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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6375 on: September 09, 2020, 02:34:32 pm »
Surprisingly nuanced article for Vice.  They do point out that it's all just a matter of discretion, which police have all the time anyways.  And the last thing you'd ever want is for police to not have any discretion in laying charges.
The problem with police discretion is that so many cops are unaware that there is such a thing as abuse of discretion.  Discretion is meant to deal with unique circumstances of individual cases that can't practically be covered by policy without introducing undesirable outcomes.  Discretion is not meant to allow every cop to set their own policy, such as what classes of people will be subject to enforcement and what classes of people won't be.  Maybe the last thing you want is for police to not have any discretion, but the next to last thing you want is police that interprets discretion as arbitrariness.  Actually, I'm not sure which one is the last one and which one is the next to last one.  :hmm:

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6376 on: September 10, 2020, 11:57:22 am »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6377 on: September 10, 2020, 11:59:08 am »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?

This is not an uncommon fate for cop killers. Unconstitutional, of course, they are as entitled of a fair trail as any other murderer.

I cannot read the article unfortunately.
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« Reply #6378 on: September 10, 2020, 12:00:00 pm »
Well, it sounds pretty bad from the title.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6379 on: September 10, 2020, 12:10:07 pm »
This is not an uncommon fate for cop killers.
I know I'm being very pedantic by pointing it out, but technically the guy shot a far-right militia person, not a cop.

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6380 on: September 10, 2020, 12:21:50 pm »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?

This is not an uncommon fate for cop killers. Unconstitutional, of course, they are as entitled of a fair trail as any other murderer.

I cannot read the article unfortunately.

He wasn't a cop killer. Let's be clear.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6381 on: September 10, 2020, 12:27:39 pm »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.

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There are few official details about what happened next. At least four members of the task force, which included officers from a variety of local agencies, fired dozens of times at Reinoehl; the U.S. Marshals Service later said he had a handgun, but it wasn’t clear whether he had ever fired it at police.

The first article wasn't exactly correct. US Marshals and "a variety of local agencies".
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6382 on: September 10, 2020, 12:33:32 pm »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?

So I understand the reluctance of people to believe what police might say, but two independent witnesses confirmed that the suspect fired first.

Obviously there should be a full investigation (including who was standing where, and what opportunity they had to see anything), but my initial reaction is to have doubts about the allegation that cops straight-up murdered this guy.

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6383 on: September 10, 2020, 01:27:33 pm »
This is not an uncommon fate for cop killers.
I know I'm being very pedantic by pointing it out, but technically the guy shot a far-right militia person, not a cop.

I can't read the article, paywalled, so everything I said might be completely wrong.

Not that that ever stopped me from posting about something :P
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« Reply #6384 on: September 10, 2020, 01:46:23 pm »
Only thing I ever got was a poker chip from a buddy of mine who is a US Marshal.

Was it:  platinum?

Now that you mention it-- yes, yes it was.  I also got shot in the head and had it stolen :hmm:
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6385 on: September 10, 2020, 01:51:10 pm »
Now that you mention it-- yes, yes it was.  I also got shot in the head and had it stolen :hmm:

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6386 on: September 10, 2020, 02:01:26 pm »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?

So I understand the reluctance of people to believe what police might say, but two independent witnesses confirmed that the suspect fired first.

Obviously there should be a full investigation (including who was standing where, and what opportunity they had to see anything), but my initial reaction is to have doubts about the allegation that cops straight-up murdered this guy.

As I said, I'm waiting on the bodycam footage.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6387 on: September 10, 2020, 02:49:31 pm »
This is not an uncommon fate for cop killers.
I know I'm being very pedantic by pointing it out, but technically the guy shot a far-right militia person, not a cop.

I can't read the article, paywalled, so everything I said might be completely wrong.

Not that that ever stopped me from posting about something :P
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6388 on: September 10, 2020, 03:00:14 pm »
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6389 on: September 10, 2020, 03:31:37 pm »
The article said it was US Marshals effecting the arrest, not local PD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/ What are languish’s thoughts on this?

So far, it's one witness saying the cops never announced themselves, and two non-police witnesses saying that the police did.  I'd need more of a balance to the reports to start doubting the witnesses who've been consistent in their stories.

I'm not saying the witness who is dissenting is wrong, mind, just that the preponderance of evidence is against him.  It's also hard to credibly testify that something didn't happen, as opposed to testifying that you didn't see something happen.
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