Archaeologists do it in holes: Tales from the stratigraphy

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Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2020, 06:23:08 AM
QuoteHowever, there is no evidence that people were coerced into doing the work

Out of curiosity, to what extent is such evidence typically... er... in evidence at other ancient sites?
mass graves for slaves, maybe?
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Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2020, 06:23:08 AM
QuoteHowever, there is no evidence that people were coerced into doing the work

Out of curiosity, to what extent is such evidence typically... er... in evidence at other ancient sites?
mass graves for slaves, maybe?
Or accommodation - I don't think they found any dwellings?
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Quote from: Sheilbh on June 09, 2020, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2020, 06:23:08 AM
QuoteHowever, there is no evidence that people were coerced into doing the work

Out of curiosity, to what extent is such evidence typically... er... in evidence at other ancient sites?
mass graves for slaves, maybe?
Or accommodation - I don't think they found any dwellings?

My understanding is that it can be difficult to distinguish between graves or dwellings of the poor and those of slaves, at ancient sites.
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Quote from: The Brain on June 09, 2020, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 09, 2020, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2020, 06:23:08 AM
QuoteHowever, there is no evidence that people were coerced into doing the work

Out of curiosity, to what extent is such evidence typically... er... in evidence at other ancient sites?
mass graves for slaves, maybe?
Or accommodation - I don't think they found any dwellings?

My understanding is that it can be difficult to distinguish between graves or dwellings of the poor and those of slaves, at ancient sites.

And so what does the absence of either tell you?

The Brain

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 09, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 09, 2020, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 09, 2020, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2020, 06:23:08 AM
QuoteHowever, there is no evidence that people were coerced into doing the work

Out of curiosity, to what extent is such evidence typically... er... in evidence at other ancient sites?
mass graves for slaves, maybe?
Or accommodation - I don't think they found any dwellings?

My understanding is that it can be difficult to distinguish between graves or dwellings of the poor and those of slaves, at ancient sites.

And so what does the absence of either tell you?

Often that the dwellings of the poor or of slaves left no archaeological record or haven't been found yet, and that their burial practices either resulted in little archaeological record or that the graves haven't been found yet.
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crazy canuck

Ah, so it must have been slave labour because no evidence of slaves has been found.


The Brain

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 09, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
Ah, so it must have been slave labour because no evidence of slaves has been found.

Sorry, I don't follow. What are you talking about?
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2487-2

QuoteNative American gene flow into Polynesia predating Easter Island settlement

The possibility of voyaging contact between prehistoric Polynesian and Native American populations has long intrigued researchers. Proponents have pointed to the existence of New World crops, such as the sweet potato and bottle gourd, in the Polynesian archaeological record, but nowhere else outside the pre-Columbian Americas1,2,3,4,5,6, while critics have argued that these botanical dispersals need not have been human mediated7. The Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl controversially suggested that prehistoric South American populations had an important role in the settlement of east Polynesia and particularly of Easter Island (Rapa Nui)2. Several limited molecular genetic studies have reached opposing conclusions, and the possibility continues to be as hotly contested today as it was when first suggested8,9,10,11,12. Here we analyse genome-wide variation in individuals from islands across Polynesia for signs of Native American admixture, analysing 807 individuals from 17 island populations and 15 Pacific coast Native American groups. We find conclusive evidence for prehistoric contact of Polynesian individuals with Native American individuals (around AD 1200) contemporaneous with the settlement of remote Oceania13,14,15. Our analyses suggest strongly that a single contact event occurred in eastern Polynesia, before the settlement of Rapa Nui, between Polynesian individuals and a Native American group most closely related to the indigenous inhabitants of present-day Colombia.

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Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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The Brain

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jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Sheilbh

QuoteLost medieval sacristy uncovered at Westminster Abbey
Remains of hundreds of bodies also discovered at site used as burial ground for monks


The skeleton of monk discovered at Westminster Abbey, London. Photograph: Westminster Abbey
Mark Brown Arts correspondent
Sun 23 Aug 2020 13.40 BST
Last modified on Sun 23 Aug 2020 20.37 BST

A lost medieval sacristy used by 13th-century monks has been uncovered in the grounds of Westminster Abbey along with the bones of hundreds, if not thousands, of buried bodies.

"You do have to be careful where you're walking," said archaeologist Chris Mayo, pointing to a fragment of skull poking out of the sandy soil. "You can see from the ground there are burials everywhere."

Mayo has led a team working on one of the abbey's biggest archaeological projects, one that has had the aim of uncovering the foundations of the Great Sacristy on its North Green, facing the busy Victoria Street.

The sacristy was built in the 1250s by Henry III during his reconstruction of the abbey that was built by Edward the Confessor.


It was the place where monks kept their vestments, altar linens, chalices and other sacred items used in mass.


Detail from a painting by Pietro Fabris showing the former Great Sacristy at the centre. Photograph: Westminster Abbey

Before that the site was used as a burial ground for monks, one of whom – still in remarkable condition – has been carefully and temporarily uncovered in his chalk-lined grave by the archaeological team.

The sacristy was repurposed as a domestic dwelling and in 1740, being in a perilous state, it was demolished. (<_<)

It was later uncovered and recorded in 1869 in a project directed by the celebrated architect Sir George Gilbert Scott whose buildings include the Midland Grand Hotel at St Pancras station in London. At the time he was the Abbey's Surveyor of the Fabric.

The team from Pre-Construct Archaeology has been working since January, with a three-month lockdown break, to understand the site better as part of a wider building project.

Authorities at the abbey want to construct a building on the site to house new welcoming, ticketing and security facilities, which they say will allow visitors to enter through the grand Great West Door, the entrance used by monarchs and royal brides but not the public.

To build on the site, the abbey wanted to fully understand the medieval footprint – hence the dig.

As the dig nears completion and before the site is covered, the Guardian was invited along to take a look. Mayo said the aim of fully exposing and recording the superstructure of the Great Sacristy had been achieved with the foundations clearly revealed.


Much had been learned and discovered with one significant find being a stoup, or basin, which was probably used by monks in Edward the Confessor's church to wash their hands as they entered. It was found upturned and reused in the 13th-century foundations.

Other finds include a lead pipe, which would have supplied water to the monastery and probably dates from the 13th century.

Many fragments of medieval painted wall plaster have been found, suggesting the walls of the Great Sacristy were decorated with handpainted red, white and black flowers.

The team also found a large number of 18th-century domestic objects, including china plates, chamber pots, glass drinking vessels and an assortment of combs and brushes.

Not surprisingly given its past as a known burial ground before the sacristy and during the 18th century, lots of human remains have been discovered.

There must be "hundreds if not thousands", Mayo said, adding "this will be the case right the way across the Abbey site. Ultimately the Abbey's grounds once went much further still... this whole area was awash with burials. If you dug a hole underneath the supreme court you'd find a few burials as well."

As with many archaeological digs there have also been moments of excitement, followed by juddering letdown.

A stacked grave was found leading to speculation that it could be some of the regicides, the men involved in the execution of Charles I whose bodies Charles II ordered to be taken from the abbey and thrown in a pit. Unfortunately the dates meant that was not possible.

The discovery of an impressive medieval sarcophagus also raised hopes that the team could have found the remains of someone in charge of the Great Sacristy.

"What we've found is that the individual has been taken out and the sarcophagus has been re-used as a drain," said a disappointed Mayo. "It does take some of the gloss off."

Edit: Although - query if these graves were "lost" if they've been known for 300 years :hmm:
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Quote from: Sheilbh on August 24, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
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Edit: Although - query if these graves were "lost" if they've been known for 300 years :hmm:

Empirically known, perhaps.

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