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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6315 on: September 04, 2020, 10:17:23 am »
yeah make sense I am just worried a general anti-police sentiment will take hold in your country, which would be really detrimental, regardless of how many cruel racist shitheads there are in the force.

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6316 on: September 04, 2020, 10:20:46 am »
Protest-riots have no bearing on whether a cop gets convicted or not.

Agreed, the illegality of the act and the evidence in question should. But that has not been happening so we have protests.

I think this is qualified immunity in action, no? If we think things are bad now let's wait and see how exciting they get when Chauvin gets off.

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6317 on: September 04, 2020, 10:28:32 am »
yeah make sense I am just worried a general anti-police sentiment will take hold in your country, which would be really detrimental, regardless of how many cruel racist shitheads there are in the force.

It is a real problem because the more unpopular the police get in some circles the more they tend to draw their membership entirely from other circles.

But this has been going on for a very long time, there is a reason they ended up wearing body cameras in the first place.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6318 on: September 04, 2020, 10:33:04 am »
yeah make sense I am just worried a general anti-police sentiment will take hold in your country, which would be really detrimental, regardless of how many cruel racist shitheads there are in the force.

Maybe if there were a general anti-police sentiment, there would actually be political will to make changes.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6319 on: September 04, 2020, 01:34:21 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

If that is what happened then the body camera footage would show that is clearly what happened and it would show they are justified. Any killing of an American citizen by the state deserves an investigation no matter how justified it might be claimed to be.

Edit: and hey look there is even a context specific to Portland...

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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6320 on: September 04, 2020, 08:47:41 pm »
Protest-riots have no bearing on whether a cop gets convicted or not.

Protests do, however.  DAs think more seriously about charging criminal cops if they think that the public is watching them and waiting for them to do so.  DAs don't like charging cops (they work with cops all the time), but they even more don't like to fail to be re-elected.  Protests negatively affect their re-election chances.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6321 on: September 04, 2020, 08:52:30 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

So, to put a bit of perspective on this for you...

The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force. They were also working directly with the former Portland Police Bureau Chief (who lost his job because of it). They are in tight with the PPB. When we heard what happened, a bunch of us immediately said, "That guy's dead." Not one of us believed that he would be taken alive given what happened.

I'm not saying that it wasn't justified. I'm just saying that I am interested in seeing the body cam footage. Maybe the guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory and the police will be found to be 100% in the right. I'm just saying that I'm not in the least bit surprised that the man is now dead.

How do the Portland Police mind-control the police in Olympia, Washington?

I agree that its no surprise that the guy went out in a blaze of glory, given the way he talked.  But I think that he'd have gone down the same way if he'd murdered someone in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6322 on: September 04, 2020, 09:03:30 pm »
It is a real problem because the more unpopular the police get in some circles the more they tend to draw their membership entirely from other circles.

But this has been going on for a very long time, there is a reason they ended up wearing body cameras in the first place.

You'd think that honest cops would be the people most anxious to see all of this murder by police end.  No beat cop benefited when Freddy Grey was murdered by cops in Baltimore in 2015.  But they've all suffered from the loss of credibility and cooperation from the residents of the city. 
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6323 on: September 05, 2020, 06:12:02 pm »
yeah make sense I am just worried a general anti-police sentiment will take hold in your country, which would be really detrimental, regardless of how many cruel racist shitheads there are in the force.

Maybe if there were a general anti-police sentiment, there would actually be political will to make changes.
yeah, that's what happenned in the USSR under Staline.  There was a general anti-police and anti-kgb sentiment that lead to change.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6324 on: September 05, 2020, 06:15:58 pm »
yeah make sense I am just worried a general anti-police sentiment will take hold in your country, which would be really detrimental, regardless of how many cruel racist shitheads there are in the force.

Maybe if there were a general anti-police sentiment, there would actually be political will to make changes.
yeah, that's what happenned in the USSR under Staline.  There was a general anti-police and anti-kgb sentiment that lead to change.

Was the change you are referring to the creation of the KGB, which did not exist in Stalin's USSR? :hmm:
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6325 on: September 05, 2020, 06:21:20 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

So, to put a bit of perspective on this for you...

