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Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on February 18, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery so unless you consider blacks not wanting to be slaves a "special interest group", the claim that the Democratic Party has always been like described in the quote is just incorrect.

Like I said on Facebook, I may be a fan of modern day Germany, but I wouldn't say that "Germany has always been a force for peace and tolerance in Europe". Only an idiot would say that.

I can't read what you say on Facebook because someone put me on their ignore list.  Truman was talking in the context of the late 1940's.  Truman was also the guy who desegregated the US army, and put the Democratic party on the path of desegregation.
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garbon

Quote from: Razgovory on February 18, 2016, 04:35:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 18, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery so unless you consider blacks not wanting to be slaves a "special interest group", the claim that the Democratic Party has always been like described in the quote is just incorrect.

Like I said on Facebook, I may be a fan of modern day Germany, but I wouldn't say that "Germany has always been a force for peace and tolerance in Europe". Only an idiot would say that.

I can't read what you say on Facebook because someone put me on their ignore list.  Truman was talking in the context of the late 1940's.  Truman was also the guy who desegregated the US army, and put the Democratic party on the path of desegregation.

Then one shouldn't say 'It always has been and always will be.' I don't disagree with that statement but isn't something that I would be proudly championing if I had even a passing knowledge of the 19th century.
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Quote from: Martinus on February 18, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
That's just not true - the Democratic Party supported slavery
Any statements tying history of racial relations to the party is bound to be a lie by half-truth.  Over the last 70 or so years, there has been a gradual but ultimately complete exchange between the parties.  Blacks went over to Democrats, and racists and segregationists went over to Republicans.  From the cynical point of view, if you judge only by political power gained, Republicans got the better end of the deal.

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on February 18, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
the Democratic Party supported slavery

The Democratic Party was the party that represented the 'Rights of the White Man' in the 19th century. Or at least that was their branding. Which you have to admit is good branding when only white men can vote.

But then they became the party of the immigrants in the north...and from there the party of the workers...and from there the leftist party. So branding and ideology changes over time.
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Just from my own learning, "It always has been and always will be." is pretty much a ritual statement that is a rhetorical device used to undermine the emotion of the ritual.  It is fundamentally true, because it is true at that moment.  Rarely are ritual truths absolutely true.  It is the role of the ritual leader to steer the emotion and the direction of the ritual outcome.

More indication that Truman knew, at least on a gut level, what it took to be a leader.
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Martinus

This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

QuoteRoy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?

Jaron

Quote from: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:51:38 AM
This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

QuoteRoy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?

How is it NOT?
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Martinus

So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Phillip V

Quote from: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 01:52:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:51:38 AM
This time, from the official Daily Show blurb:

QuoteRoy Wood, Jr. investigates racism in the adult film industry, from degrading ethnic stereotypes to white women refusing to work with African-American men.

What the fuck? How is that racism?

How is it NOT?

Black man on white woman porn seems to be made to be quite physically punishing.  I can understand why (white) women would want to avoid that line of work, just as some refuse to do other sex acts.

My moral outrage is that Asian men are never cast.

sbr

Quote from: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:56:17 AM
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Yes because the decision is based on race.  :huh:

Jaron

Quote from: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:56:17 AM
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Martinus

Not every decision based on race is racist - especially when it comes to sexual attraction and intercourse where absolute autonomy of an individual has to be respected. Some people prefer members of their own race - others the opposite - neither is racism. Some people are attracted to younger partners and some to older - that is not ageism either. Some people like their partners slim, others plushy - that's not body shaming. Some people actually prefer to have sex with transgendered representatives of their prefered sex - others prefer cis partners - that's not transphobia.

Martinus

Quote from: Jaron on February 22, 2016, 02:10:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 22, 2016, 01:56:17 AM
So a woman can always say no and has full autonomy over her body - except when she refuses to have sex with a black guy - then she is racist?

Its her job.

Err no. She has a right to refuse to have sex with anyone she wants.

Martinus

I wouldn't have sex with Oscar Pistorius - and this is a decision (but not discrimination) based purely on his disability which just makes him lack something I find attractive (he is hot though so if he had legs I wouldnt bat an eye or mind him being a murderer).