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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Syt

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 03, 2013, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on December 03, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
I'm sure the Ukrainian people have had enough of Soviet and/or Russian dominance, and don't want to chance having Russia gain more influence over them, given the directions Russian govt has been going.
I don't know. It's not clear what the majority want. My understanding is Ukraine really is 50-50 on Russia v Europe. I think around 30% of the population speak Russian as their first language after all.

Every election seems to go like this in 2010, with the West generally backing pro-EU candidates and the East pro-Russia ones:


Indeed. Personally, I think the best long term solution would be to give the East to Russia and be done with it.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Tonitrus


dps

Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2013, 09:09:15 AM

I roomed with a German guy in France and he openly said he would not join the military or resist even if the US had invaded with the intent of forcing every German into slavery. 

I smell an opportunity.

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on December 03, 2013, 09:05:31 AM
Quote from: KRonn on December 03, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
I'm sure the Ukrainian people have had enough of Soviet and/or Russian dominance, and don't want to chance having Russia gain more influence over them, given the directions Russian govt has been going.
I'm not so sure.

Oh what do you know, it's not like you were born there. :rolleyes:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Queequeg

Quote from: Syt on December 03, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 03, 2013, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on December 03, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
I'm sure the Ukrainian people have had enough of Soviet and/or Russian dominance, and don't want to chance having Russia gain more influence over them, given the directions Russian govt has been going.
I don't know. It's not clear what the majority want. My understanding is Ukraine really is 50-50 on Russia v Europe. I think around 30% of the population speak Russian as their first language after all.

Every election seems to go like this in 2010, with the West generally backing pro-EU candidates and the East pro-Russia ones:


Indeed. Personally, I think the best long term solution would be to give the East to Russia and be done with it.
It's kind of hilarious how closely that models the boundaries between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Muscovites, Cossacks and Tatars.   
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Valmy

And the colors of the Western Party are even red and white. :hmm:



Still tormenting Russia

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

Quote from: Queequeg on December 03, 2013, 04:57:07 PM
It's kind of hilarious how closely that models the boundaries between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Muscovites, Cossacks and Tatars.

Apparently RUssian state media have said that the Ukrainian protests are orchestrated mostly by Sweden, Lithuania and Poland, the age old enemies, who are still butthurt over getting their ass kicked by Peter the Great. Proof: the Swedish prime minister has generals among his ancestors! :lol:
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

DGuller

I remember long time ago some Russian fascist garbage called Khimaira was banned from Paradox directly by Johan.  To be fair, that was a bit of a questionable ban, but that guy went complaining on some Russian forum, and the conclusion among the Russians was that Johan was smarting from the fact that Russia ended Sweden's status as a great power.

Syt

Let me put it this way: I wasn't much surprised that Hortlund was protected on the P'dox forums for as long as he was. ;)
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

jimmy olsen

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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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garbon

Angelic boys? Move on over, Thailand.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Queequeg

It's a sad state of affairs that this is now such a Manichean choice. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Razgovory

Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that this is now such a Manichean choice.

Yeah, what with Hitler and demons as part of the EU now.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that this is now such a Manichean choice.

Would you say he was a: Manichean Candidate?

jimmy olsen

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2013, 02:10:07 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that this is now such a Manichean choice.

Would you say he was a: Manichean Candidate?
:lmfao:
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point