The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force. They were also working directly with the former Portland Police Bureau Chief (who lost his job because of it). They are in tight with the PPB. When we heard what happened, a bunch of us immediately said, "That guy's dead." Not one of us believed that he would be taken alive given what happened.

I'm not saying that it wasn't justified. I'm just saying that I am interested in seeing the body cam footage. Maybe the guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory and the police will be found to be 100% in the right. I'm just saying that I'm not in the least bit surprised that the man is now dead.

How do the Portland Police mind-control the police in Olympia, Washington?

I agree that its no surprise that the guy went out in a blaze of glory, given the way he talked.  But I think that he'd have gone down the same way if he'd murdered someone in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

I don't think anyone was "mind-controlled". However, the Patriot Prayer group isn't just in Portland. :)
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6326 on: September 05, 2020, 07:41:05 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

So, to put a bit of perspective on this for you...

The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force. They were also working directly with the former Portland Police Bureau Chief (who lost his job because of it). They are in tight with the PPB. When we heard what happened, a bunch of us immediately said, "That guy's dead." Not one of us believed that he would be taken alive given what happened.

I'm not saying that it wasn't justified. I'm just saying that I am interested in seeing the body cam footage. Maybe the guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory and the police will be found to be 100% in the right. I'm just saying that I'm not in the least bit surprised that the man is now dead.

How do the Portland Police mind-control the police in Olympia, Washington?

I agree that its no surprise that the guy went out in a blaze of glory, given the way he talked.  But I think that he'd have gone down the same way if he'd murdered someone in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

I don't think anyone was "mind-controlled". However, the Patriot Prayer group isn't just in Portland. :)

But the PPB, the actors in your scenario, do just exist in Portland, right?  :)
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6327 on: September 05, 2020, 09:43:45 pm »
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6328 on: September 05, 2020, 11:04:42 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

So, to put a bit of perspective on this for you...

The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force. They were also working directly with the former Portland Police Bureau Chief (who lost his job because of it). They are in tight with the PPB. When we heard what happened, a bunch of us immediately said, "That guy's dead." Not one of us believed that he would be taken alive given what happened.

I'm not saying that it wasn't justified. I'm just saying that I am interested in seeing the body cam footage. Maybe the guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory and the police will be found to be 100% in the right. I'm just saying that I'm not in the least bit surprised that the man is now dead.

How do the Portland Police mind-control the police in Olympia, Washington?

I agree that its no surprise that the guy went out in a blaze of glory, given the way he talked.  But I think that he'd have gone down the same way if he'd murdered someone in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

I don't think anyone was "mind-controlled". However, the Patriot Prayer group isn't just in Portland. :)

But the PPB, the actors in your scenario, do just exist in Portland, right?  :)

I actually said,  "The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force."  I'm sorry you assumed I meant just in Portland, or specifically just PPB. I didn't.
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Re: The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD
« Reply #6329 on: September 05, 2020, 11:10:21 pm »
It'll be interesting to see the body camera footage on this arrest.

God forbid they opted to shoot an armed killer who was resisting arrest

So, to put a bit of perspective on this for you...

The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force. They were also working directly with the former Portland Police Bureau Chief (who lost his job because of it). They are in tight with the PPB. When we heard what happened, a bunch of us immediately said, "That guy's dead." Not one of us believed that he would be taken alive given what happened.

I'm not saying that it wasn't justified. I'm just saying that I am interested in seeing the body cam footage. Maybe the guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory and the police will be found to be 100% in the right. I'm just saying that I'm not in the least bit surprised that the man is now dead.

How do the Portland Police mind-control the police in Olympia, Washington?

I agree that its no surprise that the guy went out in a blaze of glory, given the way he talked.  But I think that he'd have gone down the same way if he'd murdered someone in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

I don't think anyone was "mind-controlled". However, the Patriot Prayer group isn't just in Portland. :)

But the PPB, the actors in your scenario, do just exist in Portland, right?  :)

I actually said,  "The Patriot Prayer group has a lot of people in and around the police force."  I'm sorry you assumed I meant just in Portland, or specifically just PPB. I didn't.

That sounds like QAnon level stuff there.
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