewis notes, it's possible to envision some kind of ambiguous Tweet — such as, "we've gotta get rid of this guy" — unleashing untold consequences. Alternatively, Lewis argues, it's possible to envision a rash Trump Tweet locking the U.S. into an untenable position by "closing off the president's ability to back down or compromise," rather than preserving maneuvering room, making peaceful resolution harder.

More broadly, journalist Eric Schlosser has a compelling piece in the New Yorker that documents the history of how technological dysfunction, as well as human imperfection and folly, have at times almost led to nuclear catastrophe. Schlosser argues that Trump's Tweet, combined with escalating rhetoric from American politicians towards Vladimir Putin, and Putin's own increasingly bellicose nuclear talk, all combine to boost "the danger of miscalculations and mistakes."

It should be obvious that Trump's use of Twitter would be unlikely to alleviate that danger.

Twitter "is a tool of provocation and belligerence in the hands of Donald Trump," Bruce Blair, a nuclear policy specialist at Princeton University, tells me, adding that it's easy to envision Trump Tweeting a warning to another world leader that "if you do this or that, you'll be sorry."

Blair says the worry isn't necessarily that a single Trump Tweet might alone unleash nuclear catastrophe, but rather that one could very well exacerbate an already-existing situation in far worse ways than otherwise might have happened. Which, when you think about it, isn't a particularly reassuring distinction.

"Almost any threat could be perceived as warranting some sort of response that's not only rhetorical, but operational," Blair tells me. In a reference to Soviet leader Lenoid Brezhnev, Blair added: "Brezhnev in 1973 threatened to intervene in the Arab-Israeli conflict. That triggered the United States under Nixon to respond by going on nuclear alert. We went to Defcon 3. Words and threats have consequences in the nuclear operations world, and can instigate a cycle of escalation that spins out of control."




All this could be made a lot worse if Trump goes through with conducting "nuclear diplomacy by Twitter," Blair said.

And so, whatever Trump's actual intentions for our nuclear arsenal and the future of international disarmament efforts, his willingness to use Twitter to posture and chest-thump around nuclear matters should itself stir urgent concern. This will be particularly true if it holds over into situations involving escalating tensions.

In fact, one thing that Trump and his advisers should be pressed to answer right now is whether Trump will put his Twitter feed on ice in such situations. Given what we've seen from Trump thus far, there's simply no reason to assume that he will be so inclined.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

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Jet: I see.
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11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Admiral Yi


CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on December 28, 2016, 07:29:56 PM
Fearmongering.

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MATTHEWS: Where would we drop — where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East?
TRUMP: Let me explain. Let me explain.  Somebody hits us within ISIS — you wouldn`t fight back with a nuke?

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MATTHEWS: They`re hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons. Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.
TRUMP: Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?

He's a counter puncher, remember.

The Brain

He's got good points well made. Producing for the shelf is insane.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

mongers

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2016, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 28, 2016, 07:29:56 PM
Fearmongering.

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MATTHEWS: Where would we drop — where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East?
TRUMP: Let me explain. Let me explain.  Somebody hits us within ISIS — you wouldn`t fight back with a nuke?

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MATTHEWS: They`re hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons. Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.
TRUMP: Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?

He's a counter puncher, remember.

Giving Trump the key to the nuclear arsenal certainly puts into perspective all that talk 14-15 years ago, of 30 minute sneak attacks and Saddam being a dangerous madman.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

CountDeMoney

You think he goes nuclear now over pageant contestants from 10 years ago, smart-assed restaurant reviews and lowly midwestern union types, wait until he sees the first few hotels and casinos with his name on them as a pile of rubble overseas and his Lyndon LaRouche conspiracy guys telling him whose fault it is.


Liep

So this is the first tweet that I've seen Trump pin so it must be an important message for him to convey:

QuotePinned Tweet
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  2h2 hours ago
Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!

Next tweet: "China is our biggest geopolitical foe. Look at global warming. Sad!"?
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

CountDeMoney


Berkut

Not beyond the pale.

He still has spiceys support.

We should give him a chance!
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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