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Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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Zoupa

I don't understand Raz's point, apart from the usual "I hate France and let's mock them'.

Every modern language has dictionaries  :huh:  L'Académie Francaise publishes a dictionary. Nobody cares much.

You'd be hard pressed to find it in any french home. We usually prefer Larousse or Le Robert.

The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.

Chill.

viper37

Quote from: Zoupa on June 28, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.
He was wondering in another thread if he soon could be a politician.  Impervious to facts as he is, I guess he's ready.
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grumbler

Quote from: Zoupa on June 28, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
I don't understand Raz's point, apart from the usual "I hate France and let's mock them'.

Every modern language has dictionaries  :huh:  L'Académie Francaise publishes a dictionary. Nobody cares much.

You'd be hard pressed to find it in any french home. We usually prefer Larousse or Le Robert.

The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.

Chill.

France has passed laws (Quebec has, as well, I believe) regulating the use of language in signs and advertising (though I don't remember all the details).  Raz may be confusing such actual government action with the work of the Academy.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
France has passed laws (Quebec has, as well, I believe) regulating the use of language in signs and advertising (though I don't remember all the details).  Raz may be confusing such actual government action with the work of the Academy.

What sort of laws? Is this bar in Paris going to shut down? Will they be shocked SHOCKED to see English being printed here?

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

What is that abomination, Las Vegas petit?

Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 28, 2016, 11:17:33 PM
What is that abomination, Las Vegas petit?

They have tacky American bars all over Euroland.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

Christ, no wonder they consider us a vapid empty culture.  Only thing worse than an unimaginative franchise bar restaurant is a shitty fucking replica of an unimaginative franchise bar restaurant.

grumbler

Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2016, 11:15:25 PM

What sort of laws?

Google is your friend.

QuoteIs this bar in Paris going to shut down?

Some day, yes it will.  No business lasts forever.

QuoteWill they be shocked SHOCKED to see English being printed here?



No, because they don't shock.  They are robots.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

Quote from: viper37 on June 28, 2016, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2016, 01:12:05 PM
This is true.  There were not, however hundreds of thousands of Sioux speakers, and there was not millions of French speakers.  The treatment of native Americans is very much a crime.  The French speakers simply vanished due to increased immigration.
There was roughly 2.5 million Americans, white and mostly protestants, English speaking people at the time of your independance.  You have to keep proportions in sight.  Also, indians did not have census of their own, so we need to keep things in proportion.  The American government pursued of policy of extermination and assimilation of indians, that is a fact.  French speakers were also forced assimilated in areas they were settled.  Not that many French speakers in Detroit today, or neither in Lowell, MA.

It's true that these Indians didn't have a census, because they lived in a stone age culture.  The largest movement of Indians was the trail of tears, which saw the forced migration of 16,000 Indians ( of various tribes) over a period of two decades.  At the time were between 15 million and 23 million people living in the US.  The part of about the French being forced to assimilate you just made up.  Missouri had French speakers, but they number never numbered more then a few thousand (of course they weren't speaking real French but a Patois, and their language would have been forcibly eliminated by the French government.  When the US purchased the Louisiana territory it was thought to have seven million inhabitants, maybe 10,000 of them were French.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on June 28, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
I don't understand Raz's point, apart from the usual "I hate France and let's mock them'.

Every modern language has dictionaries  :huh:  L'Académie Francaise publishes a dictionary. Nobody cares much.

You'd be hard pressed to find it in any french home. We usually prefer Larousse or Le Robert.

The main use of the dictionary in France is to see if you can actually play that word in Scrabble. It's not a tool of the fascist state dude.

Chill.

France has passed laws (Quebec has, as well, I believe) regulating the use of language in signs and advertising (though I don't remember all the details).  Raz may be confusing such actual government action with the work of the Academy.

Not to mention sometimes the government disagrees the Académie in language matters, last time for PC reasons e.g "feminisation".

Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 11:23:47 PM
Google is your friend.

Yeah ok. Bring up some bullshit and then demand I do your research for you.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2016, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 11:23:47 PM
Google is your friend.

Yeah ok. Bring up some bullshit and then demand I do your research for you.

He didn't bring up any bullshit / we've already discussed at length signage laws in Quebec.
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Valmy

Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2016, 08:45:18 AM
He didn't bring up any bullshit / we've already discussed at length signage laws in Quebec.

Oh so I should bring up Australian laws when discussing how things work in Scotland? Because we were talking about France.

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2016, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2016, 11:23:47 PM
Google is your friend.

Yeah ok. Bring up some bullshit and then demand I do your research for you.

I don't demand anything. Research or remain ignorant; it is all the same to me.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

Oh Christ, Someone was going on about how Welfare equals socialism, I pointed out that the Roman empire had welfare and it wasn't socialist.  Then some one says they were in fact a socialist country.  Because "Central bank + Rule by Law + Democracy = Socialism"  It's difficult to fail to describe the Roman empire so thoroughly.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017