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World War Tweet: The Megaton Thread!

Started by CountDeMoney, December 22, 2016, 02:19:40 PM

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And yeah.

QuoteDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

HVC

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Hubris must be punished. Severely.

viper37

Quote from: HVC on December 22, 2016, 02:31:22 PM
lol. it'd be funny if it wasn't reality
well, he's the one who was in favour of nuclear proliferation during the campaign.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
And yeah.

QuoteDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

I liked that one. Got CNN all hot and frothy. Entertains!
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Quote from: Ed Anger on December 22, 2016, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
And yeah.

QuoteDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

I liked that one. Got CNN all hot and frothy. Entertains!

Foreign policy via Twitter. Awesome. This ought to cut new ground. Has it been overstated enough that this guy is an idiot.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 22, 2016, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
And yeah.

QuoteDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

I liked that one. Got CNN all hot and frothy. Entertains!

Then you'll appreciate the ad hoc interview with Sean Spicer just now on Morning Joe, when Trump called in and spoke to Mika Brzezinski during the commercial break to clarify yesterday's tweet--

"Let it be an arms race.  We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all."

How positively 1958.

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CountDeMoney

QuoteWashington Post
The Fix
A tense new battle over nuclear arms erupts between Donald Trump and his staff
By Philip Bump
December 23

It began, it seems, with a speech from Vladimir Putin on Thursday, during which the Russian president argued that his country's nuclear arsenal needed to be upgraded. In short order a tense two-day stand-off began -- between Donald Trump and the communications staffers on his transition team.

Trump weighs in.

Trump's initial comment about nuclear proliferation was clear in its intent if vague in its boundaries.

    The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 22, 2016

"The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability" is not subtle, implying that as president Trump aims to match whatever it is that Russia does. That, as we pointed out on Thursday, means a new nuclear arms race, contravening decades of American foreign policy.

His team pushes back.

Not so fast, though. On Thursday afternoon, transition spokesman Jason Miller sent out a statement about Trump's declaration.

"President-elect Trump was referring to the threat of nuclear proliferation and the critical need to prevent it---particularly to and among terrorist organizations and unstable and rogue regimes," Miller wrote in an email to The Post. "He has also emphasized the need to improve and modernize our deterrent capability as a vital way to pursue peace through strength."

"[T]he threat of nuclear proliferation and the critical need to prevent it" is language that comports with existing policy -- but it does not comport with what Trump himself said. The word "expand" is hard to avoid, but in the spirit of generosity one might allow that the president-elect misspoke on Twitter.

Trump suggests he meant what he said.

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Friday, co-host Mika Brzezinski reported on a conversation she'd had directly with Trump.

    BREAKING: Trump to #morningjoe on the nukes tweet: 'Let it be an arms race' https://t.co/X9FMNtgKPK

    — Morning Joe (@Morning_Joe) December 23, 2016

    CO-HOST JOE SCARBOROUGH: The president-elect told you what?

    BRZEZINSKI: "Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass."

    SCARBOROUGH: "And outlast them all."

    BRZEZINSKI: "And outlast them all."

    SCARBOROUGH: OK. You can put that down as breaking news.

The conversation continued with the question of whether Trump was simply posturing in order to seem unpredictable. The Post's David Ignatius, who was part of that discussion, noted that it was more likely that Trump was reverting to his old pattern: Being criticized for something he'd said and then doubling down on it in response.

The transition team assures us he didn't mean what he said.

The conversation moved to NBC proper, where "Today" show host Matt Lauer spoke with Sean Spicer, recently identified as the incoming White House press secretary.

Lauer quoted Trump's tweet.

    LAUER: "Expand." Explain it.

    SPICER: Well, the tweet continues -- unless other countries come to their senses." And I think the point that he's making is we're not going to sit back as a country and allow other countries to expand their nuclear capability with the U.S. just sitting idly by. This president is going to take action; he's going to make sure that American interests are protected.

Let's interrupt briefly to point out that this is, by definition, an arms race. We will match what others do in terms of developing nuclear arsenals. That's it. Arms race.

This wasn't lost on Lauer.

    LAUER: This president then is going to reverse 40 years of policy in this country where presidents since Ronald Reagan pledged to reduce the number of nuclear weapons and warheads we had.

    SPICER: Right, but we're not going to sit back, Matt, and let other nations threaten our safety. If another country wants to expand their nuclear capability, the U.S. is not going to sit back and idly by. But just to be clear: The president isn't saying we're going to do this. He said unless they come to their senses. It's a warning to them that this president's going to take action.

Lauer then quoted Trump's remarks to Brzezinski.

    SPICER: Other countries need to be put on notice that he's not going to sit back and allow them to undermine our safety, our sovereignty. He is going to match other countries and take action.

    LAUER: Was this a knee-jerk reaction, a shoot-from-the-hip reaction to Vladimir Putin yesterday saying that he plans to fortify the Russian nuclear arsenal?

    SPICER: There's been several countries, Russia among them, that have talked about expanding their nuclear capability. The point that he was making was very clear: Other countries that want to threaten U.S. safety, are not going to sit back and allow this country to not act.

    LAUER: But if there's going to be an arms race ...

    SPICER: There's not going to be! Because he's going to ensure that other countries get the message that he's not going to sit back and allow that. And what's going to happen is, they will come to their senses and we will all be just fine.

It is hard to reconcile "he is going to match other countries and take action" with "there's not going to be [a nuclear arms race]." The hair is too thin to split. Promising to engage in a nuclear arms race is not rejecting the idea of a nuclear arms race. Arms races begin when countries promise to engage in them.

Spicer and Miller are caught in the middle between what Trump is saying and what Trump's team wants him to say. As with all great conflicts, this one defies easy resolution.

mongers

Is it technically possible for all of his tweets to be automatically posted into a stickied 'Wit and Wisdom of President Trump' thread on January?

Somewhere we can all come and laugh our asses off and cry into our collective tea?  :bowler:
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Liep

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  2h2 hours ago
As to the U.N., things will be different after Jan. 20th.

Does he allude to making UN great (again) or to make them hate on Israel less? :P
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Kissinger is either now having spontaneous ejaculations or on the verge of a cardiac arrest and altering his will to request a rotation function be built into the casket.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

The Brain

When the last boomers have died off we can launch a first strike.
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merithyn

Quote from: The Brain on December 23, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
When the last boomers have died off we can launch a first strike.

It's a fucking Boomer doing this to us.  <_<

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I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

CountDeMoney

Quote from: The Brain on December 23, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
When the last boomers have died off we can launch a first strike.

The boomers preserve our second strike capability.

Admiral Yi

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 23, 2016, 05:39:03 PM
The boomers preserve our second strike capability.

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