2017 impeachment - because it's never too early

[Berkut]

From a strictly policy standpoint, Trump is actually the least scary Republican in the lot, since he isn't really a Republican at all.

Exactly. The idea of President Pence is frankly horrifying.

....but the things that make Trump horrifying have nothing to do with policy, so it isn't like he is actually better.

If he decides to nuke Iran because he just doesn't like them, the fact that it isn't motivated by some ideology won't make it any better.

[Hamilcar]

If he decides to nuke Iran because he just doesn't like them, the fact that it isn't motivated by some ideology won't make it any better.

I want to believe that the people in the armed forces wouldn't let him do that.

[CountDeMoney]

The idea of President Pence is frankly horrifying.

Creationism, conversion therapy, and criminalization of abortion?  What could happen?

[Berkut]

If he decides to nuke Iran because he just doesn't like them, the fact that it isn't motivated by some ideology won't make it any better.

I want to believe that the people in the armed forces wouldn't let him do that.

I want to believe that as well, but my wanting doesn't make it so.

Plus, he could very well be well within his rights and powers as POTUS to do so.

Let's imagine another 9/11 size attack on the US, and it is traced back to some radical group somehow connected to Iran.

Nuking them would be a terrible response, but arguably within a President's power to decide to respond with...

I think the military might refuse a clearly ridiculous order to nuke someone, but would they refuse a merely grossly over-reacting order? Or just a bad idea?

What if he was in charge after 9/11, and he decided that the correct response to Afghanistan refusing to hand over bin Laden was not an invasion, but a limited nuclear strike on the Taliban leadership?

That is a rather astoundingly bad idea - but is it clearly illegal and a valid cause for a refusal to follow that order?

[Hamilcar]

The idea of President Pence is frankly horrifying.

Creationism, conversion therapy, and criminalization of abortion?  What could happen?

US Navy replaced with Arks.

[Valmy]

The difference was that Siege was the only such loon we had on the right whereas we seem to have many on the left.

Who? Name them. Don't be a bitch if you can help it. God damn it. I remember I asked you to stop this bullshit and you said 'fair enough'. I thought that meant you understood what I was saying, instead it just meant 'fuck you Valmy'. Whatever.

Learn to live in a democracy, Jesus Christ.

Because talking about an election involving Ted Cruz is anti-Democratic? Despite what you may be hoping for we will get another election in a couple years.

[Martinus]

Who? Name them.

CdM. garbon. Zoupa. Tim.

[Eddie Teach]

And Valmy. J'accuse!

[CountDeMoney]

If he decides to nuke Iran because he just doesn't like them, the fact that it isn't motivated by some ideology won't make it any better.

I want to believe that the people in the armed forces wouldn't let him do that.

Kinda defeats the purpose of having a military subordinate to civilian rule we have here in Constitutionland.

[dps]

Who? Name them.

CdM. garbon. Zoupa. Tim.

That's not entirely fair.  Seedy is mostly just trolling us (I think/hope), garbon's not a loon, and Timmay's moronic posting isn't limited to politics.

[CountDeMoney]

Let's imagine another 9/11 size attack on the US, and it is traced back to some radical group somehow connected to Iran.

Considering the Iraq War of 2003, we've established we can pretty much trace anything back to anyone we want and get away with it.

[dps]

If he decides to nuke Iran because he just doesn't like them, the fact that it isn't motivated by some ideology won't make it any better.

You say that like nuking Iran would be a bad thing.

[Oexmelin]

Yes it would. It would be a bad thing now. I can't imagine how much of a bad thing it would be in the context of Trump's "foreign policy".

[mongers]

Yes it would. It would be a bad thing now. I can't imagine how much of a bad thing it would be in the context of Trump's "foreign policy".

Maybe Trumps 'foreign policy' will be foreign to him too?

[saskganesh]

Who? Name them.

CdM. garbon. Zoupa. Tim.

Wow. Those guys are only leftists if one is so far to the right, one can't see the centre.